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To: tabsternager

For no reason at all? The Armenians staged a full scale uprising in the middle of a world war, a war the Turks were losing. When you use a war to leverage your rebellion, and fail, bad consequences follow (see Irish, Cromwell). There is no question that thousands of Armenians were killed, many of whom had nothing to do with the insurrection, but “no reason at all” is unsupportable.


12 posted on 08/22/2007 6:19:18 AM PDT by giobruno
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To: giobruno

Oh, yes, I’ve heard that excuse by the Turkish government many times before. “The” Armenians staged a “full-scale uprising,” according to you, who bought the Turkish government’s spin.

My grandmother, who was a young child, her grandmother, who was an old lady, and other relatives, many children, many old, all civilians — all in the death march.

Oh, sure, they were a real threat.

Hitler saw the Jews as a “threat” too. I guess that must mean the Jews were at least partly responsible for the Holocaust too, according to your logic? After all, some of them staged riots too.


18 posted on 08/22/2007 6:31:42 AM PDT by tabsternager
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To: giobruno; tabsternager
For no reason at all? The Armenians staged a full scale uprising in the middle of a world war, a war the Turks were losing.

(1) The Armenians did not stage a "full-scale uprising" of any description.

What a ridiculous claim. Even the anti-Armenian Turkish propaganda at the time didn't make such preposterous assertions.

(2) The Turks were not losing the war in May of 1915 when they began deporting and slaughtering Armenians. In fact, the Turks began the genocide one month after their great victory over the British and French forces at Gallipoli. The genocide began at the high tide of Turkish military success.

When you use a war to leverage your rebellion, and fail, bad consequences follow (see Irish, Cromwell).

The Irish were loyal to their king, Charles I, who had been illegally deposed by the rebel Cromwell, an illegitimate dictator. This is perhaps the worst analogy in the world.

There is no question that thousands of Armenians were killed, many of whom had nothing to do with the insurrection, but “no reason at all” is unsupportable.

Thousands? Hundreds of thousands at the very least. And again, there was no insurrection - the official Turkish excuse was that the Turkish invasion of Armenia failed because the Armenians living in Turkey were not enthusiastic enough in supplying the troops who were killing their fellow Armenians and not enthusiastic enough in volunteering to kill their fellow Armenians.

24 posted on 08/22/2007 6:41:55 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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