Posted on 08/27/2007 1:37:39 PM PDT by BnBlFlag
And that view is borne out by the farce of the immediate postwar Black Codes produced by the ex-slaveowning drones of the plantaion class who were largely responsible for the secession madness in the first place.
You said it all, man.
The Union stronghold of the state was mainly East Tennessee. But I know beyond any doubt quite a few Confederate fighters including a Sevier County General came out of Sevier County. The people who settled the area Will Thomas was operating in had a significant amount of Confederate support. Some were likely his family lineage. I know it because I know the genealogy of one of the first families in that area. There were stronger sympathies to the north on the other side of the valley toward the Cumberland's but pockets of support that varied county to county in East Tennessee.
But as for the web site? It only makes sense it would have Confederate history as Tennessee was CSA. There were Tennessee hero's on both sides however some can not stand for Confederate ones to be looked upon in a positive light no matter how brilliant their actions were.
The main Union strong hold that was in East Tennessee was primarily Knoxville and north. The areas in East Tennessee south of Knoxville including Sevier County had plantations and others near the mountains. Out of those mountains came the Mountain Rebels. Some were from among the oldest families to settle in east Tennessee.
If I go to a web site on say Illinois history I would expect to read in it's history how heroic the Union Armies were. I would expect no less going to a website on a southern former CSA state to see the heroics of the armies of the CSA. BTW The article I linked in question was the only Confederate unit to negotiate their surrender at the end of the war that got to keep their weapons and go home with them in hand. That speaks volumes for their abilities as fighters. One Confederate General as well from middle Tennessee was so brilliant his skills on the Battlefield are still studied.
I didn't appreciate the skills until I began reading about such units. They earned the respect of both their own CSA commanders and fear and respect of the northern armies.
East Tennessee Confederates oppressed Unionist sympathizers, and East Tennessee Unionists, in turn, oppressed Confederates when they were in power. Oppression was not quite so one-sided as your posts might suggest.
Bad Unionist behavior against former East Tennessee Confederates continued after the war was over when peace should have reigned. For example, [Source: Richmond (Va) Dispatch, December 9, 1865]:
Returned Confederates and negroes Butchered.
Philadelphia, December 8.
--The New York Tribune this morning says that East Tennessee Unionists have been permitted by a weak and worthless Union General Commanding, and a reverend blackguard styled Governor, to butcher not less than one hundred rebels and negroes in and around Knoxville since June last. Greeley says Tennessee has many staunch Unionists, but, nevertheless, is a pandemonium of passion and crime, and no more fit to self-government than Dahomey.
The December 11 issue of the Dispatch gave more details of the Tribune article:
Tennessee Loyalty.--The telegraph has informed us that the bill allowing blacks to testify in the courts of Tennessee, which passed the Senate by ten to nine, has been defeated in the House by thirty to twenty-seven--the East Tennessee Unionists generally opposing, while many of the ex-rebels supported it. This is what we had been led to expect. Those East Tennessee Unionists have been permitted, by a weak and worthless Union general commanding, and a reverend blackguard, who is styled Governor, to murder two or three negroes to balance each of the paroled and returned rebel soldiers whom they have seen fit likewise to dispatch, until they have good reason to deprecate the admission of negro testimony; for it would hang hundreds of them if there was any semblance of law or justice in that region. According to our information, not less than a hundred rebels and negroes have thus been butchered since June last in and around Knoxville alone; and there will, of course, be more if the strong hand of authority be not stretched over them.
cva66snipe mentioned the term, Mountain Rebels. There is an excellent book of that title, Mountain Rebels, East Tennessee Confederates and the Civil War, 1860-1870. This book says [pages 145-147, paperback version]:
Now that they had the upper hand, the Radical-Unionist-Whigs were just as determined to solidify their political domination of the region by completely suppressing their old political opponents as had been the Confederate-Secessionist-Democrats when they were in control.
That book is how I learned about the term. I was doing some genealogy look ups for my wife. One of her uncles four or five generations back was one of them. Likely one of the more controversial ones too LOL. My family was from the other side of the valley toward the Clinch and Powell rivers. They were Union.
No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.
It is clearly intended to keep the individual States from conducting their own foreign policy.
I did mistype, I meant CURSE.
Bless your heart- it took courage to admit that publicly ;o)
Bwahahahahahahaha - Tennessee Unionists were not the saints that some portray them to be. Sounds like they were members of a klan.
There were pro-reb pockets to the south of Knoxville like Monroe County. (Polk voted for secession also, but there's a strong opinion that the vote in Polk was rigged) But you also had counties like Bradley which were generally relative hotbeds for Unionism and violence between the two sides.
I noticed a mention of Sevier County. Sevier was as Unionist of an area as any. The vote against secession in the second election was 1528 to 60.
I appreciate the mention of the books. If y'all are interested in a view from the other side, I recommend Hurlburt's 1866 history of the Civil War in Bradley County. The author was an Indiana man who was located in Bradley in the last months of the war. The guy was obviously a Radical Republican by the way he praises the policies of people like Fremont. His view from the other side as to the legitimacy of the Tennessee secession process is also interesting. And if you had relatives in Bradley back then, he has an extensive division of the sheep and goats, a listing of the Union and Confederate citizens of Bradley County.
No, that would be the west central Tennessee confederate strongholds. Pulaski is south and west of Nashville.
I don't know about that. Majority white areas like Knoxville and Maryville were electing black aldermen at the same time the ex-Confederates saw fit to build up their KKK for "self-protection".
otoh, as the "members" of the "DAMNyankee coven" are mostly DUMB-bunnies & HATERS, perhaps they don't qualify as PEOPLE.
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otoh, sadly i must tell you that we have PLENTY of idiots, who are homegrown in dixie.
we need no outside idiots/bigots/leftists/REVISIONISTS/fools.
fwiw, "the DC metro area" (with which i am intimately familiar) is NOT dixie. we southrons call northern VA, "yankee-occupied Virginia". once you cross the Prince William County line, you are IN dixie.
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perhaps you think we should do NOTHING (or as the northeastern LEFTISTS say, RETREAT & SURRENDER to our enemies!!!) when our enemies NOW "go back on" their promises???
while i would NOT have done so (had i been in charge that day), firing on the fort was "appropriate" as "a response to AGGRESSION", though "ILL-advised", strategically.
btw, speaking of the LEFTIST/SOCIALIST northeast, IF the southland seceded NOW, we wouldn't have to fight, as the northeast is NOW "sissified" to the point that a "dear friend" in CT is planning to come SOUTH to look for a MANLY husband!!! (A___________ says all the single men she meets in her profession are "gay" or "metrosexuals", who are about as feminine as she is!!!)
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btw, bubba's "current story" is that he was "Heyworth, the BIGOT", who was PERMANENTLY BANNED for being a "general all-around creep".
i, otoh, believe that he is more likely "modernman", who was BANNED for "cyberstalking" other FReepers & posting their REAL NAMES, addresses & phone numbers on LEFTIST websites. (whoever he REALLY was/IS, your "bubby" is a CREEP , a SERIAL LIAR & a FOOL.)
lincoln the TYRANT was a STONE RACIST, who hated/feared ALL "persons of colour", Jews, Quakers & anyone else who was NOT white.
i also KNOW that you will NEVER admit that your "clay-footed, secular saint lincoln of DAMNyankeeland" was anything like the HATE-filled, CHEAP, scheming, shyster, lawyer/politician that he REALLY was. (lincoln & wee willie klintoon were TWO of the SAME kind.)
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"whisky papa", "heyworth" & "modernman" are easy to remember the names of, but therte have been MANY others, who USED to be FReepers. (fwiw, we "good old rebs" have "lost" one member (nolo chan), who was BANNED for QUOTING lincoln in his own words!!!
you & i have "known each other", on this site, for a long while;thus i believe that you are EMBARRASSED at the "garbage, lunatics & haters" that "your side" includes, as whatever else you are, you're neither stupid nor a bigot.
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LOL It's nothing to be ashamed of. One of her ancestors also fought beside Old Hickory and served under him very high rank. There were a couple of Generals in her family one a Westpoint grad who's classmates were ones such as Longstreet, Grant, Bragg, etc. Her family was among the first to settle what is now Sevier County and friends of John Sevier himself.
I wonder what the first one was? Seriously there were plantations in Sevier County.
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