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Papers Please: Arrested At Circuit City (Donations welcome, the ACLU will get most of it)
MichaelRighi.com ^ | September 2nd, 2007 | Michael Righi,

Posted on 09/03/2007 3:19:20 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat

Today was an eventful day. I drove to Cleveland, reunited with my father’s side of the family and got arrested. More on that arrested part to come.

For the labor day weekend my father decided to host a small family reunion. My sister flew in from California and I drove in from Pittsburgh to visit my father, his wife and my little brother and sister. Shortly after arriving we packed the whole family into my father’s Buick and headed off to the grocery store to buy some ingredients to make monkeybread. (It’s my little sister’s birthday today and that was her cute/bizare birthday request.)

Next to the grocery store was a Circuit City. (The Brooklyn, Ohio Circuit City to be exact.) Having forgotten that it was my sister’s birthday I decided to run in and buy her a last minute gift. I settled on Disney’s “Cars” game for the Nintendo Wii. I also needed to purchase a Power Squid surge protector which I paid for separately with my business credit card. As I headed towards the exit doors I passed a gentleman whose name I would later learn is Santura. As I began to walk towards the doors Santura said, “Sir, I need to examine your receipt.” I responded by continuing to walk past him while saying, “No thank you.”

As I walked through the double doors I heard Santura yelling for his manager behind me. My father and the family had the Buick pulled up waiting for me outside the doors to Circuit City. I opened the door and got into the back seat while Santura and his manager, whose name I have since learned is Joe Atha, came running up to the vehicle.

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To: antiRepublicrat

The main purpose of checking the receipt is to stop employee theft. Cashiers fail to actually scan items and just bag them. Rather than assume the responsibility of monitoring the cashiers they place the burden on their customer.

I’ve had Best Buy security do this. They watched me buy two DVDs and walk to the exit. There they asked for the receipt.

A tactic that seems to get the message across is to return the items. Talking to the managers is a waste of time until they see sales reversed because of their asinine policy.


51 posted on 09/03/2007 3:46:19 PM PDT by driftdiver
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To: goldstategop

Agreed.


52 posted on 09/03/2007 3:46:22 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: Tafts Ghost
The guy paid with a credit card, right in front of the guy who tried to stop him from leaving the store.

Really?

53 posted on 09/03/2007 3:47:16 PM PDT by Petronski (Cleveland Indians: Pennant -20)
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To: All

So nice to see all of the sheep that commented on this thread.

If ever it comes down to a real fight, please don’t pick my foxhole to sit in. I want to know someone is going to be there when the going gets tough.


54 posted on 09/03/2007 3:47:34 PM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.)
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To: nicmarlo

I was serious. What if the ACLU is setting these up for fundraisers?


55 posted on 09/03/2007 3:47:41 PM PDT by listenhillary (millions crippled by the war on poverty....but we won't pull out)
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To: crazyshrink
Relating the request for a driver’s license to driving in this case is misguided.

Demanding he produce anything to the officer is more than misguided; that, in itself, was against the law. The law states that a citizen must only provide a name, address, and date of birth. When operating a motor vehicle, then the officer has the right to demand a driver's license.

56 posted on 09/03/2007 3:48:00 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: flashbunny

My thought as well.


57 posted on 09/03/2007 3:48:15 PM PDT by Michael.SF. ("The military Mission has long since been accomplished" -- Harry Reid, April 23, 2007)
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To: ThisLittleLightofMine

Walmart is notorious for this and yeah it pisses me off.

I suppose they have to do it and my response could be...well I could just refuse to shop there.

As this guy could have done.


58 posted on 09/03/2007 4:16:36 PM PDT by Fishtalk (http://patfish.blogspot.com)
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To: driftdiver

“”They watched me buy two DVDs and walk to the exit. There they asked for the receipt.
A tactic that seems to get the message across is to return the items. “”


That is a very civilized and effective response.


59 posted on 09/03/2007 4:16:50 PM PDT by ansel12 (First, cut off them off from jobs, benefits and other fruits of our society, Feed attrition.)
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To: edcoil

Ditto. I have been stopped at the local Wal-Mart before and checked,and it’s a two-second process.Not a big deal. I don’t mind,if it cuts down on theft and helps keep prices down.


60 posted on 09/03/2007 4:21:25 PM PDT by gimme1ibertee (God rides a Harley (when his Honda VTX is in the shop!))
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To: ansel12

“That is a very civilized and effective response.”

This policy pisses me off. Mostly because the attitude is that you are a shiplifter until you prove your innocence. Rarely are the security folks polite beyond the forced ‘excuse me’. They make you feel like a criminal and thats something that offends me. Especially when it comes from someone I just paid money too.


61 posted on 09/03/2007 4:29:09 PM PDT by driftdiver
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To: gimme1ibertee

At Costco they always quickly check my receipt against purchased items and then put a squiggly line through the receipt. There’s no way they check everything in my basket. I asked why they did this. It seems certain people will buy a bunch of stuff, go out to their car and unload, come right back in, load the same stuff into a cart and walk out with the same receipt. It was a two fer one sale everyday.


62 posted on 09/03/2007 4:30:03 PM PDT by bubbacluck
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To: All
OK Guys, I'll make the call on this one.


63 posted on 09/03/2007 4:32:59 PM PDT by Chuck54
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To: antiRepublicrat
Like it or night, I believe that the SCOTUS has ruled that when a police officer demands ID, you have to present it, otherwise you can be arrested. I seem to recall reading about a case like that here on FR.

And if you do business with a store, it seems to me that they have the right to inspect what you bring in with you, or what you leave with. Of course, that policy should be stated up front, so that you can decide if you want to comply with that policy. If you enter and shop, then you agree. If you don't agree, then keep out, and take your business elsewhere.

Mark

64 posted on 09/03/2007 4:33:37 PM PDT by MarkL (Listen, Strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government)
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To: antiRepublicrat

The way most retail theft laws seem to be written, he has little or no recourse. You are guilty until proven innocent and if you blow through the checkpoint, you are subject to arrest. It is certainly that way in Florida FS 812.015(3). If you set off the anthitheft device, be it the tag sensor or a video surveil, you cannot claim false arrest. We are all presumed guilty because the (*%(&^ clerk didn’t swipe the Prilosec over that spot on the checkout. There is no penalty on the stores so why worry about training?


65 posted on 09/03/2007 4:36:13 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Brian J. Marotta, 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub, (1948-2007) Rest In Peace, our FRiend)
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To: aft_lizard
"... this dude is an ass and deserves what he gets..."

When exactly did it become illegal to be "an ass"?

Be careful what you ask for. Sooner or later, someone might decide you're "an ass". Hate to see you end up in jail for it.
66 posted on 09/03/2007 4:36:53 PM PDT by conservativeharleyguy (Technically, we are all Republicans.)
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To: antiRepublicrat

Find another wind mill.


67 posted on 09/03/2007 4:39:09 PM PDT by verity (Muhammed and Harry Reid are Dirt Bags)
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To: Lancey Howard

you nailed it. this guy is/was a complete jerk.


68 posted on 09/03/2007 4:39:55 PM PDT by bobby.223 (q)
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To: edcoil
You cannot leave Fry’s without a bag check either.

Sure you can...They ask, and you can just walk by. Nothing requires you to stop.

69 posted on 09/03/2007 4:41:16 PM PDT by Wheee The People (Go FRed)
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To: Leatherneck_MT

“please don’t pick my foxhole to sit in. I want to know someone is going to be there when the going gets tough.”

I got your back dude. If someone ever demands to see your receipt in a fox hole, I’ll go down swinging...heh.


70 posted on 09/03/2007 4:41:18 PM PDT by Borian (Don't mess with Texas...)
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To: Blennos

You’re just siding with the man, trying to keep the little guy down!


71 posted on 09/03/2007 4:41:47 PM PDT by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! See Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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To: driftdiver
The main purpose of checking the receipt is to stop employee theft.

This is a good point... I once worked at a pharmacy and it turned out that there was a ring of cashiers who had people they knew coming in and buying lots of cosmetics, but they only actually rang up about 1 in 5 of them. It seems that they had a pretty good "flea market" deal going.

Mark

72 posted on 09/03/2007 4:42:00 PM PDT by MarkL (Listen, Strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government)
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To: verity
Find another wind mill.

I'll give that remark a hearty, AMEN.

On second thought, I might just better give it a hearty second that motion. Might be some ACLU types on this thread. Might hell!

At the risk of being yelled at, this is so much BS.

73 posted on 09/03/2007 4:42:08 PM PDT by Chuck54
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To: driftdiver

“”This policy pisses me off.””


I understand how many people don’t see the problem with this quick search of their stuff, but they should understand that there are many of us that just have a different make up.

Since I won’t allow my self to be searched by store employees, it is lucky for me that the issue never comes up.

Sometimes seeing other people searched, but me passing with only eye contact and a nod, or even eye avoidance on their part, it makes me wonder about how the world works.

Did you know that studies of muggings have shown that some are ignored by muggers, while others are repeat victims.


74 posted on 09/03/2007 4:42:20 PM PDT by ansel12 (First, cut off them off from jobs, benefits and other fruits of our society, Feed attrition.)
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To: MarkL

You are incorect, you have to identify yourself (Full Name, Address, DOB), you are not required to furnish a D/L. Cop was over the line, but nothing will come of it. To avoid a suit the Dept may well support the vic, and CC will get nothing from grief from the cops for some time to come.

Local CC management screwed up big time, and there will be consequences (firings, vics lawyers fees, etc). The Dad should file the complaint since he was not involved in the bogus merchandise issue, so that can not be held against him.

Truth be told I have no respect for most lost prevention types and regularly slap them down...something about wannabe rambos interfering with my rights brings out the worst in me.


75 posted on 09/03/2007 4:42:45 PM PDT by Starwolf
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To: I still care
Whenever I've been asked by a third party to show my receipt, and it's not clear that ANYONE is actually assigned that duty, I simply refuse ~ walk back into the star ~ go to customer services and demand a refund.

End of story.

76 posted on 09/03/2007 4:43:45 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

That tactic should work.

Problem is we have many on this threat that have read the Constitution and found the clause, “A right to not be offended”.

Life is too freakin short to spend even 5 minutes being concerned about being offended.

Suck it up, forge ahead. Shop somewhere else, quit paying shyster lawyers to defend your “right” to not be offended.

Sheesh!


77 posted on 09/03/2007 4:46:54 PM PDT by Chuck54
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To: crazyshrink
Cops have a right to check a suspicious person’s ID.

Not in that state, according to law (unless you're driving, of course). Besides, he's the one who called the cops, and the cop searched his bag and found no shoplifted merchandise. The employees were the suspicious persons, as they were in the middle of committing the crime that caused a citizen to dial 911. They should have been arrested, not him. He does deserve a "royal jackass" award though.

He was stopped outside the store on suspicion. If he was in the store, he has plausible deniabilty.

He was stopped inside the store after checking out, but left. There wasn't necessarily suspicion of shoplifting initially, as he came from the register, and these stores have a habit of doing random checks.

78 posted on 09/03/2007 4:47:43 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat

FGS, just buy it on the internet. No bag checks, no hassles, no chance of being arrested for evading a bag check. Are we just looking for reasons to bitch and complain?


79 posted on 09/03/2007 4:51:02 PM PDT by small voice in the wilderness ( Bumper sticker idea: Hillary/Obama Nation '08. Let the desolation begin)
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To: Jay777

PING


80 posted on 09/03/2007 4:53:54 PM PDT by freema (Proud Marine Niece, Daughter, Wife, Friend, Sister, Aunt, Cousin, Mother, and FRiend)
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To: MarkL
Like it or night, I believe that the SCOTUS has ruled that when a police officer demands ID, you have to present it, otherwise you can be arrested. I seem to recall reading about a case like that here on FR.

I remember that case, but I don't remember the specifics. I do remember he had been driving a car just before, or had been in the driver's seat or something. In any case, as mentioned, Ohio state law specifically states he doesn't have to show it. The law in the precedent was probably different.

81 posted on 09/03/2007 4:55:02 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat

Walmart and Best Buy check your receipt at the door; you know that going in.

If you don’t like it, don’t go in.

See how simple that is?


82 posted on 09/03/2007 4:55:08 PM PDT by Redbob
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To: goldstategop

He was “arrested” as soon as the store stopped him from leaving. Not only was he arrested but so was his father when they stopped him from leaving and blocked his car. He might have a good false arrest claim against the store. That said the guy is a jerk.


83 posted on 09/03/2007 4:58:04 PM PDT by airedale ( XZ)
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To: I still care

“I have no problem letting the store check my receipts...”

I do have a problem with this. If they think I am shoplifting, let them charge me. If you are a member of Sam’s or Costco or other similar membership shopping clubs, you have given them the right to check your cart against your receipt. Otherwise, no.

Sue Circuit City, the perps who were the two employees involved, the cop and the city of Brocklyn, Ohio for false arrest.


84 posted on 09/03/2007 4:58:48 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea
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To: Chuck54

I think we need to separate the issues here.

A lot of people don’t like being searched, but we all seem to agree that the answer is just to not shop there — certainly don’t shop there and then complain. May I suggest the small privately-owned stores where you never get searched if you walk from the cash register out the door. You generally get better service at such places anyway.

The issues here to me are: “Papers, please,” false arrest and unlawful detainment. Even the rights of a jackass can be violated.


85 posted on 09/03/2007 5:01:35 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Redbob
See how simple that is?

Too simple for some people, apparently.

86 posted on 09/03/2007 5:03:15 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat

LOL this bozo should be charged for falsely calling 911 if nothing else. Your cries the CC employees were at fault instead are hilarious, as well as a perfect insight to how a liberal mind works.


87 posted on 09/03/2007 5:06:44 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Redbob

“”Walmart and Best Buy check your receipt at the door; you know that going in.””


They only check some people, Walmart for instance has never checked my bags. ever.


88 posted on 09/03/2007 5:12:26 PM PDT by ansel12 (First, cut off them off from jobs, benefits and other fruits of our society, Feed attrition.)
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To: Redbob
BTW, related story, this time at Tiger Direct. Turns out this is more common that I thought. The article hints that unless you're a club member with a signed contract, like Sam's, they have no ability to force you to show a receipt.
89 posted on 09/03/2007 5:13:16 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Golden Eagle
I just had to see what you were spewing and as usual the facts stand against you:

Ohio Revised Statutes

2905.03 Unlawful restraint.

(A) No person, without privilege to do so, shall knowingly restrain another of his liberty.

(B) Whoever violates this section is guilty of unlawful restraint, a misdemeanor of the third degree.

Effective Date: 01-01-1974

They employees were clearly guilty of this crime for not allowing him to leave the parking lot. Plus they unlawfully restrained his father and siblings. They should have been arrested. The jackass in question was guilty of no crime, but was arrested. As the manager I wouldn't let him back in the store though.
90 posted on 09/03/2007 5:18:00 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat

There’s an old cop saying when dealing with jerks like this, - “You may beat the rap but you won’t beat the ride”. It means that if you are going to be an ass the cop can seriously screw up your night. Even if he can’t make a charge stick, you still lose.


91 posted on 09/03/2007 5:19:30 PM PDT by joebuck
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To: antiRepublicrat

When Best Buy asked my friend for his receipt,
I remained silent;
I did not shop at Best Buy

When they asked for my father’s receipt at Office Depot,
I remained silent;
I did not shop at Office Depot.

When they asked to look in my brother’s bag at WalMart,
I did not speak out;
I was busy trying to get a lobster harmonica out of the claw machine.

When Circuit City asked ME for my receipt,
I got the ACLU to help me sue them.


92 posted on 09/03/2007 5:20:32 PM PDT by james500
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To: liege
At Costco they always quickly check my receipt against purchased items and then put a squiggly line through the receipt. There’s no way they check everything in my basket. I asked why they did this. It seems certain people will buy a bunch of stuff, go out to their car and unload, come right back in, load the same stuff into a cart and walk out with the same receipt. It was a two fer one sale everyday.

See post #62.

I live in Ohio and have been in that CC store a number of times. They do the receipt checking at Home Depot all the time. The guy who marks the receipt often is standing right there watching the whole transaction. This means they don't trust their cashiers.

Sometimes the checker is not at the register but they never look in the bag. I have had my receipt marked a number of times but I have rarely if ever had anyone actually look in my bag. They just want to mark the receipt.

At BJs they make the appearance of checking the 125 items in my two shopping carts full, but it is just a show.

93 posted on 09/03/2007 5:20:35 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: edcoil

You can’t with Walmart either.


94 posted on 09/03/2007 5:21:45 PM PDT by freekitty (May the eagles long fly over our beautiful and free American sky.)
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To: antiRepublicrat

The police on the scene already charged this idiot instead, hopefully a charge for improperly paging 911will be tacked on as well.

So who changed the title of the thread, you in search of donations for the ACLU, or the moderator to show how ridiculous you look?


95 posted on 09/03/2007 5:23:43 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: driftdiver

Is this a scam so that this guy can get money for himself or the ACLU?


96 posted on 09/03/2007 5:25:02 PM PDT by freekitty (May the eagles long fly over our beautiful and free American sky.)
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To: freekitty

“”You can’t with Walmart either.””


That just isn’t true.


97 posted on 09/03/2007 5:26:16 PM PDT by ansel12 (First, cut off them off from jobs, benefits and other fruits of our society, Feed attrition.)
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To: ansel12

What isn’t true?


98 posted on 09/03/2007 5:27:15 PM PDT by freekitty (May the eagles long fly over our beautiful and free American sky.)
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To: antiRepublicrat

If this a-hole prefers to shop where his package will not be checked against proof of purchase, he is free to go elswhere. The rest of us don’t mind helping in the war against shoplifting. A pox on him.


99 posted on 09/03/2007 5:28:34 PM PDT by gcruse (...now I have to feed the dog as if nothing has happened.)
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To: freekitty

From his site:

“Q: How do I know this isn’t a scam to raise money?
A: You don’t. However, I urge you to learn about my reputation by reading these articles. Article #1, Article #2, Article #3.”


100 posted on 09/03/2007 5:29:36 PM PDT by james500
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