Skip to comments.Papers Please: Arrested At Circuit City (Donations welcome, the ACLU will get most of it)
Posted on 09/03/2007 3:19:20 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
Today was an eventful day. I drove to Cleveland, reunited with my fathers side of the family and got arrested. More on that arrested part to come.
For the labor day weekend my father decided to host a small family reunion. My sister flew in from California and I drove in from Pittsburgh to visit my father, his wife and my little brother and sister. Shortly after arriving we packed the whole family into my fathers Buick and headed off to the grocery store to buy some ingredients to make monkeybread. (Its my little sisters birthday today and that was her cute/bizare birthday request.)
Next to the grocery store was a Circuit City. (The Brooklyn, Ohio Circuit City to be exact.) Having forgotten that it was my sisters birthday I decided to run in and buy her a last minute gift. I settled on Disneys Cars game for the Nintendo Wii. I also needed to purchase a Power Squid surge protector which I paid for separately with my business credit card. As I headed towards the exit doors I passed a gentleman whose name I would later learn is Santura. As I began to walk towards the doors Santura said, Sir, I need to examine your receipt. I responded by continuing to walk past him while saying, No thank you.
As I walked through the double doors I heard Santura yelling for his manager behind me. My father and the family had the Buick pulled up waiting for me outside the doors to Circuit City. I opened the door and got into the back seat while Santura and his manager, whose name I have since learned is Joe Atha, came running up to the vehicle.
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The main purpose of checking the receipt is to stop employee theft. Cashiers fail to actually scan items and just bag them. Rather than assume the responsibility of monitoring the cashiers they place the burden on their customer.
I’ve had Best Buy security do this. They watched me buy two DVDs and walk to the exit. There they asked for the receipt.
A tactic that seems to get the message across is to return the items. Talking to the managers is a waste of time until they see sales reversed because of their asinine policy.
So nice to see all of the sheep that commented on this thread.
If ever it comes down to a real fight, please don’t pick my foxhole to sit in. I want to know someone is going to be there when the going gets tough.
I was serious. What if the ACLU is setting these up for fundraisers?
Demanding he produce anything to the officer is more than misguided; that, in itself, was against the law. The law states that a citizen must only provide a name, address, and date of birth. When operating a motor vehicle, then the officer has the right to demand a driver's license.
My thought as well.
Walmart is notorious for this and yeah it pisses me off.
I suppose they have to do it and my response could be...well I could just refuse to shop there.
As this guy could have done.
“”They watched me buy two DVDs and walk to the exit. There they asked for the receipt.
A tactic that seems to get the message across is to return the items. “”
That is a very civilized and effective response.
Ditto. I have been stopped at the local Wal-Mart before and checked,and it’s a two-second process.Not a big deal. I don’t mind,if it cuts down on theft and helps keep prices down.
“That is a very civilized and effective response.”
This policy pisses me off. Mostly because the attitude is that you are a shiplifter until you prove your innocence. Rarely are the security folks polite beyond the forced ‘excuse me’. They make you feel like a criminal and thats something that offends me. Especially when it comes from someone I just paid money too.
At Costco they always quickly check my receipt against purchased items and then put a squiggly line through the receipt. There’s no way they check everything in my basket. I asked why they did this. It seems certain people will buy a bunch of stuff, go out to their car and unload, come right back in, load the same stuff into a cart and walk out with the same receipt. It was a two fer one sale everyday.
And if you do business with a store, it seems to me that they have the right to inspect what you bring in with you, or what you leave with. Of course, that policy should be stated up front, so that you can decide if you want to comply with that policy. If you enter and shop, then you agree. If you don't agree, then keep out, and take your business elsewhere.
The way most retail theft laws seem to be written, he has little or no recourse. You are guilty until proven innocent and if you blow through the checkpoint, you are subject to arrest. It is certainly that way in Florida FS 812.015(3). If you set off the anthitheft device, be it the tag sensor or a video surveil, you cannot claim false arrest. We are all presumed guilty because the (*%(&^ clerk didn’t swipe the Prilosec over that spot on the checkout. There is no penalty on the stores so why worry about training?
Find another wind mill.
you nailed it. this guy is/was a complete jerk.
Sure you can...They ask, and you can just walk by. Nothing requires you to stop.
“please dont pick my foxhole to sit in. I want to know someone is going to be there when the going gets tough.”
I got your back dude. If someone ever demands to see your receipt in a fox hole, I’ll go down swinging...heh.
You’re just siding with the man, trying to keep the little guy down!
This is a good point... I once worked at a pharmacy and it turned out that there was a ring of cashiers who had people they knew coming in and buying lots of cosmetics, but they only actually rang up about 1 in 5 of them. It seems that they had a pretty good "flea market" deal going.
I'll give that remark a hearty, AMEN.
On second thought, I might just better give it a hearty second that motion. Might be some ACLU types on this thread. Might hell!
At the risk of being yelled at, this is so much BS.
“”This policy pisses me off.””
I understand how many people don’t see the problem with this quick search of their stuff, but they should understand that there are many of us that just have a different make up.
Since I won’t allow my self to be searched by store employees, it is lucky for me that the issue never comes up.
Sometimes seeing other people searched, but me passing with only eye contact and a nod, or even eye avoidance on their part, it makes me wonder about how the world works.
Did you know that studies of muggings have shown that some are ignored by muggers, while others are repeat victims.
You are incorect, you have to identify yourself (Full Name, Address, DOB), you are not required to furnish a D/L. Cop was over the line, but nothing will come of it. To avoid a suit the Dept may well support the vic, and CC will get nothing from grief from the cops for some time to come.
Local CC management screwed up big time, and there will be consequences (firings, vics lawyers fees, etc). The Dad should file the complaint since he was not involved in the bogus merchandise issue, so that can not be held against him.
Truth be told I have no respect for most lost prevention types and regularly slap them down...something about wannabe rambos interfering with my rights brings out the worst in me.
End of story.
That tactic should work.
Problem is we have many on this threat that have read the Constitution and found the clause, “A right to not be offended”.
Life is too freakin short to spend even 5 minutes being concerned about being offended.
Suck it up, forge ahead. Shop somewhere else, quit paying shyster lawyers to defend your “right” to not be offended.
Not in that state, according to law (unless you're driving, of course). Besides, he's the one who called the cops, and the cop searched his bag and found no shoplifted merchandise. The employees were the suspicious persons, as they were in the middle of committing the crime that caused a citizen to dial 911. They should have been arrested, not him. He does deserve a "royal jackass" award though.
He was stopped outside the store on suspicion. If he was in the store, he has plausible deniabilty.
He was stopped inside the store after checking out, but left. There wasn't necessarily suspicion of shoplifting initially, as he came from the register, and these stores have a habit of doing random checks.
FGS, just buy it on the internet. No bag checks, no hassles, no chance of being arrested for evading a bag check. Are we just looking for reasons to bitch and complain?
I remember that case, but I don't remember the specifics. I do remember he had been driving a car just before, or had been in the driver's seat or something. In any case, as mentioned, Ohio state law specifically states he doesn't have to show it. The law in the precedent was probably different.
Walmart and Best Buy check your receipt at the door; you know that going in.
If you don’t like it, don’t go in.
See how simple that is?
He was “arrested” as soon as the store stopped him from leaving. Not only was he arrested but so was his father when they stopped him from leaving and blocked his car. He might have a good false arrest claim against the store. That said the guy is a jerk.
“I have no problem letting the store check my receipts...”
I do have a problem with this. If they think I am shoplifting, let them charge me. If you are a member of Sam’s or Costco or other similar membership shopping clubs, you have given them the right to check your cart against your receipt. Otherwise, no.
Sue Circuit City, the perps who were the two employees involved, the cop and the city of Brocklyn, Ohio for false arrest.
I think we need to separate the issues here.
A lot of people don’t like being searched, but we all seem to agree that the answer is just to not shop there — certainly don’t shop there and then complain. May I suggest the small privately-owned stores where you never get searched if you walk from the cash register out the door. You generally get better service at such places anyway.
The issues here to me are: “Papers, please,” false arrest and unlawful detainment. Even the rights of a jackass can be violated.
Too simple for some people, apparently.
LOL this bozo should be charged for falsely calling 911 if nothing else. Your cries the CC employees were at fault instead are hilarious, as well as a perfect insight to how a liberal mind works.
“”Walmart and Best Buy check your receipt at the door; you know that going in.””
They only check some people, Walmart for instance has never checked my bags. ever.
Ohio Revised Statutes
2905.03 Unlawful restraint.They employees were clearly guilty of this crime for not allowing him to leave the parking lot. Plus they unlawfully restrained his father and siblings. They should have been arrested. The jackass in question was guilty of no crime, but was arrested. As the manager I wouldn't let him back in the store though.
(A) No person, without privilege to do so, shall knowingly restrain another of his liberty.
(B) Whoever violates this section is guilty of unlawful restraint, a misdemeanor of the third degree.
Effective Date: 01-01-1974
There’s an old cop saying when dealing with jerks like this, - “You may beat the rap but you won’t beat the ride”. It means that if you are going to be an ass the cop can seriously screw up your night. Even if he can’t make a charge stick, you still lose.
When Best Buy asked my friend for his receipt,
I remained silent;
I did not shop at Best Buy
When they asked for my father’s receipt at Office Depot,
I remained silent;
I did not shop at Office Depot.
When they asked to look in my brother’s bag at WalMart,
I did not speak out;
I was busy trying to get a lobster harmonica out of the claw machine.
When Circuit City asked ME for my receipt,
I got the ACLU to help me sue them.
See post #62.
I live in Ohio and have been in that CC store a number of times. They do the receipt checking at Home Depot all the time. The guy who marks the receipt often is standing right there watching the whole transaction. This means they don't trust their cashiers.
Sometimes the checker is not at the register but they never look in the bag. I have had my receipt marked a number of times but I have rarely if ever had anyone actually look in my bag. They just want to mark the receipt.
At BJs they make the appearance of checking the 125 items in my two shopping carts full, but it is just a show.
You can’t with Walmart either.
The police on the scene already charged this idiot instead, hopefully a charge for improperly paging 911will be tacked on as well.
So who changed the title of the thread, you in search of donations for the ACLU, or the moderator to show how ridiculous you look?
Is this a scam so that this guy can get money for himself or the ACLU?
“”You cant with Walmart either.””
That just isn’t true.
What isn’t true?
If this a-hole prefers to shop where his package will not be checked against proof of purchase, he is free to go elswhere. The rest of us don’t mind helping in the war against shoplifting. A pox on him.
From his site:
“Q: How do I know this isnt a scam to raise money?
A: You dont. However, I urge you to learn about my reputation by reading these articles. Article #1, Article #2, Article #3.”