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Republican Presidential Candidate Debate #5 – Durham, NH 09/05/07 - Official Discussion Thread

Posted on 09/05/2007 3:55:52 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture

Republican Presidential Candidate Debate #5 – Durham, New Hampshire 09/05/07 - Official Discussion Thread

Viewers of Wednesday night's Republican presidential debate in Durham, N.H., should be sure to have their computers up and running early, as FOXNews.com offers special live streaming video before, during and after the event.

The debate itself, to be aired on FOX News Channel and streamed on FOXNews.com, begins at 9 p.m. EDT (6 PDT).

Moderated by Brit Hume

Candidates participating...



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To: LeoWindhorse
Conservatives have forgotten the face of their father

"Perpetual War for Perpetual Peace comes to pass in an era of Righteousness -- that is, national or ideological self-righteousness in which the public is persuaded that 'God is on our side,' and that those who disagree should be brought here before the bar as war criminals."

[I]t would be ruinous for the Republicans to convert themselves into a party of high deeds in distant lands and higher taxes on the home front. Such a New World Order, like the Pax Romana, might create a wilderness and call it peace; at best, it would reduce the chocolate ration from thirty grams to twenty. And in the fullness of time, the angry peoples of the world would pull down the American Empire, despite its military ingenuity and its protestations of kindness and gentleness -- even as the Soviet Empire is being pulled down today, thanks be to God. --Russell Kirk http://users.etown.edu/m/mcdonaldw/Lect321.html Political Errors at the End of the Twentieth Century 2/27/91 Lecture #321

A war for the Scheldt? A war for a chamber-pot!" Burke exclaimed. Now one may say, "A war for Kuwait? A war for an oilcan! --ibid

"Presidents Woodrow Wilson, Franklin Roosevelt, and Lyndon Johnson were enthusiasts for American domination of the world," Kirk said in his speech. "Now George Bush appears to be emulating those eminent Democrats. When the Republicans, once upon a time, nominated for the presidency a 'One World' candidate, Wendell Willkie, they were sadly trounced. In general, Republicans throughout the twentieth century have been advocates of prudence and restraint in the conduct of foreign affairs."

President Bush, Kirk said, had embarked upon "a radical course of intervention in the region of the Persian Gulf. After carpet-bombing the Cradle of Civilization as no country ever had been bombed before, Mr. Bush sent in hundreds of thousands of soldiers to overrun the Iraqi bunkers - that were garrisoned by dead men, asphyxiated."

And why, exactly? "The Bush Administration found it difficult to answer that question clearly. In the beginning it was implied that the American national interest required low petroleum prices: therefore, if need be, smite and spare not!" --ibid.

In short, although we never talk about our empire, a tremendous American Empire has come into existence -- if, like the Roman Empire, in a kind of fit of absence of mind. No powerful counterpoise to the American hegemony seems to remain, what with the enfeebling of the U.S.S.R.

Such a universal ascendancy always has been resented by the lesser breeds without the law. Soon there sets to work a widespread impulse to pull down the imperial power. But that imperial power, strong in weapons, finds it possible for a time to repress the disobedient. In the long run -- well, as Talleyrand put it, "You can do everything with bayonets -- except sit on them." In the long run, the task of repression is too painful a burden to bear; so the Communist Party of the Soviet Union has discovered in the past few years. Napoleon discovered that hard truth earlier and King George III and the King's Friends discovered it between the years 1775 and 1781.

--Russell Kirk

http://users.etown.edu/m/mcdonaldw/Lect321.html
Political Errors at the End of the Twentieth Century
2/27/91 Lecture #321

True, we did not suffer a long war in the deserts of Kuwait and Iraq. But we must expect to suffer during a very long period of widespread hostility toward the United States -- even, or perhaps especially, from the people of certain states that America bribed or bullied into combining against Iraq.

In Egypt, in Syria, in Pakistan, in Algeria, in Morocco, in all of the world of Islam, the masses now regard the United States as their arrogant adversary; while the Soviet Union, by virtue of its endeavors to mediate the quarrel in its later stages, may pose again as the friend of Moslem lands. Nor is this all: for now, in every continent, the United States is resented increasingly as the last and most formidable of imperial systems. --ibid.

1,241 posted on 09/05/2007 7:26:41 PM PDT by John Farson (Ron Paul for president)
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To: SHEENA26

Yep.

http://blip.tv/file/346449

And I like what I heard.


1,242 posted on 09/05/2007 7:26:42 PM PDT by Jedidah
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To: SHEENA26

No Sheena, you’re not getting me... he needs to go over and talk to the boots on the ground and see for himself.

He wouldn’t have to wait for the NYT, Brookings or media to prejudge his decisions.

We get all the great success and heartbreak daily, we talk to the troops. If he did, he would know more assertively and no one would have him in that position.


1,243 posted on 09/05/2007 7:26:45 PM PDT by AliVeritas (What did you do for America today? Mr. Hunter)
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To: LdSentinal
Dr. Paul is now, officially, Dr. Demento.

1,244 posted on 09/05/2007 7:26:51 PM PDT by mnehring (Ron Paul gets his marching orders from Al Qaeda.)
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To: alicewonders

You know, you’re right. All is does is go off on some rant about NY, over and over.

His weird eye thing is odd to watch.


1,245 posted on 09/05/2007 7:26:53 PM PDT by Shortstop7
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To: Loyal Buckeye
“The only thing left for Ron Paul to say is that he would sit down with AQ, Iran, NK, etc. and iron out our differences.”

I think he already has.

He just wants to tell them that they can have the rest of the world, just don’t come bother us.

What a naive man.

1,246 posted on 09/05/2007 7:27:00 PM PDT by Mr. Jazzy (Very Proud Dad of LCpl Smoothguy242 USMC of 1/3 Marines, now fighting for freedom, on duty in Iraq.)
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To: o-n-money

Hilary could not beat Duncan Hunter imo. If she tried to attack him, it would backfire.


1,247 posted on 09/05/2007 7:27:06 PM PDT by floriduh voter (Terri Anti-Euthanasia Ping List: 8mmmauser DUNCAN HUNTER FOR PRESIDENT OF U.S.)
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To: dragnet2

I hope no one takes the bait on this question. We shouldn’t respond to hypothetical situations.


1,248 posted on 09/05/2007 7:27:15 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Halls

Thanks and Gog Bless. Don’t run from these BOTS!!


1,249 posted on 09/05/2007 7:27:16 PM PDT by Dutch Tulip
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To: mnehrling

again with this guy?


1,250 posted on 09/05/2007 7:27:29 PM PDT by LeoWindhorse
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To: Dutch Tulip
Bush interrupted Saddam's comeback on the world stage.
A beneficial side effect was the dismantling of Libya's WMD program.

Containment of Iraq was failing more each day.

1. The oil-for-food program was corrupt
2. The weapons inspections were a farce
3. There are indications that Saddam was co-operating with Qadhafi on programs to develop weapons in Libya
4. US and allied planes were targeted
5. Uninspected flights to Baghdad gutted the sanctions
6. Terrorists were training in Iraq
7. Saddam supported terrorism - paying $25,000 to each family of a suicide bomber and $10,000 to the families of other Palestinians killed in the intifadah.
8. Saddam created the Jerusalem Army [the Jaysh al-Quds] to "liberate" Jerusalem
9. Saddam refused to destroy his Samoud 2 missiles which violated the UN mandate
10. Saddam brutalized our fellow human beings

Saddam was thumbing his nose at decent people as he rewarded his collaborators.

1,251 posted on 09/05/2007 7:27:33 PM PDT by syriacus (If the US troops had remained in S. Korea in 1949, there would have been no Korean War (1950-53))
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To: SHEENA26

Patience.

He will be asked tough questions. What’s the hurry?


1,252 posted on 09/05/2007 7:27:32 PM PDT by Vanbasten
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To: jmyrlefuller
Rudy got a deferment from Vietnam to be a law clerk...that's how he handled it.

Duncan Hunter went to vietnam as a Ranger - 23 missions worth, son his on third trip to ME.


Hey rudy how man girlfriends/ wives?


Hunter is still with his original sweetheart for a great wife!
1,253 posted on 09/05/2007 7:27:40 PM PDT by Issaquahking (Duncan Hunter for President!)
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Talk to Iran! Nutjob...


1,254 posted on 09/05/2007 7:27:42 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
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To: ClarenceThomasfan
These days he sounds like Rush Limbaugh too.

Rush has been disappointing me quite a bit recently.
1,255 posted on 09/05/2007 7:27:42 PM PDT by advance_copy (Stand for life, or nothing at all)
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To: All

Does Brit Hume have multiple scherosis? His hands are shaking incontrollably, while he is asking questions.


1,256 posted on 09/05/2007 7:27:46 PM PDT by ClarenceThomasfan (I want President Bush to run for a third term!)
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To: Mr. Jazzy

Why on earth does Brit keep giving him questions? I don’t get it.


1,257 posted on 09/05/2007 7:27:48 PM PDT by Shortstop7
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To: Pistolshot
One thing about Ron Paul, he is pro-2A. No ifs,ands, or butts about it.

OMG! Ron Paul's a kook! He believes that citizens should own firearms!!

1,258 posted on 09/05/2007 7:27:50 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: kabar

-too late, Paul has jumped on board and is rambling on.......


1,259 posted on 09/05/2007 7:27:56 PM PDT by tioga
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To: kabar

Ron Paul is a complete nut isolationist!


1,260 posted on 09/05/2007 7:27:57 PM PDT by CWW (Make the most of the loss, and regroup for 2008!!)
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