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MADELEINE: POLICE TO SEARCH SHRINE FOR BODY
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Posted on 09/17/2007 9:42:46 AM PDT by UKrepublican

MADELEINE: POLICE TO SEARCH SHRINE FOR BODY

POLICE in Portugal believe Madeleine McCann may be buried at one of the holiest sites of the Catholic Church

Officers were last night planning to launch a search at Fatima in central Portugal.

Devout Kate and Gerry McCann made a pilgrimage there three weeks after their daughter vanished from their holiday apartment in the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz.

Just four days later they rented a car which police believe the couple used to return to the shrine and dispose of Madeleine’s body.

The search in Fatima is said to be one of a series to be carried out over the next few days. It comes as it was claimed yesterday that Kate could be charged with her daughter’s murder.

In just five weeks the McCanns clocked up 1,709 miles in the car and police want to question them about every journey they made. The couple claim they ran up the mileage making

frequent return trips from the resort to Faro Airport 55 miles away.

They were picking up and dropping off family and friends who stayed with them as they mounted their campaign to find Madeleine, who vanished on May 3.

But a police source told the Daily Express yesterday that officers were not satisfied with the explanation the McCanns gave them.

They now believe the couple made the 500-mile return trip to Fatima to dispose of their daughter’s body.

It is one of the few places in Portugal outside the Algarve that the McCanns are known to have visited in the days after Madeleine disappeared.

Officers want to examine a pasture called the Cova da Iria near the village of Aljustrel a mile from Fatima – where the Virgin Mary is said to have appeared to three children in 1917.

Police believe Madeleine died as a result of an accident and her body was hidden before being moved in the McCanns’ hire car.

They are convinced Gerry and Kate McCann’s devotion to their faith played a key role in how they supposedly disposed of the body.

The McCanns’ visit to Fatima on May 23 was the first of a series of organised trips to raise awareness for their campaign to find their missing daughter.

By the time they signed a rental agreement on a Renault with Budget Rentacar at Faro Airport on May 27, Fatima was one of the few places in Portugal they had been to. Detectives are said to be “very concerned” about the high mileage of the hire car and believe the couple may have travelled a long distance to dispose of Madeleine’s body.

A source close to the investigation said: “We are looking for a final resting place for the little girl.

“We now believe the movements of the car in the days after it was hired are the key to solving the mystery.

“Everywhere they have been will be thoroughly examined. They did not know Portugal well. The only familiar places will be the ones they visited.

“They have said the only places they drove to were around the resort and to and from the airport but that does not account for the mileage they did in the car.”

Body fluids with an 88 per cent DNA match to Madeleine were found in the spare tyre well under the carpet in the boot of the Renault along with clumps of the youngster’s hair.

During police interviews the McCanns were shown a video of a sniffer dog “going crazy’’ when it approached their hire car.

Police had previously been working on the theory that Madeleine’s body was dumped in the sea near the beach in Praia da Luz.

The British dogs brought in by South Yorkshire Police allegedly detected a trail of death from the family’s Ocean Club apartment down to the sea front.

Experts in tidal movements were called in to try to establish scientifically where a body may have been washed up. Another theory was that Madeleine’s body was placed in a sack and weighed down with rocks.


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1 posted on 09/17/2007 9:42:47 AM PDT by UKrepublican
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The article certainly provides alot of information that looks damning for these two.


2 posted on 09/17/2007 9:43:30 AM PDT by UKrepublican
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To: UKrepublican

88% DNA? That doesn’t sound very positive to me.


3 posted on 09/17/2007 9:47:08 AM PDT by Blogger (Propheteuon.com)
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To: UKrepublican
In just five weeks the McCanns clocked up 1,709 miles in the car and police want to question them about every journey they made. The couple claim they ran up the mileage making frequent return trips from the resort to Faro Airport 55 miles away.

Doesn't seem that out of whack.

1709 / 5 weeks = 342 miles/week

110 miles round trip to the airport 3x/week doesn't seem unusual to me in this case.

Now, the sniffing dogs is another matter altogether.

4 posted on 09/17/2007 9:50:29 AM PDT by craig_eddy
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To: UKrepublican

A human body begins to emit an odor not long after death, and that odor quickly increases to the point that you can hardly stand it. Transporting a body at three weeks after death would be nearly impossible, without someone in the public noticing the stench and reporting it.

There are a lot of charges flying around about this case. I don’t know what to make of it, but some things that are being proposed don’t seem to make much sense at all.

Perhaps this search will turn up something. I don’t know. All I know is this is one wierd case. Parents on vacation are supposed to have killed their kid under everyone’s noses, then hid the kid, then transported the kid.

Perhaps so. It sure seems unlikely to me, but then who knows for sure.


5 posted on 09/17/2007 9:50:47 AM PDT by DoughtyOne ((Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking its heritage.))
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To: UKrepublican

Imagine their credit card record would reveal their travels (gas, meals, lodging, etc.). Unless, of course, they paid cash, but I’d think the locals would recognize them and come forward. This whole thing is unbelievable.


6 posted on 09/17/2007 9:50:48 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: UKrepublican

How old was the child?


7 posted on 09/17/2007 9:52:49 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler ("A person's a person no matter how small." -Dr. Seuss)
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To: UKrepublican

Actually - the police in Portugal are beginning to sound more like the Keystone Kops..

Every day - they throw up a new theory...

The couple may be guilty of something — but I doubt they will ever be proved guilty by the police currently involved...


8 posted on 09/17/2007 9:53:56 AM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: sarasota

i’ll be shocked if they did it. unlike jon benet where i still suspect
the mama.

WIFE O’BUCKHEAD


9 posted on 09/17/2007 9:54:00 AM PDT by Buckhead (just making the comments buckhead won't make.)
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To: UKrepublican

At this point, I can’t see these parents killing their child accidently or not.


10 posted on 09/17/2007 9:56:20 AM PDT by freekitty (May the eagles long fly over our beautiful and free American sky.)
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To: craig_eddy

The dogs were from the U.K....

Perhaps the smells of Portugal and the dogs there were exciting to them...

European “scents” are so much more interesting than in the U.K..


11 posted on 09/17/2007 9:56:51 AM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: Blogger

An 88% DNA match means they don’t have jack! The police are only going to the shrine to pray for divine intervention! LOL


12 posted on 09/17/2007 9:58:20 AM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: UKrepublican

Really weird. Is all this religiosity of the McCanns a big show? Were they practicing Catholics before their girl disappeared?


13 posted on 09/17/2007 9:58:48 AM PDT by Palladin (Satan to Fidel: "Let me light your cigar.")
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To: Jeff Chandler

3 1/2, almost 4.


14 posted on 09/17/2007 9:59:56 AM PDT by Palladin (Satan to Fidel: "Let me light your cigar.")
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To: UKrepublican

Pretty tricky for a couple of Brits who don’t speak Portuguese who were being obsessively stalked by the media. And I wonder how they managed to avoid being seen by the thousands of pilgrims that are milling around the Fatima shrine at any given time. It is not exactly a deserted site. Wouldn’t some of them have notice a couple of very blond people carrying around a child’s corpse?


15 posted on 09/17/2007 10:00:12 AM PDT by 3AngelaD (They screwed up their own countries so bad they had to leave, and now they're here screwing up ours)
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To: UKrepublican

Huh? How can they have hidden the stench of a decomposing body? With the media following them around how could they have hidden THAT? I am more than skeptical of the police and their inadequacy.


16 posted on 09/17/2007 10:01:05 AM PDT by tioga
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To: Blogger

Wouldn’t one’s own DNA be a 100% match?


17 posted on 09/17/2007 10:01:07 AM PDT by panthermom (DUNCAN HUNTER 2008)
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To: UKrepublican

Well, if they’re into Fatima and all that “stuff” I believe they are at the very least, whacky, and probably more so nutty.


18 posted on 09/17/2007 10:02:45 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: 3AngelaD

Also, the car they rented does not have an enclosed trunk like we are accustomed to here in the US. If I were going to transport a body around, I would try to get a car with a real trunk, assuming that they are available in Europe.


19 posted on 09/17/2007 10:05:27 AM PDT by twigs
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To: panthermom

Should be, and I think we have a closer DNA match to a head of cabbage!


20 posted on 09/17/2007 10:05:52 AM PDT by Blogger (Propheteuon.com)
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To: sarasota
Imagine their credit card record would reveal their travels (gas, meals, lodging, etc.).

If they filled the tank, filled a gas can, and and brought food with them, they could have made it without stopping for meals or gas or lodging.

It is a four-five hour drive each way - quite doable.

The entire country of Portugal is smaller than Indiana.

21 posted on 09/17/2007 10:13:19 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: Scythian
Well, if they’re into Fatima and all that “stuff” I believe they are at the very least, whacky, and probably more so nutty.

There is a difference between believing the account Lucia Santos, Jacinta Marto and Francisco Marto gave of their encounter with Our Lady, and being unhealthily obsessed with that encounter and the various conspiracy theories people have hatched about it.

22 posted on 09/17/2007 10:17:05 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: river rat
The police are once again showing they are hopelessly inept. They keep tossing out new possibilities and then hoping one sticks. 88% dna match is not strong at all. Then there is the question of how the McCanns could have kept a 3-wk old corpse undiscovered while being watched and then manage to transport that same corpse to its final hiding place in an unfamiliar country without the odor giving them away.

I think the theory that makes the most sense is that Portugal is worried about tourism and so wants to pin this on the parents no matter what the truth is, just so they can make the whole nasty thing go away.

23 posted on 09/17/2007 10:19:54 AM PDT by Heartland Mom (Build the fence, secure our borders, deport illegals - Protect our sovereignty!)
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To: twigs
If I were going to transport a body around, I would try to get a car with a real trunk, assuming that they are available in Europe.

They are available, but hatchbacks are quite common and you wouldn't want the sales staff remembering that you insisted on paying more if need be for a larger model with an enclosed trunk.

The Renault Scenic does have a built-in partition that you can snap in place over the trunk space - to prevent smash-and-grabbers from seeing what you have in your trunk.

24 posted on 09/17/2007 10:22:23 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: UKrepublican

Oh this such crap! Fatima? They screwed the goose with this theroy...


25 posted on 09/17/2007 10:24:39 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (Midnight Hallway Hockey scores: Cats 3-Humans 0)
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To: Blogger
88% DNA? That doesn’t sound very positive to me.

Agreed. Didn't the jury agree that that the 1 in 4 billion chance that blood found at the nichole simpson murder site was not OJ's wasn't convincing enough to convict OJ?

26 posted on 09/17/2007 10:33:26 AM PDT by fso301
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To: UKrepublican

My guess is that it’s just more wild speculation that will ultimately be damning for the Portuguese authorities and the Portuguese tourism industry. The BEST possible outcome of all this for the Portuguese police is that they prove they’re right about the McCanns killing their daughter and disposing of her body nearly a month after the fact. Then they have to admit that during what they advertised to the public as an intensive investigative operation to find Madeleine dead or alive, the McCanns were able to conceal the body for nearly a month, retrieve it, put it in their rental car, drive it off somewhere, and bury it, all without being detected by the Portuguese “investigators”.


27 posted on 09/17/2007 10:38:18 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: river rat

Indeed, I think there’s reason to suspect the Portuguese police of not only incompetence, but also corruption. The guy in charge of the investigation is currently facing charges for the beating of the mother of another missing child while she was in police custody. Whose bright idea was it to put him in charge of this case? I wouldn’t be entirely surprised if the police know exactly who did it, are in touch with that person or persons, and are covering for them by framing the McCann’s. That would explain the source of all the forensic evidence that suddenly started popping up all over the place, months after Madeleine’s disappearance. The real perp(s) has/have access to the body, and are in a position to give the police access too.


28 posted on 09/17/2007 10:43:14 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: GovernmentShrinker
Then they have to admit that during what they advertised to the public as an intensive investigative operation to find Madeleine dead or alive, the McCanns were able to conceal the body for nearly a month, retrieve it, put it in their rental car, drive it off somewhere, and bury it, all without being detected by the Portuguese “investigators”.

The Portuguese authorities cannot be blamed in retrospect for having believed the McCanns and for having kept the McCanns closely informed of their movements.

If the investigators are telling you where they are looking for the body, then you have a much better chance of concealing it from them.

The most unprofessional thing the police have done in this case has been to trust the McCanns and given them access to the investigation. If it were the FBI, the McCanns would have immediately been considered persons of interest and they would have been grilled relentlessly from the beginning.

29 posted on 09/17/2007 10:51:10 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: freekitty

Aruba Police are assisting in the investigation./sc Tourism will take a hit.I still can not imagine responsible parents going to dinner and leaving their children unattended.Do their children really sleep that sound?The parents must have been extremely confident that they would not awaken.I have eight grandchildren and when they stay at our house,at least one is up at any given time to use the bathroom,get a drink of water,or need assurances that the boogeyman will not get them.I just have a bad feeling about this and I hope with all my heart that she is safe somewhere.I pray they keep looking.


30 posted on 09/17/2007 10:51:48 AM PDT by xarmydog
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To: UKrepublican; Perdogg; pissant
POLICE TO SEARCH SHRINE FOR BODY

And here I thought this was going to be a thread about Katherine Heigl.


31 posted on 09/17/2007 10:53:01 AM PDT by jdm
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To: river rat

Aruba Redux.


32 posted on 09/17/2007 10:53:22 AM PDT by Andy'smom
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To: xarmydog

I agree.


33 posted on 09/17/2007 10:54:12 AM PDT by freekitty (May the eagles long fly over our beautiful and free American sky.)
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To: craig_eddy

The dogs don’t know who was carrying the dead body, though. Nothing against the parents there. All we know is that someone removed the body, and we already knew that.

The dogs should hit strongly on the car if a body was in it for a few hundred miles.

How do they know the hair belongs to the missing girl? Hair comparison is not that exact.

An 88% DNA match, isn’t.


34 posted on 09/17/2007 10:55:19 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: ltc8k6

Keep in mind that these dogs will “hit” on the scent of ANY dead body, not just the one that’s the subject of the case. There’s not a police department on the planet that isn’t capable of placing dead body scent anywhere they want to.


35 posted on 09/17/2007 11:17:32 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: freekitty
Thank you.Something really smells about the whole deal.When I think my life stinks,all I need to think about are my children and grandchildren to cheer me up.I do not have a clue nor do i want to even think of anything bad such as that happening to my family.I can not envision the pain that any parent must feel after the loss of a child.They are God’s greatest gift to mankind.I go to extreme measures to see that they are safe the best I can.Children are a great responsibility.It is unfortunate that there are many people out there who do not have a clue.Regards
36 posted on 09/17/2007 11:21:14 AM PDT by xarmydog
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To: ltc8k6

Clumps of hair would probably have hair follicles.

Those can be accurately identified, I believe.


37 posted on 09/17/2007 11:22:04 AM PDT by Politicalmom (Of the potential GOP front runners, FT has one of the better records on immigration.- NumbersUSA <a)
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To: Buckhead

Why would Mrs. Ramsey have wanted her daughter dead? And the method of murder is just too bizarre, IMO.


38 posted on 09/17/2007 11:26:52 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: GovernmentShrinker
Apparently the scent of death can still exist on clothes that have been washed several times.

The mother is a doctor - not a huge step to believe that she could have had the scent of death on her clothes.

39 posted on 09/17/2007 11:28:08 AM PDT by Churchillspirit (We are all foot soldiers in this War On Terror.)
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To: UKrepublican

Gads. Has anyone here been to Fatima?

At the time I was there (many years ago) it had at least 100 small stalls selling junk in name of saints, etc. I am not trying to be mean, but it was the most vulgar display I had ever seen and never since in the name of religion.

I was totally shocked.

So what is my point?

Fatima is so full of tourist wandering around, it would have been like getting rid of the body in Time Square.

Before I get flamed for maybe giving the “appearance” of being anti Catholic, I was baptized as an RC as was all of my family. As I matured, a lot of my friends were Episcopalians and eventually was confirmed there. But, we all know the rest of the story; and therefore, we all know the Episcopalian tragedy. I haven’t been to church in years.


40 posted on 09/17/2007 11:32:44 AM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: wideawake

Thanks. Good point. It still seems to make the scenario the police are laying out more unlikely. Actually, I’m on the fence on this one. I think they have acted somewhat suspiciously, but I thought the same thing about Chandra’s mother. People act differently under grief and stress. But I don’t see the professionalism from the police I associate with credibility, either.


41 posted on 09/17/2007 11:33:47 AM PDT by twigs
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To: GovernmentShrinker

I know we don’t have great confidence in the authorities there, but:

“Police believe Madeleine died as a result of an accident and her body was hidden before being moved in the McCanns’ hire car.”

IOW, maybe not deliberate murder, but hiding the fact she died.

As to the dogs - I may be mistaken, but dogs are trained to track particular people. Could not this apply to cadaver dogs, too?


42 posted on 09/17/2007 11:38:46 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: UKrepublican

Bump


43 posted on 09/17/2007 11:39:23 AM PDT by BunnySlippers (Buy a Mac ...)
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They now believe the couple made the 500-mile return trip to Fatima to dispose of their daughter’s body.

This would actually make some sense if the parents had accidentally killed the child.

44 posted on 09/17/2007 11:42:30 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: fso301
"....was not OJ's wasn't convincing enough to convict OJ?"

Hell, the majority black jury sitting in "protection" of O.J., wouldn't have convicted O.J. of killing a white woman and her Jew friend if they had witnessed the event themselves....

No fact other than white hate Jury Nullification RACISM or fear of returning to the "hood" if they convicted a black hero was at issue in O.J.'s trial....

45 posted on 09/17/2007 11:42:52 AM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: wideawake
There is a difference between believing the account Lucia Santos, Jacinta Marto and Francisco Marto gave of their encounter with Our Lady,...

Not to mention the accounts of the thousands of other eye witnesses.

46 posted on 09/17/2007 11:47:40 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
At the time I was there (many years ago) it had at least 100 small stalls selling junk in name of saints, etc. I am not trying to be mean, but it was the most vulgar display I had ever seen and never since in the name of religion.

I understand your point, but, really, what's wrong with buying or selling an image of a saint, even if it isn't well done? Think of the hours that people spend every weekend at flea markets, collecting ultimately meaningless sports memorabilia, and the like. And no one blinks at that. If you're intent on buying low quality stuff, you might as well buy low quality religious stuff.

47 posted on 09/17/2007 11:56:32 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

I’ve never heard of a cadaver dog searching for a particular person. You’d probably have to have a scent from the person’s already dead body to provide to the dog. They’re normally trained to detect any human cadaver, and used mainly for disaster situations where searchers aren’t looking for any particular individual, and for crime investigations where it’s assumed that other information will be used to identify any bodies after they’re found.

I’d really like to hear the Portuguese police speculate as to where the body might have been hidden for that length of time. It couldn’t have been very close to the McCanns since they were under such constant watch by media and subject to frequent visits by authorities. And if it was some distance from them, yet close enough to still be retrievable by them, it must have been well within the area in which a massive search was underway during that entire period, under the direction of the Portuguese police. The public was under non-stop media bombardment, so practically everybody was keeping an eye out for anything suspicious that could be related to the disappearance of a little girl in the area. If the McCanns could have hidden, moved, and disposed of the body during this period, so could anyone else — like the real perp.

The only thing I know for sure is that I won’t be visiting Portugal anytime soon.


48 posted on 09/17/2007 11:58:25 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: wideawake

Pardon my ignorance.....did they make the movie “song of Bernadette” based on this?


49 posted on 09/17/2007 11:59:38 AM PDT by mpackard (Proud mama of a Sailor.)
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To: twigs
Actually, I’m on the fence on this one.

As am I.

The fact is that there is a very plausible theory regarding the parents being responsible - they certainly could have done this.

But I don’t see the professionalism from the police I associate with credibility, either.

Portugal is a small country and the girl disappeared in a resort town of a few thousand people - not a major city. Holding the Portuguese police to the professional standard of an FBI forensic team is a bit much to ask.

There are two facts here that should be considered:

(1) There was no immediate evidence on the scene that a crime had occurred.

(2) The police originally believed the McCanns' version of events.

The second fact was an understandable police erro.

50 posted on 09/17/2007 12:00:22 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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