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New Leads in Search for Fossett
WJLA 7 DC ^ | Sept 25, 2007 | BRENDAN RILEY

Posted on 09/25/2007 8:06:47 PM PDT by RDTF

CARSON CITY, Nev. - Relying on new leads from Air Force experts, crews looking for famed aviator Steve Fossett plan to comb a rugged area near Death Valley by air and foot, authorities said Tuesday. Gary Derks, the state Department of Public Safety official in charge of the search, said the Air Force analyzed images picked up by radar and satellite and "picked up what could be Mr. Fossett, his track." "It gives us an idea, if it's him, what direction he was going," Derks said of the wealthy adventurer, missing for more than three weeks.

Derks said the area stretches about 100 miles to the southeast from where Fossett took off Sept. 3, an airstrip on a million-acre ranch owned by hotel mogul Barron Hilton. Maps show the area would include Nevada's remote Silver Peak Range, close to Death Valley National Park in California.

"There's nothing definite, nothing concrete," Derks said. "These are just some hits that we want to track."

Search planes will fly over the area Saturday and Sunday, Derks said.

The area is "very rough terrain," Derks said. "If he's there, he's going to be hard to see. That's why we're sending in the ground search-and-rescue crews, too."

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KEYWORDS: fossett; missing; stevefossett
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To: JUMPIN JEHOSPOHAT

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21 posted on 09/25/2007 10:40:44 PM PDT by JUMPIN JEHOSPOHAT
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To: RDTF
Just declare him dead and take his money; that will do one of two things;

1. Piss him off if he makes it back alive and did not hear about it, or

2. Motivate him to get found sooner if he has a radio and hears about it.

Listen, we can look all we want, but he is a self made man and if he is still alive, a little motivation like making him poor just may help!

22 posted on 09/25/2007 11:03:34 PM PDT by Herakles (Diversity is code word for anti-white racism)
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To: The Bass Player

Unless you’re flying IFR, there is no requirement to file a flight plan. It is recommended, but not required.

Most pilots in small planes, flying in clear weather, taking off and intending to land at the same airport won’t file flight plans.


23 posted on 09/25/2007 11:28:31 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: BigBobber
I think you are correct. I missed the importance of the satellite component. Wow, we sure have some pretty neat technologies these days, don’t we?

My prayers go out for him, and for his family and friends who await word on his situation.

He does so much that really requires him to be at the tip top of his game I wonder if he didn’t head off on what would be for him a very routine cross country flight and in so doing let something really simple trip him up. Spending a couple of hours in his single engine aircraft would be very mild compared to many of his experiences.

24 posted on 09/26/2007 2:35:38 AM PDT by jwparkerjr (Sigh . . .)
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To: RDTF
re: Search planes will fly over the area Saturday and Sunday, Derks said.

Are the talking last Saturday and Sunday, I hope! I would hate to think they are putting off this aspect of the search until next weekend.

25 posted on 09/26/2007 2:37:20 AM PDT by jwparkerjr (Sigh . . .)
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To: shield
Those ELT’s are designed to take quite a beating and keep on beeping. I wouldn’t think there’s enough mass in his single engine aircraft to destroy an ELT even if it hit the ground a full speed. I would sooner think he failed to test the ELT and when it was really needed it wasn’t available. There’s not a lot you can do to test them, but the battery is one area that needs to be checked regularly.

Their frequency is monitored by satellite. The satellite is programmed to ignore the first signal it receives and not report it until its next pass over the area. This helps rule out false alarms since people trigger them by mistake and turn them off quickly so that it’s no longer transmitting on the next pass.

26 posted on 09/26/2007 2:43:09 AM PDT by jwparkerjr (Sigh . . .)
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To: shield

I have very little doubt that he is dead. There’s no way he carried enough water to live this long, and it’s hugely unlikely that he found any. I’d love to be proven wrong, to see Fossett walk into a Reno casino and ask for a beer, a Keno ticket and about two gallons of Gatorade, but I don’t see it as likely.


27 posted on 09/26/2007 2:51:32 AM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: jwparkerjr

Radio Detection and Ranging


28 posted on 09/26/2007 4:22:40 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: CaliGirl
Read the first line of the article again.

"CARSON CITY, Nev. - Relying on new leads from Air Force experts,"

29 posted on 09/26/2007 4:27:59 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: A.A. Cunningham
A million thanks! It was a bit before my time, but I had a favorite uncle who was a radar technician at the end of WWII and he was a real joy to talk to about some of the early technology.

We’ve come a long way!

30 posted on 09/26/2007 6:42:30 AM PDT by jwparkerjr (Sigh . . .)
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To: trumandogz

In WWII a 24 crashed in remote Alaksa. Two of the ferry crew were able to bail out. One of the crew members survived 86 days untill noted by another ferry flight and was rescued.

He stated out with a parachute and a Boy Scout knife......and was lucky to find trapper cabins.

“Two crew members bailed out before the crash. One of them, co-pilot 2nd Lt. Leon Crane of Philadelphia, survived for 86 days in the wilderness after he stumbled upon trappers’ cabins where he found food and refuge from the elements. Crew chief Master Sgt. Richard Pompeo, the second man who made it out of the bomber, was never found.”

See http://www.usarak.army.mil/alaskapost/Sep14Story20.asp
an Army site.


31 posted on 09/26/2007 9:15:55 AM PDT by ASOC (Yeah, well, maybe - but can you *prove* it?)
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To: RDTF

At first I just thought this was a guy with more money than skill...a thrill seeker who fate caught up with, ala John Denver years ago.

But the fact they haven’t found Fossett, the plane or wreckage....something just doesn’t seem quite ‘right’ about this whole affair.


32 posted on 09/26/2007 9:18:34 AM PDT by Badeye (You know its a kook site when they ban the word 'kook')
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To: CaliGirl

I agree that it’s odd that NV didn’t report this right away.


33 posted on 09/26/2007 1:47:19 PM PDT by RDTF (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, but Democrats believe every day is April 15th. - Reagan)
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To: jwparkerjr
"Those ELT’s are designed to take quite a beating and keep on beeping. I wouldn’t think there’s enough mass in his single engine aircraft to destroy an ELT even if it hit the ground a full speed. I would sooner think he failed to test the ELT and when it was really needed it wasn’t available. There’s not a lot you can do to test them, but the battery is one area that needs to be checked regularly."

There are tests to check ELT function, I have done them many times on annual aircraft inspections. The failure rate was rather high, IMHO.

The ELT won't transmit far without the external antenna attached. A violent crash would likely strip the antenna off the turtle deck. Also, it is very possible the aircraft did not have an ELT on board. It is legal to log one out of the aircraft for maintenance. Anyone seen the acft maint logs?

The general aviation ELTs are not as robust in their construction as the "black boxes" used in transport category aircraft. Those commercial units will survive horrendous crash forces, unlike the little GA transmitters.
34 posted on 09/26/2007 6:05:57 PM PDT by wrench
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To: Aeronaut

ping


35 posted on 09/26/2007 7:05:24 PM PDT by raygun (Boy that Catch-22 is a pretty big catch. Yep, its the best that there is.)
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To: wrench
Good information, especially about the antenna coming loose in a crash.

That’s an awful lot of area to have to search. I remember being involved in search for a small plane that disappeared in a thunderstorm near Greenville, AL, or maybe was Evergeen, way back in the early 60’s. They gave up after a week and it wasn’t found until a couple of years ago when some hunters wandered across the wreckage and the remains of those aboard. The woods up there are such that if the plane goes in anything like vertical the trees just swallow it up and it’s very difficult to see it from the air.

My prayers go out for him, but I fear with the passing of time he’s out of luck.

36 posted on 09/26/2007 7:29:45 PM PDT by jwparkerjr (Sigh . . .)
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37 posted on 09/27/2007 7:46:14 AM PDT by Aeronaut (Hebrews 13:4)
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To: shield; jwparkerjr
I don't know about the "perfect sense" part, after all, he says "lying VFR", and that made me think he might be controller meat--prejudiced against all us VFR-squawking secondary returns (i.e., not keepers at all) that have told ourselves we should listen to 'em, even if we don't want to talk to 'em, just in case we should have be forced by the moments of sheer terror to have to talk to 'em, while otherwise putterin' along enjoying the 3-D beauty of nature or getting somewhere quickly--or slowly.

Just kidding... I know it was probably his f'n key that was all worn out and doesn't work anymore.

HF, CFII, SEL, MEL

38 posted on 09/27/2007 9:14:28 AM PDT by holden
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To: holden
Oops! That’s what I get for not reading back over my post very carefully. Yes, I did indeed mean ‘flying vfr”!

I am not all prejudiced against VFR-squawking sources of secondary returns. Although I thought if you were squawking anything, have and using a transponder, that you would not be a secondary return.

Thanks for doing the dirty work of editing that I failed to do!

39 posted on 09/27/2007 9:23:10 AM PDT by jwparkerjr (Sigh . . .)
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To: Badeye
I agree that this is a strange story. With that many people looking I would have expected them to find him or the wreckage by now. It’s like he took off and vanished into thin air. Alien abduction? Maybe the liked his semi-antique flying machine and had to take him to get it!
40 posted on 09/27/2007 9:27:26 AM PDT by jwparkerjr (Sigh . . .)
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