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Zimbabwe runs out of bread
Guardian Unlimited ^ | October 1, 2007 | Chris McGreal

Posted on 10/01/2007 7:08:53 PM PDT by george76

Harare admits land reform has failed as the deadline passes for the last white farmers to leave their land.

Zimbabwe's bakeries have shut and supermarkets have warned there will be no bread for the foreseeable future as the government admitted that wheat production had collapsed following the seizure of white-owned farms.

The agricultural ministry announcement that the wheat harvest is only about a third of what is required, and that imports are held up by lack of hard currency, came as a deadline passed today for the last white farmers to leave their land or face prosecution for trespass.

The maize harvest is expected to be equally dire and price controls to contain hyperinflation have emptied the stores of most other foodstuffs...

Last week, the government said it plans to import 100,000 tonnes of wheat but acknowledged that a shipment of 35,000 tonnes was held up in Mozambique because of a shortage of hard currency to pay for it.

The agriculture minister, Rugare Gumbo, has blamed the food shortages on black farmers who have taken over formerly white-owned land.

"I am painfully aware of the widespread theft of stock, farm produce, irrigation equipment and the general vandalism of infrastructure by our new farmers," ...

"I am disappointed that our new farmers have proved to be failures since the start of the land reform programme in 2000..."

The ministry of agriculture has also blamed electricity shortages...

The power shortages are likely to continue. Mozambique has reduced electricity supplies to Zimbabwe because of a $35m... unpaid bill...

Zimbabwe, once the world's second largest exporter of tobacco, has also seen production of its main cash crop nosedive...

(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: africa; bringbackiansmith; gloriesofcommunism; majorityrule; mugabe; racerelations; robertmugabe; socialism; southernafrica; starvation; zimbabwe
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To: george76

Paging Mr. Bono. Paging Mr. Geldorf. Please come to the courteousy phone...


51 posted on 10/01/2007 9:15:54 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: uncbob
is happy now that Blacks will starve

How did you reach that conclusion? I haven't read any post here
that makes such an inference. Could you be specific?


MaxMax.

52 posted on 10/01/2007 9:19:33 PM PDT by MaxMax (God Bless America)
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To: george76; AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...

Thanks George76. This is what happened because Mugabe was permitted to crust all opposition.


54 posted on 10/01/2007 9:47:06 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Wednesday, September 27, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Comparative Advantage

New Orleans has it’s problems but to compare it to Zimbabwe is completely idiotic, even in jest.


55 posted on 10/01/2007 9:50:20 PM PDT by BBell
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To: crazyshrink

New Zimbabwe recipe
Mugabe stew
Take a pound of nothing and mix it with 2 tablespoons of nothing and add a pinch of nothing.
Dinner is served. Serves everyone in Zimbabwe except Mugabe and friends (who are probably eating foie gras and truffles)


56 posted on 10/01/2007 10:15:55 PM PDT by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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To: Fred Nerks

Thanks for your favorite Z story.

Putting non farmers on a farm hoping that they can learn to farm is silly.

Plus all the other stuff.


57 posted on 10/01/2007 10:38:08 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: crazyshrink

Modified recipe.

Corn Meal with Pumpkin (Zimbabwean Nhopi 2007)
serves 1/4

Steal 1 tablespoon corn meal from neighbor. If not available, try using bark or weeds.

Sugar has been deleted from this recipe due to unavailability.

2 cups water, preferably from middle of puddle to minimize scum and mud

1 teaspoon peanut butter if available (may substitute dirt)

A piece of rotten pumpkin if you can find or steal it

Salt to taste

Secretly heat the water in the sun, and put in the corn meal, bark or weeds. Maintain a watch for starving people who may try to take your food by force.

Stir frequently, until it’s softened a bit. Don’t waste too much time on this. Someone may see you.

Next, stir in the rotten pumpkin bit, if you have it.

Then add the peanut butter (dirt) and salt. Combine all ingredients.

Drink any pumpkin water. Serve immediately with several blades of grass.


58 posted on 10/01/2007 11:11:48 PM PDT by Luke Skyfreeper
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To: crazyshrink
A recipe for Mugabe

You forgot to add the pureed Gumbo.

59 posted on 10/02/2007 12:02:53 AM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: george76

Is there no one in Zimbabwe who will off Mugabe?


60 posted on 10/02/2007 12:31:51 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: george76; rusty millet; happygrl; Dominick; cricket; americanbychoice3; padre35; Fiddlstix; WLR; ...

Africa pinglist ping.


61 posted on 10/02/2007 2:00:51 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Comparative Advantage

And here it comes.....


62 posted on 10/02/2007 2:01:45 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: MaxMax
There is definitely a level of smugness coming from many of the posts, including yours.

If not a '[you] told them so' attitude, it is still very petty to crow over and over that 'this is the consequence of kicking out 'whitey''.

If the European descended Zimbabweans remained in power, and if they kept control over most of Zimbabwe's arable land, Zimbabweans might (probably) not be starving en masse today. Yet it is disgusting that on so many of these Zimbabwe threads that the main trust of so many posts is that the European descended Zimbabweans should not have be expelled from power rather than it is bad that people are starving to death, are being oppressed by a tyrannical regime, and their country is descending toward chaos.

63 posted on 10/02/2007 2:17:41 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

If the European descended Zimbabweans remained in power, Zimbabweans might (probably) not be starving en masse today.....Rhodesians would NOT be starving en masse today. Fixed it for you.


64 posted on 10/02/2007 2:33:43 AM PDT by Safetgiver (So simple, even a Muslim can do it.)
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To: george76; blam; Cincinatus' Wife; sarcasm; happygrl; Byron_the_Aussie; robnoel; GeronL; ZOOKER; ...

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65 posted on 10/02/2007 3:08:33 AM PDT by Clive
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To: george76
My favorite Zimbabwe (Rhodesia) story is the stores in the neighborhoods where the middle and upper Govt officials live.

They have everything from Octopus to Steak to varieties of bread, the shelves are packed, a bit pricey at 35,000 a pound for shrimp.

Zimbabwe also is a fascinating look into inflationary pressure and social upheaval, so far, not too much upheaval yet, but a tipping point will be reached sooner or later.

And Zimbabwe is also a good example of what happens when Race becomes the sole criteria for a Govt’s existence, Zimbabwe is sort of the radical left’s paradise, it’s what Detroit would be if it were a state.

66 posted on 10/02/2007 5:14:03 AM PDT by padre35 (Conservative in Exile/ No more miller brewing products, pass it on....)
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To: george76
Not one dime of aid. Not one damn dime. None of my taxes, no telethon, nothing. Mugabe deserves this.

Ragnar Danneskjold, your ship is ready.

They removed people from their property, by murder and rape. It was genocide, and nobody in the world cared. There are innocents in Zimbabwe, and I hope they escape.

Frankly until the people kill and eat Mugabe, I don’t have any reason to care. When that happens I will have a reason to cheer.

67 posted on 10/02/2007 6:13:17 AM PDT by Dominick ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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To: padre35
"And Zimbabwe is also a good example of what happens when Race becomes the sole criteria for a Govt’s existence, Zimbabwe is sort of the radical left’s paradise, it’s what Detroit would be if it were a state."

The residents of Detroit are obese from government hand-outs. Detroit would be just like Zimbabwe if the residents had to work for food.

68 posted on 10/02/2007 6:30:59 AM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: george76; Clive

Not a surprise. I wonder where that Cathy Buckle is, who used to write a column from Zim? Was it Clive who used to post her stuff?


69 posted on 10/02/2007 6:45:09 AM PDT by dynachrome (“Third world indigenous medicine for third world illegal aliens!!!”)
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To: george76
Zimbabwe's bakeries have shut and supermarkets have warned there will be no bread for the foreseeable future as the government admitted that wheat production had collapsed following the seizure of white-owned farms.

DUH!

(I'm dismayed that there are really people in this world who are so stupid that they don't understand this! Do you have to be a flippin' moron to be a Socialist/Communist?)

70 posted on 10/02/2007 6:47:50 AM PDT by TChris (Governments don't RAISE money; they TAKE it.)
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To: crazyshrink

Sounds tasty. Will have to try them!


71 posted on 10/02/2007 6:53:08 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (The color blue tastes like the square root of 0?)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
Thank goodness for the multicultural conscience of Free Republic.

Your arrogance is breathtaking.

72 posted on 10/02/2007 6:57:12 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (Don't taze me, bro!!)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

And whose fault is it that the nation of Zimbabwe is under a tyrranical regime and descending into chaos?
(Other than idiots like Carter and other similar commie-pinko-liberal scum, who supported the commie terrorists against Rhodesia?)


73 posted on 10/02/2007 7:06:48 AM PDT by Little Ray (Rudy Guiliani: If his wives can't trust him, why should we?)
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To: dynachrome

I hope like heck she isn’t in Zimbabwe any more.


74 posted on 10/02/2007 7:08:00 AM PDT by Little Ray (Rudy Guiliani: If his wives can't trust him, why should we?)
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To: padre35; BIGLOOK; M. Espinola; Slings and Arrows; jazusamo; PGalt; Congressman Billybob; ...

Under communism, the elites always have excellent shopping opportunites, housing...

The problem is with the other 95 percent.

Zimbabwe is an excellent example of the Jimmy Carter theories. It may sound great to him and the New York Times, but it will never work.

It is sad that this lesson has to be re-learned so often.

America may have another learning experience soon if Hillarty care returns.


75 posted on 10/02/2007 7:23:52 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: TheyConvictedOglethorpe
"I believe Mr. Gumbo is about to find out he's in the wrong time and place to be named after a food..."

Darn. Beat me to it.

76 posted on 10/02/2007 7:25:13 AM PDT by ProCivitas (Duncan Hunter = Pro-Family + Fair Trade = Pro-America. www.gohunter08.com)
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To: TChris

” Do you have to be a flippin’ moron to be a Socialist/Communist? “

Yes...unless one is part of the elite 5 percent.


77 posted on 10/02/2007 7:28:42 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76
Yes...unless one is part of the elite 5 percent.

What's funny is, even most of the "elite" in an authoritarian Socialist/Communist regime don't have the standard of living that middle-class Americans enjoy. As a result of Socialism, the whole country lacks. Even the top is lower than it could be.

Liberty and free-market economics make everyone more wealthy.

78 posted on 10/02/2007 7:33:34 AM PDT by TChris (Governments don't RAISE money; they TAKE it.)
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To: ConservaTexan

“I am painfully aware of the widespread theft of stock, farm produce, irrigation equipment and the general vandalism of infrastructure by our new farmers,” he said.
Classic.”

There is a reason why there are EMPLOYERS and EMPLOYEEEES.

Some people can be self employed- which is exactly what a farmer/rancher is, and why some people can barely hold a job.


79 posted on 10/02/2007 7:44:50 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: george76
"The agriculture minister, Rugare Gumbo, has blamed the food shortages on black farmers who have taken over formerly white-owned land. "I am painfully aware of the widespread theft of stock, farm produce, irrigation equipment and the general vandalism of infrastructure by our new farmers," ...

It's almost as though savagery might not be a sound basis for an economy.

80 posted on 10/02/2007 7:45:13 AM PDT by ProCivitas (Duncan Hunter = Pro-Family + Fair Trade = Pro-America. www.gohunter08.com)
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To: TChris

You are exactly correct.

Not only does the average middle class American have a higher standard of economic living and health care, the individual political freedom are even more important.

The elites are a step away from ruin all the time. If the boss is not happy, they disappear. Thus the temporary elevation can and is often very short.


81 posted on 10/02/2007 7:45:23 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: TChris; padre35
Good points.

[The elite] have everything from Octopus to Steak to varieties of bread, the shelves are packed,

So does the Wal-Mart near my house, which caters to the lower classes. Live lobsters, wild salmon, prime steaks, exotic fruits, fresh fancy breads... plenty for everyone. Too pricy? one can make a rather nice dinner for two for $2.

Even the high-budget fancy grocery store near my work offers a nice mix of salmon, tuna, tilapia, etc. chunks for a paltry $2/lb.

Of course, all this is limited to the "elite" of tyrranies. Not quite sure why the tyrants don't just cash in & move somewhere nice where they can get by much better than our "poor".

82 posted on 10/02/2007 8:01:14 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (The color blue tastes like the square root of 0?)
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To: ConservaTexan
""I am painfully aware of the widespread theft of stock, farm produce, irrigation equipment and the general vandalism of infrastructure by our new farmers," he said.
Classic.

Classic death wish.

83 posted on 10/02/2007 8:02:07 AM PDT by norton
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To: Red Badger
Thugs on tractors aren’t exactly farmers
84 posted on 10/02/2007 8:09:46 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: ctdonath2
They cannot move to another country because the ledger balance would shift from “Elite” to “Huddled Masses” and then they would have to live like they are forcing other people to live.

I always wondered about countries like Zimbabwe (Rhodesia) when the collapse happens, why they don’t switch to a free market wide open economic models?

I know the reason “why” of course, it’s just a pity that the “new” Govt has to tax to raise money to pay the secret police to oppress anyone who might threaten the “new” Govt’s existence...a truly vicious cycle.

85 posted on 10/02/2007 8:10:43 AM PDT by padre35 (Conservative in Exile/ No more miller brewing products, pass it on....)
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To: Comparative Advantage
YEP, WHITEYS FAULT.

Just ask Hillary the next wannabe black woman communist president of the renamed Socialist Republic of the Americas with it’s satellite capitol in Mexico City, DF.

86 posted on 10/02/2007 8:17:02 AM PDT by OKIEDOC (Kalifornia, a red state wannabe. I don't take Ex Lax I just read the New York Times.)
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To: MaxMax

Please reread my post


87 posted on 10/02/2007 8:22:50 AM PDT by uncbob (m first)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
Zimbabwe's economic problems are likely to be compounded by a law passed last week that compels many publicly owned companies, including foreign firms, to sell a majority of their equity to black Zimbabweans.

Critics say the legislation amounts to expropriation because it effectively forces the companies to hand over half of their value by taxing them to raise the money to "buy" the 51% stake for black investors approved by the government.

The government has ignored the protests of some foreign investors, including South African banks and mining houses. With the collapse of tobacco production, mining is now the country's largest source of foreign currency.

Zimbabwe's minister of indigenisation, Paul Mangwana, said those companies that do not like it can "pack their bags and go".

"If they feel that we went into the bush [to fight against white rule] for them to enjoy our wealth then they can leave. We are talking about the total liberation of this country. I have no apologies for that," he said.

Not so much the kicking out whitey that is the cause of our smugness, it is the fine example of a workers revolution smashing capitalism and the consequences. I'm reminded of Atlas shrugged when the lights go out in the cities.

88 posted on 10/02/2007 8:35:03 AM PDT by listenhillary (millions crippled by the war on poverty....but we won't pull out)
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To: Fred Nerks
reminds me of my favourite Zimbabwe story...when the ‘veterans’ first began to take over the farms, one native set himself up in a shack on 400 acres and planted a patch of corn...

but a few weeks later, along came another ‘veteran’ who also wanted to build a little shack and plant some corn on the same 400 acres...

when ‘veteran’ two wouldn’t leave, ‘veteran’ one shot him.

Dang, I'll have to re-write that tale in the style of Joel Chandler Harris. (Sample: "By-um-by, anutha Vet'rin come along. De firs' Vet'rin, he grip his rifle and lay low, and he doan say nuttin!")

89 posted on 10/02/2007 8:49:57 AM PDT by Charles Martel (The Tree of Liberty thirsts.)
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To: george76
What to say? A poisonous mixture of neo-Marxism, anti-colonialism (if the two can be separated at all anymore) and racial politics has ruined a beautiful country.

People are going to starve no matter how much aid is promised or even delivered. That would have happened anyway due to impossible economic damage but starvation is now a tacit state policy as well. These are the hostages to our own goodwill and human compassion - show us enough babies with swollen bellies and the West will come across as it always does. It does not appear to be ironic even to the thugocracy that the principal product of a country that once fed its neighbors is now or will be shortly pictures of starving children.

I shall find it difficult to watch - the victims do not "deserve" this and are the very last to be able to do anything about it. They are by a large minority young, black and poor. The talk, the politics, the incessant rhetoric has been all race but it was never really about race underneath, it was about a Western party tribalism that has grafted itself onto the existing ethnic tribalism that is the curse of Africa. Race has been the tool used by the cynical to manipulate the credulous, many of which (especially in South Africa) still refuse to admit that for the fear that it might necessitate a reassessment of their own accession to power. It ought to, but it won't. Wealth is transient, self-righteousness is permanent.

The West - I am speaking of the EU, Canada, the United States, the usual suspects - will not allow this to happen although it will happen anyway. Part of the reason is human compassion that is perfectly legitimate. A darker part is shared politics. There is in many Western political enthusiasts the same drive toward Marxian tribalism, forced collectivism, "social justice" that is neither just nor social, and rule by a self-proclaimed elite that is precisely what led Zimbabwe down its present road to disaster. If Zim has arrived first it is only because there was less there to steal. That is now gone.

To be blunt, the thugs in Zimbabwe will be in power long after Mugabe has departed the scene, and they will be kept that way by Western compassion and political sympathizers. The best of many evils is for those of us in the West to deny those sympathizers the power to prolong the hideous social experiment that is Zimbabwe. That is our best option, and still the people will starve. This dilemma is the fruit of Marx and at this point we're stuck with it.

90 posted on 10/02/2007 9:37:26 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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related...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1904849/posts


91 posted on 10/02/2007 10:47:59 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

This is horrible for the poor folks of Zim....does it take death by starvation to rid this country of that monster, their so-called leader? Other African nations must step in and help those people. Not that joke of a government, but the people...


92 posted on 10/02/2007 12:29:23 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: TChris

Sure, the end justifies the means. Makes perfect sense to someone trying to establish a society based on man being basically good and if only given the equal wages of others...ad nauseam...


93 posted on 10/02/2007 12:45:08 PM PDT by Right_Rev (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke)
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To: shield

Many folks have already fled Z for South Africa. These workers send money home to Z as a short term fix.

Many expect this flood to SA to increase.

The only real long term solution is for other African nations to recognize that socialism and communism do not work.

Z use to be and can be again the bread basket of Africa. They were easily be able to feed themselves and export the surpluses.


94 posted on 10/02/2007 1:00:07 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76
Of course, these African nations need to understand that. There are African nations whose leaders are Christian and most of those citizens are now Christians. Those countries are flourishing. Economy is great, great jobs, and so forth.

Yet, this is an African problem and Africans need to take care of it. Whites brought great things to this continent...many African nations NO longer welcome whites...so I consider this no longer our problem...so let African nations solve this problem. They need to step up to the plate...and show the world they can solve their own problems without us/whites.

Didn't that Zim leader pocket lots of the monies? That seems to be the MO of these types of so-called leaders.

95 posted on 10/02/2007 1:18:13 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: george76
"Zimbabwe runs out of bread"

Pretty soon Minister Gumbo himself may be on the menu, so to speak.

Socialism, under whatever guise, is morally and practically indistinguishable from cannibalism.

96 posted on 10/02/2007 1:31:35 PM PDT by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism.)
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To: shield

Didn’t that Zim leader pocket lots of the monies?

I believe yes.

Like the former dictators from Haiti; he may have a French Villa and Swiss bank accounts.


97 posted on 10/02/2007 1:55:28 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76
The government's admission that the land redistribution has failed to deliver the promised boost to food production coincides with a deadline for the last white farmers to vacate their land. The farms were nationalised last year and the handover to the state was set for today.

The double whammy of communism and racism have failed. Hmmm—that's odd! In theory...
/sarc off

98 posted on 10/02/2007 2:30:59 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (America: “the most benign hegemon in history.”—Mark Steyn)
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To: lakey
Mandated for use in schools, not in homes. The British in India taught English and that common language allowed communication throughout the country, a country with over 400 dialects.

And it's now allowing Indians to take American call-center jobs.

99 posted on 10/02/2007 2:36:44 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (America: “the most benign hegemon in history.”—Mark Steyn)
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To: Trailerpark Badass
Your arrogance is breathtaking.

You could understand his grammar well enough to draw that conclusion? Wow.

100 posted on 10/02/2007 2:42:59 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (America: “the most benign hegemon in history.”—Mark Steyn)
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