Posted on 10/06/2007 11:30:02 PM PDT by Son of Dis
At Columbia University on Monday, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad declared: “We don’t have homosexuals like in your country. We don’t have that in our country. We don’t have this phenomenon; I don’t know who’s told you we have it.”
If there were any truth to this – and there is none – it would be because because the Islamic regime in Iran had killed them, since homosexuality can be a capital crime in that country. One notorious case occurred on July 19, 2005, when two teenage boys, Mahmoud Asgari, 14, and Ayaz Marhoni, 16, were hanged in a particularly brutal manner in Iran for the crime of homosexual activity. Although Iranian officials insisted that the death sentence was for the rape of a third boy, the National Council of Resistance of Iran, has said otherwise. But Asgari and Marhoni were not alone. According to the Iranian gay and lesbian rights group Homan, the Iranian government has put to death an estimated 4,000 homosexuals since 1980. According to Scott Long, director of the Human Rights Watch Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Rights Program, Iranians who are suspected of being gay commonly face torture. Hossein Alizadeh of the International Gay and Lesbian Human Rights Commission said Iran gays live with “constant fear of execution and persecution and also social stigma associated with homosexuality.”
This is true not only in Iran, but in all too many areas of the Islamic world. The Qur’an characterizes those who “practice your lusts on men in preference to women” as “transgressing beyond bounds” (7:81). A hadith pronounces “the curse of Allah” upon those who engage in homosexual activity. A contemporary Muslim writer, Shaykh Abdul-Azeez Al-Fawzaan, called homosexuality “one of the most sinful acts known to humankind” and said that it was “evidence of perverted instincts, total collapse of shame and honor, and extreme filthiness of character and soul.”
Legal views on punishment vary. Among the Sunni schools of Islamic jurisprudence (madhahib), the Hanafi school mandates a severe beating for the first offense, and the death penalty for a repeat offender. The Shafi’i school calls for 100 lashes for an unmarried homosexual, death by stoning for a married one. The Hanbali school requires stoning across the board. Muhammad, the prophet of Islam, directed his followers to “kill the one who sodomizes and the one who lets it be done to him” (‘Umdat al-Salik, p17.3).
In many areas these injunctions are still followed. The Islamic Penal Law Against Homosexuals in Iran calls for the death penalty for sodomy and one hundred lashes for lesbianism for the first three offenses, with death for the fourth offense. Homosexuality is a capital offense not only in Iran, but also in Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Yemen and Mauritania. In Malaysia, it can draw a twenty-year prison sentence, and is illegal also in Afghanistan, Algeria, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Bosnia, Egypt, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Malaysia, Morocco, Oman, Pakistan, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Tunisia, Turkmenistan, the United Arab Emirates, and Uzbekistan, among others.
Of course, Afghanistan under the Taliban regime drew international attention for killing gays by toppling walls onto them. Pakistani law mandates two years in prison for homosexual activity, but the traditional Islamic penalties of lashing and stoning are still widely popular. When authorities in the United Arab Emirates arrested twenty-six men whom they accused of participating in a mass gay wedding – with twelve dressed as grooms and twelve as brides, plus a disc jockey and a man who was to perform the wedding ceremony – in November 2005, they announced plans to subject the men not only to lashings and jail time, but also to hormone treatments.
In light of all this, the silence of campus gay rights groups and the so-called “progressive” Left generally about the global efforts by Islamic jihadists to impose Islamic Sharia law is appallingly short-sighted. While they attack Christians, who are not calling for gays to be imprisoned or killed under any circumstances, they say nothing about a genuine threat to their survival. While they attack Israel, a gay-friendly country, they are silent about the murder of gays in Islamic Iran.
The late columnist Cathy Seipp recounted a telling incident in March 2006, when a friend of hers went into San Francisco’s City Lights bookstore and asked for a copy of the late and much-missed Oriana Fallaci’s The Force of Reason. “We don’t carry books by fascists,” sniffed the clerk, prompting Seipp to muse: “Strangest of all is the scenario of such a person disliking an author for defending Western civilization against radical Islam -- when one of the first things those poor, persecuted Islamists would do, if they ever (Allah forbid) came to power in the U.S., is crush suspected homosexuals like him beneath walls.”
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Why do we not hear of homosexuals protesting Islam?
...if I applaud after reading this, am I bigot or an open minded Columbia student?
Would seem like alot of folks would think about the impact of having Sharia law around...and its not just Christians in nature.
Because the people they entrust to protect their rights don't really care about them or inform them of real threats....their goal is to keep this country divided...bring down our culture and our way of living and bring themselves to more power.
"But we reserve the right to develop some—for self-defense, of course."
Do you know any democrats who agree with this muzzie way of dealing with homos? After all, the democrats so desparetly seek to understand them. This is how the “Reality Based Community” feels is the true way to world wide peace. So for democrats to achieve peace with muzzies they must sacrafice their homos to stoning and hanging. Im sure Blackwater and Haliburton would gladly help with this homo issue.
It’s ok, Obama will talk to him.
Really something the various constituencies within the Democratican party should keep in mind, as they assail the policies of the Bush Administration in taking the fight to the Islamofacists.
There is absolutely ZERO tolerance in the Islamic world for many of the behaviors that may be frowned upon, but grudgingly permitted, throughout most of “Western” culture. A surprising amount of the taboos that the Muslims abide by have to do with sexual shame, and almost an equal number have to do with diet. The habits taken for granted in most Western cultures (free intermingling of the two sexes, consumption of alcohol, body displays, flaunting of individual lifestyles, some kinds of conspicuous consumption), long considered to be “freedom”, are absolutely forbidden under Islamic rule, and the enforcement of these bans often results in removal of body parts to the point of total mutilation or death. Long imprisonment for even relatively small infractions is not out of the question. This is coupled with torture that would revolt even the most sadistic of Westerners. And WAY beyond anything the US has ever been accused of.
Great wealth, of course, is accorded some flexibility of these rules, but great wealth is not a common state for most individuals in the Islamic world, and most of that is held in tight check by the rules of inheritance and along family lines.
The major point is that he's obviously lying. And, if he's lying about the this issue, then how can I (or anyone else for that matter) believe him in the context of his intentions with Nuclear Energy?
Some things can't be made up.
I've been saying the same thing for over a decade.
If only I was 2000 years old on paper, people might believe me.
...tumbleweeds roll by....
Europe is the perfect test case. Lemmings...
Troll sighting!!
Saddam was secular.
And why weren’t any Wahhabist groups in the “Axis of Evil?”
So what? Regarding the "gay issue" (which is the topic here) he didn't differ from other Islamic regimes. Homosexuals and prostitutes were beheaded in public under Saddam. Secular means crock. Saddam's regime was secular only in the very beginning in the late 1970's/early 1980's. With the war against Iran he promoted Islam for propaganda (Arab Islam vs. heretic Persians). After Desert Storm, Iraq went through a phase known as Islamization. Saddam built mosques, enforced sharia practices and promoted Islam. Of course a lot of this was only for raising his PR status within the Arab world, but the effects on Iraq weren't different.
And why weren’t any Wahhabist groups in the “Axis of Evil?”
Because this axis was confined to states. Including a Wahhabi state would mean Saudi Arabia. Since the Saudi Government is "officially" our "ally", this was a no-brainer. I get your point, and it's a very good one. The problem is that we have no viable alternative to the royals in Saudi Arabia, except Al-Qaeda themselves, short of totally destroying them. But we have to get thougher on Saudi Arabia witout a doubt.
He was an "equal opportunity" murderer. At least the Democrats approve...
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