Employers can forbid guns, a judge rules

The Tulsa World ^ | Oct. 7, 2007 | David Harper

[dpa5923]

If you want to put up a sign at the front of your business that says, “you no longer have constitutional rights when you cross this line”, your business will be shut down pretty fast. Does that mean your business had that right?

The right to put up that sign. Sure, unless there is some local ordnance that prohibits signs or the wording on the sign.

But if your business wants to put up that sign it can. Can it enforce the provisions on the sign? Of course not. But this discussion was never about a business removing constitutional rights. You do not have a constitutional right to trespass. If I tell you to get off the property that I have possessory control over, you either get off or you are a trespasser.

Your right to keep and bear arms is not infringed nor is your right to freedom of speech or press. Freedom of speech or the right to keep and bear arms does not give you or anyone else freedom to come on my property (as an employer or a private citizen). Sorry, but that's the law...

Does your business have the right to establish slavery in light of the 14th amendment?

Of course not because slavery is strictly prohibited by the 14th amendment and kidnapping or false imprisonment is illegal by statute and common law. If you trespass, my remedies are limited. Your intentional tort of trespass does not grant me the right to commit intentional torts unfettered. If you attempt to leave my private property and I refuse to let you leave, then I am committing a crime.

Why don't you answer one for me, now? Do you think an employer has no recourse if you, as an employee< comes to work at the employers place of business and begin handing out flyers and coupons for the employers leading competitor to customers and fellow employees?

If he fires you, isn't he infringing on your right to free speech (of course he isn't but I am curious how you can demand the right to carry a weapon onto someone else's property with out the property owners consent but could argue that an employee could not pass out literature at work including coupons and flyers for the competitor)?

[Kevmo]

But this discussion was never about a business removing constitutional rights.
***Wrong. The right to keep & BEAR arms is in the constitution. Every time I bring the discussion around to the removal of other constitutional rights, you sidestep.

I’m done here. I will not engage in a spitting contest with a snake. This is a constitutional forum, the issue at the title is a constitutional issue, and you’re arguing some idiotic semantics. Have fun on absolutists-R-us.com.

[dpa5923]

I see you dodged the question.

This is an issue of law. The constitution does not list all of our rights and just because a right is not listed does not mean it is less important. (See the 9th amendment)

Constitutional rights are not violated by application of property rights. Constitutional rights like the right to keep and bear arms and the freedom of speech or press does not grant you unfettered access to my property.

Don’t like my rules, stay off my land. Thems the rules, and thats the law.