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The American Dream turns into a debtor's nightmare (for illegals)
LA Times ^ | October 8, 2007 | Jennifer Delson and and Christopher Goffard

Posted on 10/08/2007 8:54:00 AM PDT by LNewman

Soledad Aviles dreamed for years of owning a home, with a plot of land where he could grow corn and chiles as he did in his native Mexico. So he felt blessed last year when he learned he could buy a three-bedroom, single-story stucco house on West La Verne Avenue in Santa Ana.

Referred to a local loan broker by a trusted friend, he borrowed the entire purchase price of $615,000 from Washington Mutual at a high interest rate typical of sub-prime loans. The monthly payment, as he says he understood it, would be $3,600 -- steep for a glass cutter who made $9 an hour -- but Aviles counted on his wife and three of his six daughters, who also worked low-paying jobs, to contribute.

"We took out our pencils, figured out our take-home pay and figured out that if we all pitched in, it would work," said Aviles, 54, a stoop-shouldered, soft-spoken man with a sixth-grade education from Mexico.

Relying on the broker's word, he signed loan documents written in English, a language he neither speaks nor reads, Aviles said. He was shocked to learn afterward that the monthly payment would not be $3,600, but $4,800 -- a price that forced him to rent out bedrooms, the garage and an enclosed porch while he and his wife slept on the couch. He fed his family with food from friends and corn he grew.

... The state Department of Real Estate, nonprofits and the Mexican consulate also have reported a rise in mortgage complaints, many of them from homeowners saying they signed documents they didn't understand.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Mexico; US: California
KEYWORDS: aliens; century21; crimaliens; foreignspeculators; frauds; housing; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; washingtonmutual
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To: calex59
It IS fraud. And this is who the Democrats want to bail out. Oh and us American chumps, who would never dream of lying to the bank or a lender are supposed to make good the subprime industry's losses on that fraud. They can all go to hell!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

41 posted on 10/08/2007 9:44:56 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: LADY J
"a trusted friend"

What's Spanish for "straw purchase"?

42 posted on 10/08/2007 9:47:13 AM PDT by pierrem15 (Charles Martel: past and future of France)
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To: LNewman

What kind of idiot lends $650,000 to someone making $360 a week?


43 posted on 10/08/2007 9:49:02 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: 2banana
When illegals are buying $600,000 houses making $9/hour - we are in the biggest housing bubble in the history of the world...

Bears repeating!

44 posted on 10/08/2007 9:50:27 AM PDT by packrat35 (PIMP my Senate. They're all a bunch of whores anyway!)
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To: goldstategop
There's a different standard for the $219,000 condo I bought even though I had the means to put a down payment on it and I'm an American. At times I feel I am not treated with respect in my own country.

Nice, isn't it? These criminals repeatedly break the law -multiple laws- and get a pity party.

I still can't understand why a lender would hand over that much money to people the have no possible way to pay it back.

45 posted on 10/08/2007 9:52:08 AM PDT by NativeSon (off the Rez without a pass...)
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To: LNewman

Wait until it says, “...predominently Latino Beverly Hills...”


46 posted on 10/08/2007 9:52:32 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
I'd like to ask a lender how they gave so much to someone who doesn't even have a credit record, let alone credit cards? I have a good credit record and I was turned down by the local bank for a mortgage loan. I eventually got one from Countrywide, no thanks to the bank. So how do illegals get that much money without sufficient assets upfront to cover the entire loan?

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

47 posted on 10/08/2007 9:53:21 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: w1andsodidwe
My sister sold her basic 4 bedroom, 2 1/2 bath corner lot with pool for $75,0000 to Hispanic immigrants. The house is now being sold by the bank and no taxes have been paid since she sold it.

Oops, that was $750,000 not $75,0000.

48 posted on 10/08/2007 9:53:59 AM PDT by w1andsodidwe (Jimmy Carter allowed radical Islam to get a foothold in Iran.)
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To: w1andsodidwe
If I'd known money was no object, I'd have bought a $4 million estate here in Colorado and sent the bill to the taxpayers.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

49 posted on 10/08/2007 9:57:20 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Barney Gumble

How about adding racist stereotyping to the list; he’s a reputed gardener and his daughter’s a fictional housemaid?


50 posted on 10/08/2007 9:57:23 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: furquhart

And what kind of moron lends it to him?

A crook


51 posted on 10/08/2007 10:01:47 AM PDT by freekitty ((May the eagles long fly over our beautiful and free American sky.))
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To: spectre
"OTOH, there are two sets of laws in our land. One for US Citizens and another for Illegals..It's disgusting.

Agreed! All this financial glad-handing of illegals is coming home to roost with the chile peppers, corn, tamales, etc.

Remember all those glowing articles not so long ago about "Hispanics" transforming the housing market?

52 posted on 10/08/2007 10:06:58 AM PDT by LNewman (EAGLES UP!)
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To: Barney Gumble

The application lists their yearly income as $157,000, when, according to Aviles, it was really closer to $60,000


Sounds like jail time for fraud, probably including the broker who told the borrowers to lie.


53 posted on 10/08/2007 10:08:10 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed ("We do have tough gun laws in Massachusetts; I support them, I won't chip away at them" -Mitt Romney)
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To: goldstategop

This was probably a mortgage broker who falsified the application before sending it to his investor pool. All the investor saw was the borrower was going to be paying a higher interest rate and on paper it was a good investment.


54 posted on 10/08/2007 10:10:13 AM PDT by LetsRok
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To: Hydroshock; ex-Texan

ping


55 posted on 10/08/2007 10:11:20 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: CodeToad
“Multiple familes pay one property tax but use the sewers and streets and schools.”

What makes you think they’re using the sewers? Has something changed?

56 posted on 10/08/2007 10:12:31 AM PDT by RavenATB
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To: Old Professer
Wait until it says, “...predominently Latino Beverly Hills...”

But think of all that fresh corn ... and chile peppers ... right outside their back doors!

57 posted on 10/08/2007 10:20:32 AM PDT by LNewman (EAGLES UP!)
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To: NativeSon
From my experience, if I wanted to falsify my income for the purpose of a mortgage, I would need the support of others to pull this off.

Yes, but you are not an illegal alien.
58 posted on 10/08/2007 10:23:31 AM PDT by advance_copy (Stand for life, or nothing at all)
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To: LNewman
Desperately ill from kidney disease and unable to work for the last year, he sits dejectedly at the dining room table, wondering when the bank will kick him out.

So, it wouldn't have mattered even if his payments remained at $3,600 per month. Unable to work for the last year due to kidney disease is the real reason he's being kicked out and has nothing to do with the mean mortgage company.

59 posted on 10/08/2007 10:30:07 AM PDT by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: LNewman

I took a lot of heat here at FR a year ago when I pointed out that the coming subprime meltdown was an illegal alien problem. I repeated it again in March when the subprime fiasco started to ease into the news.

For elucidation, and with a little smug “I told you so”, I am reposting it below. Pretty damn well on the mark - even to the housing price numbers. I will await your attaboy replies.

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To: A. Pole
Gotta hand it to the MSM, the WSJ, the Chamber of Commerce, the Fed, the banks, the White House, the Congress, and all the rest of the usual suspects.

These mortgages go to someone. They have a mailing address. By artful writing and punditry, the picture has been painted that the people who got these subprime loans are poor folks or dumb boomers who re-financed to buy their new Volvo and swimming pool.

Those cases are few. Those mortgages issued in the last several years that are now facing foreclosure have gone to illegal aliens, landlords who rent to illegal aliens, and minorities who have lost jobs to illegal aliens, especially African-Americans in the trades and services industries. The common thread - illegal aliens.

The distribution of subprimes going into foreclosure closely matches the concentrations of illegal aliens - California, the southwest border states, the southeast states, metro areas like Denver. Many of these mortgages were granted to buyers with no SS number or a stolen number or just a taxpayer ID number (ITIN). Who is that group? Not blacks; not boomers. Not even speculators. Who’s left? You figure.

Some common scenarios: An illegal, actively recruited by banks or mortgage lenders, buys a house, often an expensive house ($600,000). If he can’t qualify, he gets other illegals added to the mortgage until they qualify. Or a profiteering landlord buys a house with the intent of setting up a dorm house for illegals. With 10-20 illegals crowded in at $300-400 rent, he makes a tidy profit even with a big mortgage payment.

Like Ponzi, it was great for everybody. The realtors (often Hispanic themselves) made big commissions. The underwriters and brokers took their cut and moved on. The banks made big profits on the high interest. So did the REIT and funds managers. The landlords also did well on rents and house appreciation.

Then the housing bubble burst. The illegal renters started losing work and were evicted. The teaser rates and balloons expired. The landlords couldn’t service the mortgage and/or with lowering values the mortgages went upside down so it was easy to walk away and foreclose.

But that’s not the big story. It’s how effective the cabal of power brokers from the White House, the Chamber of Commerce, the MSM, the Congress, the banks, the CEOs, and the unions have covered up this causality so that they can get amnesty and open borders rammed through to guarantee an unending supply of cheap alien labor.

They know that if the connection between illegal alien hordes and the subprime collapse and the damage to the economy worse than the Savings & Loan scandal of the 1980’s, the people will be outraged and demand we close the borders.

Can’t have that. Let’s keep the sheeple in the dark. They’ll be the suckers paying for it in the end with lost jobs and higher taxes. The real villians have already made their fortunes.

23 posted on 03/17/2007 7:24:11 PM PDT by oldbill


60 posted on 10/08/2007 10:33:46 AM PDT by oldbill
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