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The American Dream turns into a debtor's nightmare (for illegals)
LA Times ^ | October 8, 2007 | Jennifer Delson and and Christopher Goffard

Posted on 10/08/2007 8:54:00 AM PDT by LNewman

Soledad Aviles dreamed for years of owning a home, with a plot of land where he could grow corn and chiles as he did in his native Mexico. So he felt blessed last year when he learned he could buy a three-bedroom, single-story stucco house on West La Verne Avenue in Santa Ana.

Referred to a local loan broker by a trusted friend, he borrowed the entire purchase price of $615,000 from Washington Mutual at a high interest rate typical of sub-prime loans. The monthly payment, as he says he understood it, would be $3,600 -- steep for a glass cutter who made $9 an hour -- but Aviles counted on his wife and three of his six daughters, who also worked low-paying jobs, to contribute.

"We took out our pencils, figured out our take-home pay and figured out that if we all pitched in, it would work," said Aviles, 54, a stoop-shouldered, soft-spoken man with a sixth-grade education from Mexico.

Relying on the broker's word, he signed loan documents written in English, a language he neither speaks nor reads, Aviles said. He was shocked to learn afterward that the monthly payment would not be $3,600, but $4,800 -- a price that forced him to rent out bedrooms, the garage and an enclosed porch while he and his wife slept on the couch. He fed his family with food from friends and corn he grew.

... The state Department of Real Estate, nonprofits and the Mexican consulate also have reported a rise in mortgage complaints, many of them from homeowners saying they signed documents they didn't understand.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Mexico; US: California
KEYWORDS: aliens; century21; crimaliens; foreignspeculators; frauds; housing; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; washingtonmutual
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To: 1rudeboy

IMO, it’s an intentional misdirection when you title an article “American Dream” and go on to talk about “first generation” immigrants ... uh ... complaining to the Mexican consulate about real estate transactions.


21 posted on 10/08/2007 9:14:36 AM PDT by LNewman (EAGLES UP!)
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To: LNewman
I have always suspected that a great deal of the sub-prime problem in California was caused by the loans to illegals. I think this pretty much confirms it.

My sister sold her basic 4 bedroom, 2 1/2 bath corner lot with pool for $75,0000 to Hispanic immigrants. The house is now being sold by the bank and no taxes have been paid since she sold it.

My own neighborhood has a couple of houses now owned by Hispanics. While I don't have a problem with them living here, the problem is that they are obviously taking in renters to try and make the payments. The number of cars in front of each house is the give away. And these are new cars. I guess they are just living the American dream until they go bankrupt.

22 posted on 10/08/2007 9:14:56 AM PDT by w1andsodidwe (Jimmy Carter allowed radical Islam to get a foothold in Iran.)
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To: LNewman

Not one nickle to bail out this illiterate or Washington Mutual. I’ll bet the property is in lousy shape after he was renting it out, probably to other illegals. How many payments did he make? That important information wasn’t given, but if it wasn’t too many, he can go back to being a renter in Mexifornia without too much damage, and WM can sell the property to another pigeon.


23 posted on 10/08/2007 9:16:26 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: LNewman

I guess his Good Faith Estimate wasn’t all that great.


24 posted on 10/08/2007 9:16:28 AM PDT by rednesss (Fred Thompson - 2008)
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To: LNewman

I didn’t think of that, either. It should be “Mexican Dream,” or “Mexican Dream in America,” at best.


25 posted on 10/08/2007 9:22:36 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: LNewman

26 posted on 10/08/2007 9:22:48 AM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: DManA
Pretty stupid to sign a legal document in a language you don't understand.

Heck, I do that every April 14th...

27 posted on 10/08/2007 9:25:33 AM PDT by Osage Orange (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: Barney Gumble
“Aviles says he was not aware that the February 2006 loan application he signed dramatically exaggerated his family’s income. ...

From my experience, if I wanted to falsify my income for the purpose of a mortgage, I would need the support of others to pull this off.

I know my broker very well and still am required to provide all the proper documentation because he follows the rules.

There may be some sort of fraud going on here but it is against the lenders.

28 posted on 10/08/2007 9:26:08 AM PDT by NativeSon (off the Rez without a pass...)
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To: w1andsodidwe
From last year...

Home-buying program has cash, controversy Undocumented residents being recruited for loans

ACORN. Citibank. Quelle suprise, eh?

29 posted on 10/08/2007 9:26:22 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: 2banana

“When illegals are buying $600,000 houses making $9/hour - we are in the biggest housing bubble in the history of the world...”

In other words: Just who the Hell were the banks turning away???

On another note: Illegal aliens living many families to a single home stress our infrastructure resources. Multiple familes pay one property tax but use the sewers and streets and schools.


30 posted on 10/08/2007 9:26:24 AM PDT by CodeToad
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To: Retired Chemist

>> Will the Democrats bail him out?

Heck no! Not personally.

But you and I will.


31 posted on 10/08/2007 9:27:29 AM PDT by Nervous Tick
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To: LNewman
Its not our fault illegals don't understand our laws and our language. More to the point, illegals shouldn't be allowed to buy property in America, period.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

32 posted on 10/08/2007 9:31:28 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Nervous Tick

Maybe he thought, 620,000 Mexican pesos... a little over $57,000 U.S. I’ll bet if I purchased property in Mexico, the contract would probably be in Spanish.


33 posted on 10/08/2007 9:31:44 AM PDT by Ranger Warrior
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To: 2banana
When illegals are buying $600,000 houses making $9/hour - we are in the biggest housing bubble in the history of the world...

Don't worry, I'm sure the dims will bail out all of those who wanted to live beyond their means. Especially if they are "first generation imigrants"!

34 posted on 10/08/2007 9:33:37 AM PDT by Vasilli22
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To: Barney Gumble
He lied on his loan application, which is a felony. No sane lender would give $615,000 to someone making $60,000 a year. I hope WAMU takes it in the shorts. No wonder the subprime loan industry is going bankrupt.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

35 posted on 10/08/2007 9:34:53 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: LNewman
Relying on the broker's word, he signed loan documents written in English, a language he neither speaks nor reads, Aviles said.

Then he's an absolute idiot. Besides, payments and other dollar amounts are listed in LATIN numbers so he should have seen some of this coming.

36 posted on 10/08/2007 9:36:46 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (False modesty is as great a sin as false pride.)
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To: LNewman
Ask me why I should care about these people?

They all tried to pull a scam. Last home we bought, two years ago, we were still required to produce income tax statements, proof of employment and list all our debts and assets.

OTOH, there are two sets of laws in our land. One for US Citizens and another for Illegals..It's disgusting.

sw

37 posted on 10/08/2007 9:39:20 AM PDT by spectre (spectre's wife (Susan Estrich, "Hillary sucks all the oxygen out of the room".)
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To: Barney Gumble
“Aviles says he was not aware that the February 2006 loan application he signed dramatically exaggerated his family’s income.

I really get ticked at writers who think we should believe this kind of crap. Wasn't aware of his income figures on the loan? Of course he was aware, he lied about his income to get the loan, period. He should be charged with fraud.

38 posted on 10/08/2007 9:40:29 AM PDT by calex59
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To: Tarpon

Sounds like good news - could you please share your county/State so we may use it as an example?


39 posted on 10/08/2007 9:40:53 AM PDT by ASOC (Yeah, well, maybe - but can you *prove* it?)
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To: NativeSon
You don't have to do that with a no doc loan but you still have to state your true income. Its a felony to falsify your true income. I managed to obtain a good no doc loan and I had the income to buy my own place. What infuriates me is I obey the law and I had to jump through hoops to get a conventional loan and illegals get $615,000 subprime loan just like that. There's a different standard for the $219,000 condo I bought even though I had the means to put a down payment on it and I'm an American. At times I feel I am not treated with respect in my own country.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

40 posted on 10/08/2007 9:42:38 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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