Pleistocene, the Earth’s most recent glacial event, ended 10,000 years ago.
Posted on 10/10/2007 7:08:37 PM PDT by Texas Eagle
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RUSH: From Houston up first, this is Shannon, and welcome to the EIB Network. Hello.
CALLER: Sweet southern mega dittos from a longtime listener, Rush. I've been listening to you since 1989, and I'm really proud to talk to you.
RUSH: Thank you very much, sir.
CALLER: I wanted to talk to you really quick about the "hole" in the ozone layer theory and manmade global warming and all of that. My dad works for the national scientific balloon facility in Palestine, Texas, and they are the folks that send down the weather balloons to Antarctica and do a lot of calculations on the weather. I've talked to some of the scientists, and my daughter has talked to some of the scientists that work with my father, and they pretty much say, you know, the hole in the ozone layer being man-made global warming, blah, blah, blah, that's all a myth. But what I'm concerned about -- and I think I know the answer to the question, but I'm going to get you to confirm what I already think -- the runoff that we see in Greenland and all the melting and everything else like that somewhat to me confirms global warming, but I don't think it's manmade.
RUSH: You know, it's just the opposite. Greenland is the new rock concert for global warming. It is where all the politicians go to see water melting and then proclaim global warming. Pelosi was the last to go there, and we have an official climatologist on this program. His name is Dr. Roy Spencer. He is former NASA. He's now at the University of Alabama - Huntsville. When this Greenland stuff started, he sent me a very simple explanation for what this so-called glacier melting and reduction actually is, and it is not warming at all, and it's one of these places that provides pictures that can be taken out of context like words can be taken out of context, to suggest that warming is taking place. Bjorn Lomborg -- who I once interviewed for the Limbaugh Letter, by the way -- have you seen the 15th anniversary issue of the Limbaugh Letter? If you haven't, you need to get hold of one by subscribing. We're getting rave reviews on the 15th anniversary issue of the Limbaugh Letter. Rave reviews. I get notes from people saying, "This made me re-up for two more years, this exceptional issue of this newsletter." It's the largest, the most widely read political newsletter in the country, folks. At any rate -- 800-457-4141, and I will pay myself the $20,000 that commercial just cost, so don't sweat it. One account to the next. (laughing)
Anyway, I'm going to get Dr. Spencer to explain this to me again for you, Shannon. There are just so many myths. But Bjorn Lomborg had a piece in the Washington Post over the weekend and said this crisis over global warming is ridiculous. He said, we could stipulate anything we want. We could stipulate that warming is happening, which everybody thinks it is. We could even stipulate that man's contributing to it. It's not a crisis! In fact, it may lead to a whole lot of good things happening. It's based on the premise: Who are we to say that the climate, as it exists now, is the only climate we can ever have and we must save it or we're dead? That's absurd.
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RUSH: We had a call in the last hour saying, "Wait a minute. Global warming, whatever, maybe it's not manmade, but isn't Greenland melting? How do you explain that?"
I said that our official climatologist here, Dr. Roy Spencer, had explained it to me but it was a long time ago and it's buried in this giant Global Warming Stack over here. So he resent the note to me. Here's what he said. He said, "I've run into people who actually think that ice breaking off of glaciers is a sign of global warming. Nancy Pelosi appears to be one of them. I have to explain to them that as long as snow continues to fall on glaciers, like Greenland or Antarctic ice sheets, those glaciers will slowly continue to flow slowly toward the sea and chunks break off, falling into the ocean. It's very dramatic, but it's completely natural. There are numerous factors here. You know, snow adds added weight. A lot of snow on your roof is a problem, as you well know, whether the world is warming or not. In fact, the colder it is and the snow doesn't melt, the bigger danger you face, if you've got a pile of snow on top of your roof, as you well know. It's the same circumstance here. It's a totally natural thing," and I was dead-on right. It provides people a photo that you can take out of context.
"Oh, look at part of that glacier falling off and breaking off and flowing into the sea! Oh, no, it's melting!"
No, it's not that at all. It's just the opposite, in fact. There's so much damn snow that it's causing weight and then, of course, the floes headed into the warmer water. Any number of things can happen here, but it's not a sign that Greenland is melting, ladies and gentlemen.
Mayhap the first to discovers Greenland were all color blind? LOL!
Exactly. Was there global warming when the Titanic struck the iceberg in 1912? Certainly not.They have always warned of the iceflow in the northern shipping lanes since way before the titanic disaster.
Lief Erickson (son of Eric the Red) discovered Greenland when he was exiled from Iceland. To get more settlers to go with him, he chose Greenland as a contrast to “Iceland” - then later named Vinland (Nova Scotia) to draw more people further west.
But - It WAS warmer when first settled. When the Little Ice Age came in, Greenland turned (back into) an icy wasteland, and the crops and farms utterly failed. Starving out what few survivors were still present. Now, it is back to about the same temps as 1000 AD. About the same as the Roman Warm Period in fact of 500 BC - 200 AD.
Ever wonder why the aircraft that crash landed on Greenland during WWII are now underneath over a hundred feet of ice? And that during what was supposed to be the peak of the warming trend.
True?
Maybe so but I didn’t see it. It sounds like something he’d report on.
Wow, what a scoop! Another scoop will be if he goes back in about 3 months. He can report on how snowpack levels have increased to dangerous levels. And how damn cold it gets in Greenland. Because of global warming.
Yes, mostly. The dynamics are such that the interims are indeterminable by our sciences. But one thing is certain: when an Ice Age comes it comes with a vengeance, and lo, within a very short window, the bird is on the wing.
True?”
Yes - and No. Depends on what time you’re referencing.
Unlike the continental US and Canada - where mile high glaciers covered NY, PA, and NJ as far south as Central Park (several times) and all of New England - European glaciers came north from the Alps and south from the arctic. Norway & Sweden were mountain glacier sources as well.
What part of England was covered? National Geographic says all of Scotland, more than 1/2 of England itself. The seas retreated during the Ice Age, and there was a single peninsula from Denmark all the way to Ireland.
From national geographic website: ‘Yet these early colonizers secured only a temporary foothold in Britain, as Jacobi explains. “Interestingly, radiocarbon dating seems to show that humans, having resettled Britain in the late glacial period, then go away again for several hundred years, when it gets very cold again.”
So it appears humans were cleaned out of Britain one last time, around 12,000 years ago. But they soon returned, hot on the heels of those deer and wild horses. And this time they were there to stay. “
Previously, Ice covered England several times - 12,000; 30,000 years ago; 90,000-100,000 years ago; etc...
I was in Greenland 5 years, 1951-1956!
First two years at Station Nord on the east coast about 350 miles from the North Pole. Lowest temperature I measured was -56.1C. No shipping was able to supply us. Every screw, timber, steel, oil, etc. was flown from Thule Airbase across the ice from the west coast!!
In further southern location I worked, we would see the glaciers constantly breaking off into ocean waters, I think we called it the glaciers are "calfing" or calving;!!!
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Jonathan Hunt: That’s all that drama queen’s been screeching about everyday this week!
Pleistocene, the Earth’s most recent glacial event, ended 10,000 years ago.
I've been interested in these remote places and what it's like to live there. I've been reading Cold,Dark Place about daily life in Antarctica. I wouldn't want to go for more than a visit, but it's fascinating. Is it true that at those temperatures you can spit and it will freeze before it hits the ground and shatter?
Exactly. It was hardly a tropical paradise, but it was warm enough for farming 1,000 or so years ago when the Vikings found and colonized it. It must've been those fleets of SUVs (including the amphibious variants that we haven't yet developed) that the Vikings used to conquer half of Europe with. Anyhow, they got some sense and banned the SUVs, moving to horses and longboats, so then we got the opposite of Global Warming...a mini-Ice Age. Now that the ancient knowledge has been lost, we're back to SUVs.
More seriously, now that the glaciers have begun to melt back in Greenland, scientists are finding evidence of the old settlements - proof that the place had arable land and not just a bunch of ice.
The Earth MAY be warming, but we ain't causing it. It is the Sun. Just like it has ALWAYS been the Sun, which is responsible for both periods of warming and periods of cooling (except for the occasional giant comet or asteroid that ploughs into the planet). The atheistic enviro-wackjobs think far more highly of Mankind's abilities than of nature's raw power. Maybe if they had a modicum of faith they'd understand that we are merely a speck on the planet, capable of great destruction of limited areas, but not capable of changing the climate.
“ploughs”
Sorry, “plows”. I must’ve had a Dan Quayle moment.
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