Haven't they been through enough already? Many of our Vietnam Vets have fought for years to get help from VA (and are STILL fighting for them). Then to have the mere fact they sought help come back to slap them in the face is further insult to injury!
What stats are Congress basing this bill on? This is a veiled attempt to take away the arms of all Americans and defy our 2nd Ammendment rights. Unless a Veteran is a prisoner, he still has his Second Ammendment rights! If a veteran is thought to be a threat to self or others, there should be a "real" trial, not an opinion (called a diagnosis) by a psychiatrist.
Not to mention how this will PREVENT our troops returning from theatre from getting help if they are having problems. Can you imagine how ANGRY they will be? (And who wouldn't be? We were when we read this! Not to mention how emotional we felt about it too.)
I have a brother with PTSD. He hunts and subsidizes his family with meat because his income has been limited by his VOLUNTARY service, which affected him! What a slap in the face to him and others who were affected by what they encountered while serving all of us. I've never felt he would harm anyone, not ever. We've known a lot of Vietnam Vets with PTSD who we've never felt were a threat to society. Remember the number of Vets we are dealing with. So the stats just aren't there to warrant this!
Not everybody who went to Nam was affected the same way. But we know that some were and we care about them. (Unless you're in Congress evidently!) But this is the most disgusting thing we've ever heard of.
Lets see, you've been changed forever for serving your country, now Congress is going to PUNISH you further? Now that's a big THANK YOU FOR SERVING and that's logic for you...
The troops serving today are so amazing. Doing several tours of duty. We appreciate them so much. So a slap in the face like this is really going to help! Talk about pulling a bandaide off a wound! A HUGE slap in the face when these brave troops have had to fight for every thing they get. We have always needed to encourage troops to go in for counseling if they had a problem. Imagine if they were law enforcement? You're telling them they can never do the job they did before they left to serve our country? Nice job congress!
We've been dealing with Vietnam Vets for how many years? And there is NO HUGE stats for shooting incidents!
So why in the world would you do something like this to our troops?
It's a veiled attempt to take away our Second Ammendment rights.. starting with the brave men and women who have been protecting THEIR sorry *sses!
When I called Sen's Boxer's and Feinsteins offices today, they said "yes, it has already passed in the House, and it's coming up for a vote in the Senate".
I told them that there are two Vets in this house. We've never been sorry to have served. One of us is 100 percent disabled, and the other 50% from a helicopter crash in Nam as a medivac pilot. My brother, who has PTSD, has never been sorry to have served, and he also volunteered.
But my brother never came back from Nam. In all these years, the young man who left, never returned. But no one fears him either. And now they want to PUNISH HIM?
This is INSANE!
I asked that they PLEASE advocate for our troops. The troops from before and now too. To do less is a horrible joke.
I even looked up the email I got on Snopes.com. Thinking it had to be a hoax. Surely they couldn't or wouldn't do MORE HARM to the troops who've served and are serving our country so well.
But, it's true.. it's all true.
I admit, during my conversation with both offices, I broke down near the end with each office. This IS EMOTIONAL. How can we allow this to happen to our Vets?
This is just too much for me to imagine. My brother having his rifle taken away. No more Elk or deer to feed his family. No more wild Turkey's to eat. After 30 some years?
What dignity he has left will be shattered. That young man who joined to fight for a country he loved so much.
It shames me to no end to imagine that his country would "continue" to do him harm. (His fight for benefits has been unreal.)
Please call your Senators. Please tell them to prevent this travesty from happening to our troops who've served. They deserve BETTER than this!
God forbid we treat them like common criminals by denying them this RIGHT afforded them by our Constitution!
It took me all of 5 minutes to make these two calls.
Please help to stop this travesty being visited on our nations hero's.
We owe it to them! PLEASE HELP OUR VETS!!!
Contact your State Senator and tell them to vote NO on this bill! You will be calling about the following:
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The Veterans Disarmament Act
HR 2640, section 102 (1)©(iv)
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Here is a list of Senators and their phone numbers. Just click on the link. At the top of the page it will say "choose a State" (don't even bother with any other information, this will get you what you need) and it will automatically come up with your Senators and the phone numbers:
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm
I’m a veteran....
This is terrible.....
I’ll call my TN US Congressman Zach Wamp in the morning...
Well I guess this bill would rule out the continued armed deployment of any soldier who has been subject to "traumatic stress" - i.e., battle. At one battle limit per soldier, the Army is gonna need an awful lot of recruits if it has to actually fight a war.I'm curious as to the position of John McCain (R,Hanoi Hilton) on this issue . . .
...would place any veteran who has ever been diagnosed with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) on the federal gun ban list.
There is something that bothers me about this beyond what was in the article.
All cases of PTSD do not present themselves in the Hollywood manner. We're not all raging nutcase killers. All PTSD cases have not been declared a danger to themselves or others. Will all diagnosed as having PTSD be lumped together? How about the thousands of non-veterans who have been diagnosed after a disaster?
With the anti-military sentiment here in the Twin Cities, would not surprise me if some bureaucrat made a blanket judgement covering all veterans.
I am not surprised at all. This is what we deserve for electing those traitors in the house. I wonder who voted for this crap.
Bush had better veto. And if the NRA supports this, they’ve jumped the shark.
just talked to Cornyn’s staff this has not passed out of the senate or subcommitte. it is still on hold in the judiciary subcommittee.
don’t know where this started but per Cornyn’s staff it has not moved.
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While Senator Coburn Successfully Blocks The McCarthy Bill...
Sen. Coburn Standing Alone In Holding Up The Veterans Disarmament Act - Coburn needs your help...
It might be worth using the Senator's contact form at via his Senate web page to let him know that you appreciate his efforts at stopping this bill.
There are probably a lot of veteran cops, currently employed, who have been in the military and who have been diagnosed with PTSD. They’re carrying.
Using Logan’s Ping List for more exposure to this atrocity of a bill. PLEASE do some research on this thread and make the calls.
Thank you!
Are there any records to prove Vets with guns are anymore likely to commit a crime than others?
If passed, I could see this blowing up into something very bad.
“who has ever been diagnosed with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD)”
These guys were all by and large treated at VA facilities.
These libtards really have a lot of faith in the government health systems that they worship now don’t they?
Violates the Americans with Disabilities Act. Gun ownership is a basic right guaranteed by the Constitution and cannot be infringed for reason of disability.
Every man that has been in combat has had bad dreams but, eventually they go away. This is a sham and a direct slap in the face to the Vets that fought for this nation. To tell me I can't have the basic right that I fought for is....illegal. If GWB doesn't veto this POS then haul it in front of the SCOTUS. There's no way that this is constitutional.
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