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Are You Breaking the Law?
The Hutchinson news ^ | 10/11/07 | DEE ANN GRUMMON

Posted on 10/11/2007 6:54:07 PM PDT by kathsua

What is "illegal"? As of July l, not wearing a seat belt in Kansas makes you illegal. If you hold your crying child in your arms in a moving car, you're illegal. You are illegal if you smoke a cigarette in some cities, or if you burn your field, wash your car, or water your lawn during a ban. You can even become "illegal" without any effort on your own part.

Millions of people in this country arrived with their families as young children years ago. They grew up, went through school, married Americans, and had children, who, by birth, are Americans. If you think that being married to an American or being a parent of American children gives a person legal status under current law, you are wrong. Marriage or familial ties does not change your immigrant status.

Then people should "get legal," shouldn't they? Well, they very much want to, but today's immigration law makes it virtually impossible. See, you cannot apply for legal status while in the U.S. You must apply from your home country, even if you haven't lived there since you were a baby, and you have no home there to go back to. But suppose you do go back to your native country to apply. Part of the application process to come to the U.S. from another country includes an interview and affidavit both, which ask the specific question if you have lived in the U.S. without documentation. If your answer is "yes," then you must wait 10 years before applying again. If you lie and say "no," that's perjury (remember your name is on those children's birth certificates), and you are indefinitely barred from re-entering the United States. Millions of U.S. undocumented residents are in this very situation today. No intentional "crime" was committed, no harm or damage to anyone, yet in this era of terrorist paranoia, there is no avenue for millions of hardworking, otherwise law-abiding, people to become "legal."

Is it a realistic expectation for mothers or fathers in this situation to leave their families with no legal hope to rejoin them? Most Americans do not understand that strict enforcement of current law amounts to government-forced abandonment of families. U.S. society already feels the negative effects of broken homes and poverty from loss of breadwinners. Our country is not made better or safer by creating more.

People who are already here working, who have family ties, education, English, live upright lives, and have positively contributed to our society, should have some reasonable way to apply for and get legal work/resident status. It's time to change the law.


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If you drove over 55 mph on the highways in the 70's and 80' you were breaking the law.

Government should concentrate on getting rid of citizens and aliens who steal and assault and let hard working people alone regardless of their immigration status.

1 posted on 10/11/2007 6:54:17 PM PDT by kathsua
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To: kathsua

IBTZ!

BTW, you are a moron.


2 posted on 10/11/2007 6:59:11 PM PDT by bill1952 (The 10 most important words for change: "If it is to be, it is up to me")
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To: kathsua

Where’s the BARF ALERT?

Now where did I put my tiny wee violin ...


3 posted on 10/11/2007 6:59:36 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: kathsua

Where’s the BARF ALERT?

Now where did I put my tiny wee violin ...


4 posted on 10/11/2007 7:00:16 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: kathsua

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

This is really BARFY

LOL


5 posted on 10/11/2007 7:02:16 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: kathsua
Good point.

The way things are structured now, everyone is a criminal before they learn to crawl.

Those of us who have been walking around for decades, working, paying our taxes and generally trying to do the right thing are career criminals.

6 posted on 10/11/2007 7:04:46 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: kathsua

Can we buy beach property in Mexico? No. Can an illegal buy beach property in the U.S., Yes. Are illegals innocent until proven guilty in the U.S.? Yes. Are Americans guilty until proven otherwise in Mexico? Yes. Do Americans need a passport to pass the border areas of Mexico? Yes. Is Mexico a totaly corrupt country? Yes. Are Mexicans bringing teir corruption to the U.S.? Yes.


7 posted on 10/11/2007 7:04:54 PM PDT by Haddit (Hunter is the only conservative out there)
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To: kathsua

Millions of people in this country arrived with their families as young children years ago. They grew up, went through school, married Americans, and had children, who, by birth, are Americans.
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If you had done all of those things and been here that long you would probably be legal due to the amnesty of ‘85.


8 posted on 10/11/2007 7:05:43 PM PDT by crazyshrink
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To: kathsua

theres alot of weird laws still on the books. you’d be suprised what is illegal


9 posted on 10/11/2007 7:06:05 PM PDT by abstracTT
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To: Tennessee Nana

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10 posted on 10/11/2007 7:06:18 PM PDT by abstracTT
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To: kathsua
“let hard working people alone regardless of their immigration status.”

Really??
So we just let anyone who wants to move here and have 5 Chevy's on blocks in their yard, 35 to a house, and speak no English.
You think that’s OK?
The concept of an informed, educated citizenry is not really important to you?

11 posted on 10/11/2007 7:07:14 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Sometimes the first duty of intelligent men is the restatement of the obvious. Orwell)
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To: kathsua

Is there a point to this, or is it just the usual liberal whining for those “poor unfortunate victims” they always want to accommodate with other people’s money?


12 posted on 10/11/2007 7:07:56 PM PDT by traditional1 ( Fred Thompson-The ONLY electable Republican Candidate)
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To: kathsua

>> Most Americans do not understand that strict enforcement of current law amounts to government-forced abandonment of families.

Wrong.

Most Americans don’t understand why illegal mama and illegal papa can’t take the kids back to Mexico with them when they leave.

What’s stopping them from choosing to keep their family together?


13 posted on 10/11/2007 7:08:41 PM PDT by Nervous Tick
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To: kathsua

I make it a point to do something “illegal” everyday. I find it to be personally liberating. Dammed man made laws....


14 posted on 10/11/2007 7:09:22 PM PDT by KoRn (Just Say NO ....To Liberal Republicans - FRED THOMPSON FOR PRESIDENT!)
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To: kathsua

Ah, bill1952 has got it right, you are a moron !!!


15 posted on 10/11/2007 7:09:30 PM PDT by Obie Wan
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To: kathsua

“Is it a realistic expectation for mothers or fathers in this situation to leave their families with no legal hope to rejoin them?”

Take them to hell with you, and don’t let the door hit you in the butt on your way out...


16 posted on 10/11/2007 7:10:07 PM PDT by babygene (Never look into the laser with your last good eye...)
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To: kathsua
I may get flamed for this, so be it.

The USA needs to overhaul it's "legal alien" process.
The illegal aliens that are already here, that are hard working, good people, need a path to legality, not a path to citizenship.
They should pay taxes, including back taxes as much as possible, BUT
We should also secure our border first.

We cannot accept the fact that our borders are as insecure as they are.
Anyone could bring weapons of mass destruction across our borders, and I'm not so sure that they already haven't.
We cannot continue to let people cross our border without our knowing who they are.
There must be a way for people to come to our country to work without breaking our laws.

The border comes first.
THEN we work on a path to legality for the hard working good people that are already here.
If they have a violent misdameanor, any type of a felony, or are a known gang member, out they go.

If they DO want to become a citizen they go to the back of the line at that point and wait their turn.

I don't have the plan to accomplish this but I truly believe that this is what needs to be accomplished.

17 posted on 10/11/2007 7:11:55 PM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: kathsua

“Are You Breaking the Law?”

And if not, why not!


18 posted on 10/11/2007 7:13:51 PM PDT by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism.)
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To: kathsua

Pssssst....

Undocumented workers are breaking the law and stealing services from local citizens.

Illegal immigrants are lawbreakers and those who condone such should be charged as criminals as well.


19 posted on 10/11/2007 7:13:57 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (If you agree with Democrats you agree with America's enemies.)
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To: bill1952
IBTZ! BTW, you are a moron.

Well stated. I'm glad that it was the first reply on this crapola thread.

20 posted on 10/11/2007 7:20:35 PM PDT by SIDENET (I don't want to find "common ground" with a bunch of damn leftists.)
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To: kathsua
What is "illegal"? As of July l, not wearing a seat belt in Kansas makes you illegal. If you hold your crying child in your arms in a moving car, you're illegal. You are illegal if you smoke a cigarette in some cities, or if you burn your field, wash your car, or water your lawn during a ban.

This is all nanny state stuff and alot of it was voted in either by those who want nanny states or by those elected officials who believe that government is the best God of the People .. Right here in Ohio we have the same Nanny whiners which amounts to no more than legalized Prohibition through the voice of the Voters some of which just hits a square with a pencil not caring weather down the road it effects them or not and yet they will be the first to cry to high heavens when something they want ends up becoming illegal

Government should concentrate on getting rid of citizens and aliens who steal and assault and let hard working people alone regardless of their immigration status.

Im cut from a cloth that is different from yours i guess one of these illegal Mexicans drove drunk and killed my Uncle then ran away come to find out he did the same thing in another state the woman lived but is serverly handicapped

No sir/ma'am i want them gone start over send them to mexico or canada or wherever they came from mind you not isolationism but a new beginning and if mexico or canada has a problem with it let them change their government they are both socialist countries we are not not yet anyway but were fanning the flames of it with every election and if ANY democrat gets in office again THE GRAND EXPERIMENT CALLED FREEDOM IS OVER !

If you don't think so just look at whats running and what they propose !

21 posted on 10/11/2007 7:31:28 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK (In everyday life there is more than meets the eye to reach the depths of truth we must DRAGTHEWATERS)
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To: kathsua
Main problem: the government not keeping them out. The illegals are the symptom, not the root, of the problem.

Of course, let people cheat, and the cheaters will come.

America is and has always been a very generous nation. But what kind of idiot is generous to their own burglar?

I agree that our immigration system punishes those who try to immigrate legally. It’s all carrot on the illegal side and all stick on the legal side. Apparently, some politically powerful groups like it that way.

22 posted on 10/11/2007 7:35:12 PM PDT by FreePoster (Duncan Hunter in 2008)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Understand that we got whacked (I say that as someone who told the state to say no), and now they are getting it. It’s a timing thing where the government is flat-out lying when they tell you the purpose of this bill.


23 posted on 10/11/2007 7:35:47 PM PDT by eyedigress
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To: kathsua

What is this, a “how to be an invader” handbook?


24 posted on 10/11/2007 7:38:31 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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To: kathsua

DEE ANN GRUMMON (the author) is a moron. What is it about these idiots that they don’t understand the meaning of the word ILLEGAL?


25 posted on 10/11/2007 7:39:36 PM PDT by vox humana
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To: kathsua

We need to get the invaders out of here. If you’re here without a visa, you are a criminal.


26 posted on 10/11/2007 7:41:55 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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To: kathsua
Then people should "get legal," shouldn't they? Well, they very much want to, but today's immigration law makes it virtually impossible.

Completely off topic, here, but I "very much" want one of those big screen flat panel tv, ocean front property, and maybe even a sail boat complete with a house on ocean front property. If I work hard for the next 10 or so years, I may be able to get what I want.

27 posted on 10/11/2007 7:43:20 PM PDT by new cruelty
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To: kathsua
What is "illegal"? As of July l, not wearing a seat belt in Kansas makes you illegal.

Wrong. It makes you a legal citizen committing an illegal act.

28 posted on 10/11/2007 7:44:41 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe (I get enough exercise just pushing my luck)
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To: editor-surveyor

“What is this, a “how to be an invader” handbook?”

LMBO!


29 posted on 10/11/2007 7:45:00 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: vox humana

Let’s all write our legislators and demand that they make it a crime to enter this country illegally.


30 posted on 10/11/2007 7:45:14 PM PDT by FreePoster (Duncan Hunter in 2008)
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To: new cruelty; All
Completely off topic, here, but I "very much" want one of those big screen flat panel tv, ocean front property, and maybe even a sail boat complete with a house on ocean front property. If I work hard for the next 10 or so years, I may be able to get what I want.

ACK! Re-reading that, I think I "very much" need to get some sleep. The tv, boat, and house will have to wait.

31 posted on 10/11/2007 7:48:44 PM PDT by new cruelty
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To: kathsua
Government should concentrate on getting rid of citizens and aliens who steal and assault and let hard working people alone regardless of their immigration status.

Hey, great idea. In fact, I know about some hard working Muslims who were living and working in Brooklyn New York without fear of being detected or apprehended, NYC being one of those 'sanctuary cities' and then-Mayor Rudy refusing to enforce immigration laws, and guess what?

On 9/11 those hard working ILLEGAL immigrant/student Muslims proceeded to carry out their part of the al Qaeda hijackings that we ought to remember oh-so-well.

Yeah, leave them hard working people alone.

Like Hell.
32 posted on 10/11/2007 7:49:51 PM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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To: FreePoster

I think we should also be billing Mexico for services provide to Mexicans in this country.


33 posted on 10/11/2007 7:50:14 PM PDT by A Strict Constructionist (We have become an oligarchy not a Republic.)
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To: abstracTT

There’s still a few places in Texas where you can by executed by hanging. Wonder if Rick Perry Nafta knows.


34 posted on 10/11/2007 7:51:27 PM PDT by Grams A
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To: kathsua
Is it a realistic expectation for mothers or fathers in this situation to leave their families with no legal hope to rejoin them? Most Americans do not understand that strict enforcement of current law amounts to government-forced abandonment of families.

These sorts of outright, blatant lies do not help your cause.

35 posted on 10/11/2007 7:52:39 PM PDT by Sloth (Democrats and GOPers are to government what Jeffrey Dahmer and Michael Jackson are to babysitting)
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To: kathsua

I’m sorry for your uncle’s family. My uncle was killed by an idiot truck driver. Am I mad at all truck drivers. No. It wouldn’t be reasonable. Neither is it reasonable to be mad at all illegals because of a bad one. I agree with the sentiments in the original post. My grandmother came to the USA from Denmark at a time when no visa was required. I think the current system that penalizes those who try to come in legally or those who try to legalize after coming in is idiotic.


36 posted on 10/11/2007 7:59:07 PM PDT by webboy45
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To: kathsua
Only "some crimes" are worth punishing, eh? Why doesn't MEXICO take that same tact on it's illegals, I'll tell you, they desire soverignity, that's why.

My parents might have forced me into a life of crime as a child, does that mean that if, as an adult, I continue earning my living by breaking the law, I am committing illegal acts, yes, I am.

37 posted on 10/11/2007 8:30:21 PM PDT by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: Tennessee Nana

I’m confused. I thought those folks were called anchor babies?


38 posted on 10/11/2007 8:38:10 PM PDT by Marie (Unintended consequences.)
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To: A Strict Constructionist
I think we should also be billing Mexico for services provide to Mexicans in this country.

Or at least deduct it from the Billion dollars this administration plans to give them this year.Thats on top of the millions in aid we already give them.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1907936/posts

US to launch $1bn ‘Plan Mexico’

39 posted on 10/11/2007 8:41:00 PM PDT by AuntB (" It takes more than walking across the border to be an American." Duncan Hunter)
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To: Just another Joe

You speak for me.


40 posted on 10/11/2007 8:57:54 PM PDT by loreldan (Without coffee I am nothing.)
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To: Eagle Eye

In other words if you had been living in Boston in the 1770’s and new the identities of those law breakers and tax cheats who stole tea from a ship and threw it into the harbor you would have turned them in. YOu would certainly would have opposed the actions of those criminals called Minutemen who violently attacked a group government employees at Concord Bridge.

Under the laws of the day those who fought for an independent nation were criminals. The man whose signature was first on the Declaration of Independence, John Hancock, was a wanted criminal because of his smuggling activities.


41 posted on 10/11/2007 9:09:20 PM PDT by jalexson
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To: kathsua

I partly agree. If we could just find THESE illegals and give them a way to apply for and get their appropriate immigration papers, I’d support it.

The problem is 12+ million illegals, most of whom do NOT fit into this idylic description of the “perfect immigrant”.

BTW, the problem with your analogy about breaking the law is this. If you were going 70 in a 55, you were breaking the law, but it wasn’t a big deal and you’d just get a fine.

However, if you drove 70 and the police were behind you and you kept driving 70, and you continued each day to drive 70, you’d soon lose your license, and then you’d end up in jail.

An illegal trespasser doesn’t just break the law once, he lives in a state of lawbreaking. It’s not like someone who committed a crime once and then is just living in fear of getting caught for that crime. It’s a person who each day is living in fear of getting caught COMMITTING a crime.

Still, as I said, if all we had left were the couple hundred thousand illegals who came here as children, who married americans, and who got real ids and real jobs and pay real taxes, I’d be the first to support giving them legal status.


42 posted on 10/11/2007 9:45:30 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: kathsua

so let’s just all break the law and call it a day because we all work hard.


43 posted on 10/11/2007 9:52:11 PM PDT by proudCArepublican
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To: Marie

“I thought those folks were called anchor babies?”

No “anchor babies” are born on US soil...

This is about the illegal aliens who were born in Mexico and elsewhere and brought to the US by their illegal alien parents...

The “DREAM Act” crowd...


44 posted on 10/11/2007 10:11:05 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: kathsua
Is it a realistic expectation for mothers or fathers in this situation to leave their families with no legal hope to rejoin them? Most Americans do not understand that strict enforcement of current law amounts to government-forced abandonment of families. U.S. society already feels the negative effects of broken homes and poverty from loss of breadwinners. Our country is not made better or safer by creating more.

BS. There's no reason for the "abandonment" of anchor babies by their illegal parents. Anchor babies are citizens of their parent(s) country. Just as are children born to American citizens in another country.

45 posted on 10/11/2007 10:24:56 PM PDT by Razz Barry (Round'em up, send'em home.)
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To: jalexson

Are you suggesting that Mexico would be justified in taking over the United States, or that our founding fathers were unjustified?


46 posted on 10/11/2007 10:29:12 PM PDT by BykrBayb (In memory of my Friend T'wit, who taught me much. ~ )
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

ping


47 posted on 10/11/2007 10:59:07 PM PDT by gubamyster
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To: kathsua

Here’s a question: are you an accomplice if you are aware of people who illegally burn music and don’t alert the authorities?


48 posted on 10/11/2007 11:01:56 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: kathsua

live upright lives...

Same argument could be made for anyone who has ever broken any law. Hey, I murdered a guy in 68, but I’ve lived a great life ever since.

Deport!


49 posted on 10/11/2007 11:04:17 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Hillary has pay fever. There she goes now... "Ha Hsu, ha hsu, haaaa hsu, ha hsu...")
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To: Haddit

Legal Mexicans also need documents to enter the United States.


50 posted on 10/11/2007 11:04:20 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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