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Bush Warns Putin Over 'World War Three'
The Telegraph (UK) ^
| 10-17-2007
| Matthew Moore and Adrian Blomfield
Posted on 10/17/2007 10:29:32 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam
PLEASE, LET'S END THIS NONSENSE ONCE AND FOR ALL!
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posted on
10/17/2007 11:14:54 AM PDT
by
this is my name not yours
(Free speech is the escape valve that keeps some people from picking up a rifle.)
To: this is my name not yours
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posted on
10/17/2007 11:17:34 AM PDT
by
B-Chan
(Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
To: SwankyC
Twenty years in the AF and retired with an eagle on my shoulder. Believe me, turboprops are great assets for search and rescue. As strategic bombers, they print like Picasso.
To: GOP_1900AD
The Bear has a lot, and I mean a lot, less payload capacity then the BUFFs...
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posted on
10/17/2007 11:19:14 AM PDT
by
in hoc signo vinces
("Houston, TX...a waiting quagmire for jihadis.")
To: KTM rider
Just sat on my first 690 sm. That’s cool.
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posted on
10/17/2007 11:21:55 AM PDT
by
steve86
(Acerbic by nature, not nurture ™)
To: GOP_1900AD
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posted on
10/17/2007 11:25:42 AM PDT
by
in hoc signo vinces
("Houston, TX...a waiting quagmire for jihadis.")
To: this is my name not yours
How soon the world forgets. Aryan= Nazi= Iran
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posted on
10/17/2007 11:28:24 AM PDT
by
KTM rider
(Free Mexico ....Viva La Revolucion)
To: KTM rider
you can shake up a mighty nation with a box cutter, or hold off the greatest army in the world with a weekly car bomb at a shopping mall and a TVYou have lost control of your senses. Are you living somewhere in the EU?
To: Zuben Elgenubi; Tailgunner Joe
Those turbo-prop Bears are nearly as fast as our B-52s. Amazing actually. Plus superior range. That is what really forced the Navy to develop the F-14 in the first place, so as to defend the Fleet from Bear-launched stand-off weapons. The F-14 was the only interceptor that could race out to not just effectively prevent encroachment into the threat zone in time, but do so in an extremely intimidating manner. Then loiter along with the Bears in prop-wash (read machine-gun) range....escorting them away. Loitering as long as needed, since they had the endurance to do so thanks to the huge fuel reserve and swing-wings giving them significant efficiencies at that speed.
The F-14 now is unfortunately retired without a comparable replacement. The F-18 SuperTiger...just isn't close.
Meanwhile the Russian Bear is apparently becoming a threat again...as their regime proves its enmity. Anyways, the Soviets also had the Backfire and the Blackjack (An B-1 knock-off, obviously from espionage-gleaned schematics). These are serious threats that require a serious interceptor. The F-22, if the Navalized version was developed and produced, could be such a serious interceptor. The F-35, which is all that the Administration feels is enough...isn't. And won't be around for 6 or 7 years. The Russian threat is apparently getting more serious in conjunction with their Alliance with Red China. And they still have their First Strike Weapons, the SS-18, and their new Topol-M. We have retired...and dismantled unilaterally our best, and latest counterforce weapon, the MX missile.
There’s nothing there. Ronaldus Reagan proved that in 1989. Less there now then then.
Actually, he knew just the opposite. It was Jimmy Carter who said that we had an "Inordinate Fear of Communism" and was attempting to permanently ensconce Soviet military superiority by treaty mandates with horrifically unbalanced treaty terms. His agents Paul Warnke and Cyrus Vance never saw a Russian advantage or threat they couldn't minimize for the U.S. public-consumption.
What Reagan proved was that apart from their military threat, the Russian Bear was not a true superpower. That it was a totalitarian monster that bestrode its people...and was an evil empire. That its communist ideology was wicked and bankrupt, and that it existed merely for the sake of the power of its corrupt party bosses.
With these truths transmitted to its people...and the sure knowledge that we were no longer going to enable the regime and were not going to be intimidated or coerced anymore by their military...it collapsed. Their people knew enough was enough...and with Reagan always putting his hand out in friendship...they had no reason to fear us.
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posted on
10/17/2007 11:29:31 AM PDT
by
Paul Ross
(Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
To: GOP_1900AD
And I will do everything in my power to prepare to fight and win a global thermonuclear war against the enemies of Western Civilization. Who will join me?Not me, if you please.
To: B-Chan
Uh, I'm all for fighting and defeating the foes of Western Civilization. However, I'd like to avoid the "thermonuclear" part if at all possible. I have a seven-month-old here and I'd kind of like to see him grow up. If we are attacked by an enemy using nuclear weapons, then by all means let's use our own to destroy our attackers. Short of that, let's fight and win using conventional weapons.
In all probability if we're attacked first, you won't live to see your seven-month old grow up. I say better them vaporised than us. It's what we should have done to Afghanistan to begin with.
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posted on
10/17/2007 11:32:01 AM PDT
by
this is my name not yours
(Free speech is the escape valve that keeps some people from picking up a rifle.)
To: Paul Ross
To: Badeye
I wonder what Bush sees in Putin’s soul these days....When I heard that way back in '01...it scared me spitless. Still does. It was deranged then, and still is.
As for his looking into souls nowadays...he has been rather quiet about that, hasn't he?
To the extent he believes in the Bible at all, he needs to re-read the passages about Babel. Those edicts by God still stand.
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posted on
10/17/2007 11:33:46 AM PDT
by
Paul Ross
(Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
To: this is my name not yours
To: Zuben Elgenubi
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posted on
10/17/2007 11:38:00 AM PDT
by
this is my name not yours
(Free speech is the escape valve that keeps some people from picking up a rifle.)
To: Zuben Elgenubi
Not me, if you please.Is that you, Jimmy Carter???
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posted on
10/17/2007 11:38:02 AM PDT
by
Paul Ross
(Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
To: Zuben Elgenubi
[quote]"
You have lost control of your senses. Are you living somewhere in the EU?"[/quote] How do you figure,
dig a little deeper and think about it
look at all the damage 9-11 caused and it was all done with boxcutters, and how costly the war in Iraq is to our troops and our finances.The Al Qaeda main strategy is to blow up a car bomb to kill civilians once a week and get it on TV,
it works pretty good, the democrats are ready to surrender
the enemy is staging their war very cheap and with very little equipment.
then look at Israel and all the trouble caused by a few nuts with suicide bombs. I hope that doesnt start happening here in the USA at Christmastime, we would be damaged slightly.
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posted on
10/17/2007 11:38:18 AM PDT
by
KTM rider
(Free Mexico ....Viva La Revolucion)
To: GOP_1900AD
- I will do everything in my power to prepare to fight and win a global thermonuclear war
LOL
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posted on
10/17/2007 11:38:42 AM PDT
by
RightWhale
(50 years later we're still sitting on the ground)
To: Paul Ross
he needs to re-read the passages about BabelI think Ezekiel would be more helpful.
To: Paul Ross
he needs to re-read the passages about BabelI think Ezekiel would be more helpful.
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