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We heard a lot of this same stuff from the Keyes supporters in the last few elections, and the Buchanan supporters before that.

That is true. I would remind you though, that at no time did a significant portion of this forum buy into the idea that RINOs need not apply during that period. Today they do. In a poll on this forum in the last week to ten days, 47% of forum members said they would vote third party, write in or simply not vote if Rudy were the Republican nominee. When it was visitors to the forum plus members, that number dropped to 45.4%. That's a rather revealing response IMO. I will say that we are a little over a year from the election and a lot could and probably will change, so this is just prelim stuff.

I just saw a report this evening that Republican fundraising was at about a 17 to 22 ratio vs the Democrats. Evidently the home team is beginning to get the message. I cannot tell you the specifics, and Lord knows the numbers could have been jobed by the media, so I wouldn't put a whole lot of stock in that figure. I do sense a change in the public debate. It's my assessment that the illegal alien problem and our leadership's ignorance on the issue is driving folks away from the party in droves. Is that true? Is that what we are seeing? I honestly don't know, but something has changed, as evidenced even here.

Fortunately, most of the country is more pragmatic than your dire predictions.

You've got as much right to tell us what your gutt feeling is on this as I do to you. Perhaps you're right. Perhaps I'm all wet. We can only wait and see.

If most of conservative America is truly represented here, then we are already screwed. It’s shameful, all of the rabid rhetoric and name calling that flies around these parts.

I'm not sure why you would say that. If Thompson pulls it out, we're in excellent shape. If one of the RINOs does, we'll have to wait and see what the overall consensus is. As for name calling, I try to mention what I have seen in a candidate that turns me off. Rudy isn't pro-life. There are several other stances that drive me nuts. Romney is a problem for me, because it appears he's had a come to Jesus (political) moment and I can't trust his new found stances on certain issues. As for McCain, I've watched the guy rip Bush a new one since he took office. And it pains me to say that as much as I have disliked what Bush has done on a number of issues, McCain's views were even worse IMO. He's not only not a team player, he's a maverick with berzerk alternative views. Worst of all, he actually teamed up with Ted Kennedy on several issues. Now he wants my vote? LOL, that will be the day.

I’m sure the left is eating this up. What was the saying about standing together, or falling separately...?

Perhaps the left is eating it up. And perhaps for the first time in a long time, they are coming to realize that their agenda is not going to be advanced by a Republican. And if that is true, it doesn't bode well for them. When the Republicans figure out that a RINO isn't going to win them anything from here on out, they may just stand up and support Conservative candidates. And the Dems won't be laughing long if that is the case.

California will be voting for a new governor in 2010. If the national level characters begin to drop like flies, perhaps the Republican leadership in California will get off their duffs, and support the next conservative to run. If they don't, Californians are going to bolt the RP in numbers that will be stagering. And they should.

We've tried third parties and it hasn't worked. We've communicated our disattisfaction with the leadership on a number of issues and it hasn't worked. We've actually voted in people who should have run as democrats, and that hasn't worked. Conservatism has lost at every turn. I guess it's finally time to put the party on notice. Run RINOs and look for a new base.

There are people out here looking for a conservative to vote for. If there isn't one why bother to vote for someone who will rule against you again and again? It sure hasn't worked in California. It sure hasn't worked in Washington, D.C. I think it's time to try something else. We'd be pretty stupid of we continued to try the same things and expected a different outcome.