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(Adulterer, flip-flopper) Giuliani asks Values Voters to trust him
The Politico ^ | 10/20/-2007 | Mike Allen

Posted on 10/20/2007 10:21:39 AM PDT by Ol' Sparky

Former New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani, walking into a political lion’s den, told the year’s largest gathering of social conservatives that he is “not always the best example of faith” but that their similarities are much greater than their differences.

“Isn’t it better that I tell you what I really believe instead of changing all my positions?” Giuliani told an audience of 2,000 at the Family Research Council's Values Voters Summit at a Washington hotel. “I believe trust is more important than 100 percent agreement.”

The audience, generally hostile to Giuliani, recognized the shot at former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, and laughter and a few cheers spread across the room.

The former mayor, who left the stage grinning amid applause after his 40-minute speech, went for an authenticity contrast with Romney, substituting his law and order credentials for the family values emphasis of Romney, a long-married father of five.

Giuliani paid obeisance to the group’s concerns by speaking at length about his support for school choice, home schooling, conservative judges and Israel.

All drew earnest – even enthusiastic – applause. He also gave a detailed plan for reducing abortions and increasing adoptions, the meatiest policy element of his speech.

It was the “everything but” approach – he could agree with the audience on almost everything except whether a woman should be able to choose an abortion, which he supports.

"You and I know I’m not a perfect person,” he said. “I pray for forgiveness, I pray for strength.... I feel my faith deeply, although perhaps more privately than others, because of the way I was brought up.” He said he had prayed to God at the toughest parts of his life.

“During our lives, at some time, all of us need forgiveness,” he added. “If we expect perfection from our political leaders, we’re just asking for disappointment .... We lose trust when they’re not honest with us.... I don’t always agree with myself. [Laughter] … You’ll always know where I stand.... I will continue to extend my hand to you. I hope you’ll take it.”

Giuliani showed humor, noting that he almost entered seminary: “I know that’s hard to believe.” Noting that he attended Catholic school, he said the first school he attended where a prayer wasn’t said at the beginning of the day was the New York University School of Law.

He said that on the first day, out of confusion, he made the sign of the cross. “I looked around and realized people were staring at me,” he joked.

Giuliani pointed out that as New York mayor, he reduced murder, drugs, prostitution and other vices. "I don't believe in inevitable decline," he said, adding he shares President Ronald Reagan's belief in optimism.

"You put Republican ideas into action.... We got results. Humbly, I would say, the best results anyone in that time got in government."

"We drove pornography out of Times Square and other public spaces," he said, drawing hearty applause. "The pornographers lost and they were driven out of Times Square."

Instead of pandering to the group, Giuliani held his ground.

“We’ve got to find a way to be more inclusive,” Giuliani said. “Christianity is all about inclusiveness. It’s built around the most profound act of love in human history, isn’t it? … I’m running for president of the United States because I believe I can bring us together. Strong leadership can help us find common solutions to our problems.”

Giuliani drew laughter by saying he spends as little time in Washington as possible: “I’m afraid there’s something in the air here.”

“I’m not going to pretend that I can be all things to all people,” he declared. “I’m just not like that.”

But he added, in another dig at Romney, “I’ll always be honest with you.... You will always know where I stand.”

“You have absolutely nothing to fear from me,” Giuliani went on, adding that he was puzzled by those who make him out to be some kind of liberal activist: “Just read any New York Times editorial when I was mayor of New York City.” That got a big laugh.

Giuliani was speaking to one of the most conservative audiences in American politics. During a Christian worship service from the podium an hour before Giuliani spoke, leader Ron Freeman interspersed the praise hymn “Blessed be the Name” with the hopeful wish:

“We’ve got the right Senate and the Congress!” The prayer included: “We’ve tried hard to make your agenda, our agenda.”

Politico’s Jonathan Martin contributed to this report.


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Trust a man that couldn't stay faithful to his wife and was parading his mistress around New York as mayor?

I don't think Rudy helped himself with this speech.

1 posted on 10/20/2007 10:21:41 AM PDT by Ol' Sparky
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To: Ol' Sparky

Hey, Rudy:

How about if you drop out of the race, and if we can’t find someone better than you, we’ll put you back onto the ballot? Trust us.


2 posted on 10/20/2007 10:25:26 AM PDT by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.))
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To: Ol' Sparky
“We’ve got to find a way to be more inclusive,” Giuliani said. “Christianity is all about inclusiveness.

Translation: Accept abortion.
3 posted on 10/20/2007 10:30:23 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: Ol' Sparky

If Giuliani wins the Republican nomination, I will support him and urge all others to back whoever our Republican nominee is.


4 posted on 10/20/2007 10:31:11 AM PDT by Galactica
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To: Man50D

“Translation: Accept abortion”

Bingo!


5 posted on 10/20/2007 10:36:10 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: Ol' Sparky

So, you going help a socialist who will destroy our country get elected instead. Rudy isn’t perfect, but he’s no Clinton.


6 posted on 10/20/2007 10:47:49 AM PDT by Perdogg (Join the NCAA basketball thread - Freemail me - Go tarheels!)
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To: Galactica
If Giuliani wins the Republican nomination, I will support him and urge all others to back whoever our Republican nominee is.

Then, be prepared for Hillary Clinton to be the next President of United States because millions of conservatives aren't going to vote for a liberal like Giuliani.

7 posted on 10/20/2007 10:48:07 AM PDT by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: Man50D
We’ve got to find a way to be more inclusive,” Giuliani said. “Christianity is all about inclusiveness."

Why, I'd think that with that message, he could also gobble up voters in far-southern Utah and far-northern Arizona. I'd think the Republicans could be all opened-armed to the fundamentalist LDS polygamists if only Republicans would be significantly more loose about how it defines marriage. [sarc]

8 posted on 10/20/2007 10:48:08 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Galactica

Bingo! Well said..


9 posted on 10/20/2007 10:49:08 AM PDT by sofaman (Ahmadinejad: Those who attempt to rewrite history are probably planning to repeat it.)
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To: Ol' Sparky

I don’t trust someone who says “trust me”.


10 posted on 10/20/2007 10:49:51 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (ETERNAL SHAME on the Treasonous and Immoral Democrats!)
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To: Galactica
If Giuliani wins the Republican nomination, I will support him and urge all others to back whoever our Republican nominee is.

Fortunately, I think most Republicans feel the same way as you (and me). Personally, I'm supporting Mitt. But come election day, I will give my support to whomever our nominee is, be it Rudy, Mitt or Fred.

No matter who the GOP nominee is, he will be 100x better than what looms for this country should the Socialists take control.
11 posted on 10/20/2007 10:50:30 AM PDT by Signalman
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To: Perdogg
No, I refuse to help socialist of either party get elected.

A liberal Republican does far more damage than liberal Democrat. It's ashame some people are too stupid to understand that. But, all one has to do is look at what is going on in California with the governorship of Arnold Schwarzenegger to realize that voting for a liberal of either party is a disaster.

But, if he somehow gets the nomination, trust me, I can't want to see those that were dumb enough to support him suffer as he gets destroyed by Hillary.

The GOP returns to the principles of Reagan or it can crash and burn.

12 posted on 10/20/2007 10:54:51 AM PDT by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: Ol' Sparky

I think you need head the warning of Gary Bauer who said that the damage Hillary will inflict on this country will be felt for decades, if we still have a country in 20 years. I am NOT saying I am supporting Rudy in the primary, but if he gets the nod I will support him financially and politically.


13 posted on 10/20/2007 10:58:44 AM PDT by Perdogg (Join the NCAA basketball thread - Freemail me - Go tarheels!)
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To: Galactica

I am with you 100%. I profoundly disagree with Giuliani on a number of issues, but I respect his leadership, toughness and understanding of the war oagainst Islamofascism.


14 posted on 10/20/2007 10:59:50 AM PDT by karnage
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Giuliani/McCain ‘08!

Not.


15 posted on 10/20/2007 11:00:46 AM PDT by Califreak (Duncan Hunter-no clothespin necessary!)
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To: Ol' Sparky
Trust a man that couldn't stay faithful to his wife and was parading his mistress around New York as mayor?

Your statement inspired the following thought: The best way to ensure that many women who don't feel comfortable with Hillary will vote for her, is to make the election between the man who cheated, and the woman who was cheated on.

16 posted on 10/20/2007 11:01:29 AM PDT by hunter112 (Change will happen when very good men are forced to do very bad things.)
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To: Ol' Sparky

Hate is an ugly thing to see. I don’t care if it’s Bush derangement syndrome at MoveOn or Rudy bashing on FR. It’s just not a pleasant post.


17 posted on 10/20/2007 11:01:31 AM PDT by narby
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To: Ol' Sparky
A liberal Republican does far more damage than liberal Democrat.

Pure stupid BS. The presidency is the total sum of the administration, not one man. A Republican presidency will empower the Republican party, bringing Republican judges and helping Republican congressional candidates.. A Democrat presidency the opposite.

Anything other than supporting and voting for the Republican party is helping Hillary. That's just the facts.

18 posted on 10/20/2007 11:06:31 AM PDT by narby
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To: Ol' Sparky

NEW YORKERS DON'T PREFER KERIK'S PARTNER


19 posted on 10/20/2007 11:09:35 AM PDT by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: hunter112
The best way to ensure that many women who don't feel comfortable with Hillary will vote for her...

The election will be determined by the voters in the center picking a side. Those folks aren't "values voters" and it won't matter a bit to them. Rudy is touted to have the best shot at getting those centrist voters and winning, and it may be true.

Better any Republican than a communist like Hillary.

20 posted on 10/20/2007 11:11:11 AM PDT by narby
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To: Bobkk47
No matter who the GOP nominee is, he will be 100x better than what looms for this country should the Socialists take control.

You mean like Mussolini was 100x better than Hitler?

21 posted on 10/20/2007 11:12:37 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: narby; Ol' Sparky
A liberal Republican does far more damage than liberal Democrat.

Pure stupid BS.

Sparky's comment is HARDLY BS. In fact, it is RIGHT ON THE MARK!!

As I say ad nauseum on here...

Liberal Republicans like Giuliani are MUCH MORE DANGEROUS than liberal democrats,,,

because LIBERAL Republicans like Rudy BLUR THE DISTINCTION between conservatism and liberalism,,,

MAKING LIBERALISM MUCH MORE ACCEPTABLE!!!!

To borrow your words, "THAT'S JUST THE FACTS"!

22 posted on 10/20/2007 11:15:30 AM PDT by stockstrader (We need a conservative who will ENERGIZE the Party, not a liberal who will DEMORALIZE it!)
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To: narby
Pure stupid BS. The presidency is the total sum of the administration, not one man. A Republican presidency will empower the Republican party, bringing Republican judges and helping Republican congressional candidates..

You frankly forget the core, and you conveniently skip the campaign process.

Most of the grassroots manpower (especially in the South) comes from anti-Rudy Republicans. Whereas, a majority of these folks (probably a bare majority at that) might be able to be arm-twisted into voting for Rudy, the fact is that the rest of what's needed for the Republican bandwagon won't be there...the volunteers will tend to evaporate and & $ raised will pale in comparison to the Dems.

Empower? Well, if you think "anemic" is empowering...

23 posted on 10/20/2007 11:18:12 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: narby

Hating liberalism is always a good thing.


24 posted on 10/20/2007 11:18:30 AM PDT by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: Ol' Sparky
"Then, be prepared for Hillary Clinton to be the next President of United States because millions of conservatives aren't going to vote for a liberal like Giuliani."

Firstly, I take issue with you having the gall to speak for "millions" of conservatives.

Secondly, this conservative will support whomever the Republican nominee is, because this country CANNOT afford another 8 years of a Clinton presidency, and make no mistake, that is what we will have.

Thirdly, unlike you, I believe that Conservatives ALWAYS place their country above themselves. Conservatives are principled, not selfish. So, I believe, and I don't presume to speak for "millions of Conservatives", that TRUE Conservatives will recognize that while Rudy, or Fred, or Mitt or McCain may not be their ideal candidate, agreeing with someone 50% is better than agreeing with them not at all, and will vote to protect our country.

Fourthly, by purpose or design, allowing Hillary Clinton to become POTUS, is despicable and a slap in the face of those in uniform who serve our country. Hillary is unprincipled, you will agree. She serves at the whim of the psychiatric wing of the Democrat party, as represented by Pete Stark, John Murtha, Ted Kennedy and Dick Durbin. These people do NOT support our troops, they do NOT support the mission and DO support returning our country to the days of talk the talk, and never walk the walk. They will NOT respond to attacks on our country, and WILL support the steady march toward socialism and, inevitable, despotism.

In short, not doing everything humanly possible within the law to avoid a Hillary Presidency, is myopic, selfish and irresponsible. It has nothing to do with "principles" and everything to do with intransigence, selfishness, and irresponsibility.

When I became a citizen of this great country, I pledged allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands and I will do whatever I can, under the Law, to defend my country. Hillary Clinton and her cabal of Leftists will harm my country. So whatever I need to do, under the Law, I will do to ensure that no harm comes to my country.

So, if my choice is Rudy or Her Thighness, I will work day and night to ensure that Rudy becomes POTUS.

25 posted on 10/20/2007 11:18:44 AM PDT by sofaman (Ahmadinejad: Those who attempt to rewrite history are probably planning to repeat it.)
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To: Ol' Sparky

“’We’ve got to find a way to be more inclusive,’ Giuliani said. ‘Christianity is all about inclusiveness.”

No, Rudy, it is not. You’re spouting the “religious” left’s WCC-style false doctrine. Christianity is about just the opposite...

Jesus said, “I am the way and the light. None come to the Father but by me.”

Here endeth the Gospel.


26 posted on 10/20/2007 11:19:04 AM PDT by Josh Painter ("I'm not going to dance to anybody's tune." - Fred Thompson)
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To: narby
Better any Republican than a communist like Hillary.

Nope, the enemy outside your camp rallies you, the enemy in your tent kills you.

There's one reason I don't fear a Hillary Presidency as much as I fear a Rudy one--if you go over to DU, you'll see that they're beating up with regularity on Nancy Pelosi for failing to defund the war, and impeach the President. Hillary knows damn good and well that we cannot simply withdraw troops in a quick retreat from Iraq, the resultant bloodbath would both be on her hands, and would justify President Bush's policies all at once. Her failure to immediately withdraw from Iraq would enrage the leftwingers, and she'll instantly lose their support, as they feel like they have been betrayed. The division in the Rat party would be immense.

I fear the same for the Republicans in a Rooty presidency, the first time he nominates a pro-abort SCOTUS justice.

27 posted on 10/20/2007 11:20:40 AM PDT by hunter112 (Change will happen when very good men are forced to do very bad things.)
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To: Ol' Sparky
"The GOP returns to the principles of Reagan or the country can crash and burn."

There, I fixed it for you. No need to thank me.

28 posted on 10/20/2007 11:21:17 AM PDT by sofaman (Ahmadinejad: Those who attempt to rewrite history are probably planning to repeat it.)
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To: sofaman
Conservatives are principled, not selfish.

As the Gipper so eloquently stated,

"So, it was our Republican Party that gave me a political home. When I signed up for duty, I didn't have to check my principles at the door. And I soon found out that the desire for victory did not overcome our devotion to ideals".
--Ronald Reagan remarks at the Republican National Convention in New Orleans, August 15, 1988.

Many of the Rudy apologists will be 'checking theirs at the door'!!

29 posted on 10/20/2007 11:22:25 AM PDT by stockstrader (We need a conservative who will ENERGIZE the Party, not a liberal who will DEMORALIZE it!)
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To: narby
A Republican presidency will empower the Republican party

But, liberal Republican will not only not empower conservatives, but will move the party to left.

A liberal Republican is much more likely to get liberal legislation passed than a liberal Democrat. Republicans are much more likely to resist liberal legislation pushed for by a Democrat than a Republican like Giuliani.

A liberal Republican President guarantees no conservative in the White House until 2016.

The election of Giuliani all but guarantees the GOP has no chance of taking back Congress for a decade. The party in the White House almost always loses seats in Congress over the course of a Presidency. That will be especially true of Giuliani reaches office and drives conservative southerners back to conservative Democrats in Congress. Meanwhile, a Hillary Clinton Presidency could result in Republicans gaining back Congress by 2010.

Voting for a liberal results in liberalism. If you too stupid to understand that, you deserve everything that will occur. I don't want to see people like you whine about it if Giuliani is unelectable or if he reaches office and betrays something you believe in. You've been warned of the consequences.

30 posted on 10/20/2007 11:26:11 AM PDT by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: Colofornian
"You mean like Mussolini was 100x better than Hitler?"

Idiotic post, inspired by intellectual vacuity...

You demean the tragedy wrought upon the millions that died at the hands of the fascists dictators.

The moment you start comparing anyone in US politics to Hitler or Mussolini, you've lost the argument.

The comparison is just plain stupid.

31 posted on 10/20/2007 11:27:06 AM PDT by sofaman (Ahmadinejad: Those who attempt to rewrite history are probably planning to repeat it.)
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To: Bobkk47
No matter who the GOP nominee is, he will be 100x better than what looms for this country should the Socialists take control.

Your salt has lost its season.

Salt is good: but if the salt have lost his saltness, wherewith will ye season it? Have salt in yourselves, and have peace one with another.

32 posted on 10/20/2007 11:27:20 AM PDT by LowOiL (Duncan Hunter .. a man you're not ashamed to support full heartedly..)
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To: Ol' Sparky

I am literally taken aback by the “men” in this election cycle. Holy Cow, men are giving it all up out of fear of an old marxist woman! Amazing.

Come on guys, women like strong men, where are ye?

Hillary and the “other woman” Rudy, have caused you to dump your principles for no other reason than fear.

I would have, at least, expected you to fight for the family, and liberty, over the two that want to restrict you the most.

I may not vote out of total disgust.

By the way, Ol’Sparky, this excludes you, I know you are up for the fight!


33 posted on 10/20/2007 11:29:27 AM PDT by dforest (Duncan Hunter is the best hope we have on both fronts.)
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To: Sturm Ruger
I see....Jews need not apply.

I think that you have the wrong website. You might be more at home at Stormfront, especially with a screen name like that.

34 posted on 10/20/2007 11:30:39 AM PDT by sofaman (Ahmadinejad: Those who attempt to rewrite history are probably planning to repeat it.)
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To: stockstrader
"Liberal Republicans like Giuliani are MUCH MORE DANGEROUS than liberal democrats,,,"

Amen. Plus the Hillary scare overlooks that after Bill's 8 years his approval rating was higher than Bush's. A GOP win depends on the surge. If troops are still getting killed at election time, more Bush will not be in vogue.

Hill will be gone in 2012 if the GOP nominates a conservative - with Rudy it will be liberals forever in both parties.

35 posted on 10/20/2007 11:31:02 AM PDT by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: Ol' Sparky

I think we are gaining traction with the

NO Giuliani = NO PROBLEM

mantra

The fact is the most divisive candidate is Giuliani.

Giuliani is as big a waste of time as Ronpaul because Giuliani IS Hillary.


36 posted on 10/20/2007 11:31:08 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Ol' Sparky

So Sparky, does that mean you were a Grey Davis supporter?


37 posted on 10/20/2007 11:31:43 AM PDT by bayareablues
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To: indylindy

Here Here... good post


38 posted on 10/20/2007 11:31:49 AM PDT by LowOiL (Duncan Hunter .. a man you're not ashamed to support full heartedly..)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Translation:

back to clinton, character does not count.

people are missing.

NO GIULIANI, NO PROBLEM


39 posted on 10/20/2007 11:33:09 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: ex-snook
Exactly. I can't even imagine how many liberals Rudy would flood the government with (as if there aren't even there already).

If you think the Republican Party is just NOT LIBERAL ENOUGH,,,,and iasn't moving to the left fast enough,,,and you want to ACCELERATE that leftward movement,,,

a LIBERAL like Rudy is the RIGHT MAN AT THE RIGHT TIME!!

40 posted on 10/20/2007 11:34:57 AM PDT by stockstrader (We need a conservative who will ENERGIZE the Party, not a liberal who will DEMORALIZE it!)
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To: Bobkk47
No matter who the GOP nominee is, he will be 100x better than what looms for this country should the Socialists take control.

The same "logic" was applied to Arnold Schwarzenegger out in California, too.

There could be nothing that promotes socialism more than letting a Republican socialist take over the party and move it to the left.

41 posted on 10/20/2007 11:35:24 AM PDT by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: stockstrader
Reagan was also the same person that urged Arlen Specter to run in Pennsylvania. Pres Reagan realized that the most important result was to win.

Secondly, Pres Reagan didn't have to check his principles at the door, neither do I and neither do you. Hence his support for Specter.

42 posted on 10/20/2007 11:36:15 AM PDT by sofaman (Ahmadinejad: Those who attempt to rewrite history are probably planning to repeat it.)
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To: sofaman
You will OBVIOUSLY be 'checking your principles at the door'.

Many of us in the 'base' will not. Enjoy your 'new Party'!

43 posted on 10/20/2007 11:38:06 AM PDT by stockstrader (We need a conservative who will ENERGIZE the Party, not a liberal who will DEMORALIZE it!)
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To: Ol' Sparky
“I believe trust is more important than 100 percent agreement.” -- Rooty Tooty

Heck I can't even get 40% agreement on the issues that matter most to me.

Homosexual issues, Abortion issues, 2nd Amendment issues, Illegal issues, religious issues. marriage issues.. appointing CONSERVATIVE judges... Rudy barely hits the ball out of the batters box.. and he has had plenty of times to bat...

44 posted on 10/20/2007 11:38:14 AM PDT by LowOiL (Duncan Hunter .. a man you're not ashamed to support full heartedly..)
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To: Ol' Sparky
Voting for a liberal results in liberalism. If you too stupid to understand that, you deserve everything that will occur.

I'm not buying the story that Rudy is much of a liberal. Yeah, he's crossed up on abortion and gun control, but he won't be able to do anything to damage the country on those issues. Abortion can't get any worse, and even liberals are speaking up in favor of the 2nd amendment now.

The most important issue is what supreme court judges will be nominated in the next 8 years. For a fact Hillary will nominate Ruth Ginsberghs and Rudy would not.

Rudy derangement syndrome from Republicans is just as ugly as that from the Dems against Bush. Get a grip.

45 posted on 10/20/2007 11:39:56 AM PDT by narby
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To: stockstrader
Go do your homework. This is an adult discussion.

But just before you leave, I have never once questioned your principles. I question your myopia and selfishness in demanding that the country heed your demands or you will refuse to vote and allow the nation to be damaged by the likes of a despicable human being like Hillary.

True to form, zealotry demands all or nothing and consequences be damned.

46 posted on 10/20/2007 11:41:39 AM PDT by sofaman (Ahmadinejad: Those who attempt to rewrite history are probably planning to repeat it.)
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To: sofaman
Firstly, I take issue with you having the gall to speak for "millions" of conservatives.

I speak for at least half the people here, including the Founder Jim Robinson, who has stated he will not vote for Giuliani under any circumstance.

A recent Rasmussen poll shows a conservative third-party candidate would garner 27% of the vote:

A new poll from Rasmussen Associates shows just how much a third party candidate might influence the general election. Of the Republicans polled, 27% said that if Rudy Giuliani was the Republican candidate and there was a third party candidate who was backed by Christian conservative leaders, they would vote for the third party candidate.

47 posted on 10/20/2007 11:41:40 AM PDT by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: sofaman; Sturm Ruger
I see....Jews need not apply. I think that you have the wrong website. You might be more at home at Stormfront, especially with a screen name like that.

He quotes scripture and you go wacko with that post? Way out of line sofaman, way out of line. His point was more than valid... you have heard of the narrow path, not the wide one haven't ya?

48 posted on 10/20/2007 11:43:46 AM PDT by LowOiL (Duncan Hunter .. a man you're not ashamed to support full heartedly..)
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To: narby
I'm not buying the story that Rudy is much of a liberal.

Your are kidding, right?

If you want a more authoritarian, bullying, more intrusive, more controlling, all-powerful, ‘big government knows what is best’, 'Big Brother' type of government,,,,,

headed by a pro-abortion, pro-amnesty, pro-litigation, gun-grabbing, gay-rights crusading, condescending, arrogant, and narcissistic, LIBERAL ‘pit bull’, New York lawyer who strongly believes in sanctuary cities, encouraging illegal aliens by telling them they are NOT really illegal, global warming and using our tax money for Federally-funded abortions,,,,

who worked in the Bobby Kennedy campaign, voted for George McGovern, who as mayor publicly distanced himself from Ronald Reagan, and who vocally supported and proudly endorsed a liberal, big-government, socialist democrat like Mario Cuomo over the Republican candidate for governor (largely because the Republican wanted ‘to cut taxes too much’), and has been a defender of Bill Clinton on more than one occasion,,,,

who ran for mayor the first time on the LIBERAL PARTY ticket, ,,

and who was SO LIBERAL that he wasn’t even invited to the Republican Convention in ’96--after refusing to endorse (until the last minute) the Republican candidate opposing Clinton,,,,

and a cousin-marrying, Clinton-apologist--whose personal life is an absolute TRAIN WRECK (almost making Bill Clinton look like a decent family man and loving husband--if that is even possible) is JUST THE MAN FOR THE JOB.

If you want to totally abandon and sacrifice traditional conservative principles and values--a LIBERAL RINO like Rudy JulieAnnie is JUST THE MAN FOR THE JOB!!!!

Yep, no reason to think that he is that much of a liberal at all....lol

49 posted on 10/20/2007 11:44:13 AM PDT by stockstrader (We need a conservative who will ENERGIZE the Party, not a liberal who will DEMORALIZE it!)
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To: narby
Agreed...Reagan was pro-life, and abortion exists. Pres Bush is pro-life..abortion remains.

The only thing that a POTUS can do is appoint judges likely to overturn Roe V Wade and if you think hillary is going to do that, you're smoking Wacky Tobacky!

50 posted on 10/20/2007 11:45:03 AM PDT by sofaman (Ahmadinejad: Those who attempt to rewrite history are probably planning to repeat it.)
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