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(Adulterer, flip-flopper) Giuliani asks Values Voters to trust him
The Politico ^ | 10/20/-2007 | Mike Allen

Posted on 10/20/2007 10:21:39 AM PDT by Ol' Sparky

Former New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani, walking into a political lion’s den, told the year’s largest gathering of social conservatives that he is “not always the best example of faith” but that their similarities are much greater than their differences.

“Isn’t it better that I tell you what I really believe instead of changing all my positions?” Giuliani told an audience of 2,000 at the Family Research Council's Values Voters Summit at a Washington hotel. “I believe trust is more important than 100 percent agreement.”

The audience, generally hostile to Giuliani, recognized the shot at former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, and laughter and a few cheers spread across the room.

The former mayor, who left the stage grinning amid applause after his 40-minute speech, went for an authenticity contrast with Romney, substituting his law and order credentials for the family values emphasis of Romney, a long-married father of five.

Giuliani paid obeisance to the group’s concerns by speaking at length about his support for school choice, home schooling, conservative judges and Israel.

All drew earnest – even enthusiastic – applause. He also gave a detailed plan for reducing abortions and increasing adoptions, the meatiest policy element of his speech.

It was the “everything but” approach – he could agree with the audience on almost everything except whether a woman should be able to choose an abortion, which he supports.

"You and I know I’m not a perfect person,” he said. “I pray for forgiveness, I pray for strength.... I feel my faith deeply, although perhaps more privately than others, because of the way I was brought up.” He said he had prayed to God at the toughest parts of his life.

“During our lives, at some time, all of us need forgiveness,” he added. “If we expect perfection from our political leaders, we’re just asking for disappointment .... We lose trust when they’re not honest with us.... I don’t always agree with myself. [Laughter] … You’ll always know where I stand.... I will continue to extend my hand to you. I hope you’ll take it.”

Giuliani showed humor, noting that he almost entered seminary: “I know that’s hard to believe.” Noting that he attended Catholic school, he said the first school he attended where a prayer wasn’t said at the beginning of the day was the New York University School of Law.

He said that on the first day, out of confusion, he made the sign of the cross. “I looked around and realized people were staring at me,” he joked.

Giuliani pointed out that as New York mayor, he reduced murder, drugs, prostitution and other vices. "I don't believe in inevitable decline," he said, adding he shares President Ronald Reagan's belief in optimism.

"You put Republican ideas into action.... We got results. Humbly, I would say, the best results anyone in that time got in government."

"We drove pornography out of Times Square and other public spaces," he said, drawing hearty applause. "The pornographers lost and they were driven out of Times Square."

Instead of pandering to the group, Giuliani held his ground.

“We’ve got to find a way to be more inclusive,” Giuliani said. “Christianity is all about inclusiveness. It’s built around the most profound act of love in human history, isn’t it? … I’m running for president of the United States because I believe I can bring us together. Strong leadership can help us find common solutions to our problems.”

Giuliani drew laughter by saying he spends as little time in Washington as possible: “I’m afraid there’s something in the air here.”

“I’m not going to pretend that I can be all things to all people,” he declared. “I’m just not like that.”

But he added, in another dig at Romney, “I’ll always be honest with you.... You will always know where I stand.”

“You have absolutely nothing to fear from me,” Giuliani went on, adding that he was puzzled by those who make him out to be some kind of liberal activist: “Just read any New York Times editorial when I was mayor of New York City.” That got a big laugh.

Giuliani was speaking to one of the most conservative audiences in American politics. During a Christian worship service from the podium an hour before Giuliani spoke, leader Ron Freeman interspersed the praise hymn “Blessed be the Name” with the hopeful wish:

“We’ve got the right Senate and the Congress!” The prayer included: “We’ve tried hard to make your agenda, our agenda.”

Politico’s Jonathan Martin contributed to this report.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: elections; frc; giuliani; valuesvoters
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To: narby
Why shouldn’t we say we will not support Rudy the liberal. I will not vote for President if he is the nominee. He has way too many negatives.
201 posted on 10/20/2007 1:55:35 PM PDT by MamaB
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To: narby
hang on! I need to grab the popcorn...the name-calling begins. This is where it becomes entertaining.

By the way, it's terrific to see and read a little sanity. Great posts..

202 posted on 10/20/2007 1:56:50 PM PDT by sofaman (Ahmadinejad: Those who attempt to rewrite history are probably planning to repeat it.)
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To: Grunthor
I will have lost along with him just as you would have lost along with Trudy. But I didn’t have to trade my principles, my ethics, my morals or my beliefs.

No, you wouldn't. You would have helped in a back handed way elect Hillary, a woman that no doubt violates all of your principles. You're merely deluding yourself that it's otherwise.

203 posted on 10/20/2007 1:57:54 PM PDT by narby
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To: sofaman
Secondly, this conservative will support whomever the Republican nominee is, because this country CANNOT afford another 8 years of a Clinton presidency, and make no mistake, that is what we will have.

Anyone who would support a socialist like Giuliani is not a conservative.

I believe that Conservatives ALWAYS place their country above themselves. Conservatives are principled, not selfish.

Unfortunately the GOP has not practiced what you preach. They have preferred over the years to appease the socialist Democrats by replacing core conservative values with socialism at the expense of what once was its conservative base.

that TRUE Conservatives will recognize that while Rudy, or Fred, or Mitt or McCain may not be their ideal candidate, agreeing with someone 50% is better than agreeing with them not at all, and will vote to protect our country.

That is a cop out. Settling for some socialism only begets more socialism as evident with the current GOP leaders.

Fourthly, by purpose or design, allowing Hillary Clinton to become POTUS, is despicable and a slap in the face of those in uniform who serve our country.

It is a slap in the face of Americans by pretending to be strong on the WOT while at the same time granting amnesty to illegal aliens, any number of which are terrorists.

Hillary is unprincipled, you will agree. She serves at the whim of the psychiatric wing of the Democrat party, as represented by Pete Stark, John Murtha, Ted Kennedy and Dick Durbin.

Anyone who attempts to pass himself or herself of as a conservative while accepting socialist positions has no principles.

It has nothing to do with "principles" and everything to do with intransigence, selfishness, and irresponsibility.

This is the prevailing attitude of the GOP and precisely the type of thinking that ignoring the importance of maintaining one's principles that has seen the Republican party align itself with the socialist left. The GOP has sacrificed its principles in the hope of including everyone regardless of political ideology in order to expand its base all for the sake of winning.

Hillary Clinton and her cabal of Leftists will harm my country.

That is true of any socialist, including Rudy Giuliani.
204 posted on 10/20/2007 1:58:15 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: narby

All I can tell you is good luck. If Rudy is the annoited nominee, don’t hold you breath. You best count on those that no one can count on to turn out. You won’t even be able to count on your own party to turn out.

Hell of a deal. A losing one, at that.


205 posted on 10/20/2007 1:59:09 PM PDT by dforest (Duncan Hunter is the best hope we have on both fronts.)
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To: Man50D
"Anyone who would support a socialist like Giuliani is not a conservative."

As defined by Man50D. Here endeth the lesson.

Don't need to read anything further. The first comment is silly enough.

206 posted on 10/20/2007 2:00:26 PM PDT by sofaman (Ahmadinejad: Those who attempt to rewrite history are probably planning to repeat it.)
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To: LowOiL
Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine."

And Bush said lots of nice things about Bill Clinton when they hung that painting of him in the WH.

You believe Hillary would have cleaned up 42nd street? Do you?

207 posted on 10/20/2007 2:00:36 PM PDT by narby
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To: indylindy
So's this!
208 posted on 10/20/2007 2:02:19 PM PDT by Califreak (Duncan Hunter-no clothespin necessary!)
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To: MamaB
I will not vote for Rudy. No way, no how.

Hillary will be so proud....

209 posted on 10/20/2007 2:02:31 PM PDT by narby
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To: narby
Neither are socialists, but Hillary is a communist (and hides it well).

Label them what you want but the bottom line is they share the same political ideology.
210 posted on 10/20/2007 2:02:36 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: narby

Well, I agree with Mr. Robinson. No liberal will get my vote.


211 posted on 10/20/2007 2:02:39 PM PDT by MamaB
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To: Califreak

Like you tagline. LOL!


212 posted on 10/20/2007 2:05:10 PM PDT by dforest (Duncan Hunter is the best hope we have on both fronts.)
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To: narby

The reason is that many on this site will not vote for a liberal like Rudy.


213 posted on 10/20/2007 2:05:33 PM PDT by MamaB
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To: indylindy
If Rudy is the annoited nominee, don’t hold you breath. You best count on those that no one can count on to turn out. You won’t even be able to count on your own party to turn out.

And you will be helping encourage them to stay home.

I think the Republican party will be remaining the stupid party for decades.

214 posted on 10/20/2007 2:06:57 PM PDT by narby
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To: indylindy

I won’t feel dirty at all when I get home from the polling place!

LOL!


215 posted on 10/20/2007 2:07:51 PM PDT by Califreak (Duncan Hunter-no clothespin necessary!)
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To: Riptides
You people amaze me. You will gladly cut off your nose to spite your face.

Its amazing you fail to recognize the obvious fact the GOP has been doing this to itself for years by abandoning its core conservative values.

Rudy has his faults but I will gladly take him over Hillary Clinton.

Those "faults" you refer to is a poor attempt to put a politically correct spin on the fact he is a socialist. He will only bring inflict more socialism on the White House if he wins the election.
216 posted on 10/20/2007 2:08:44 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: Man50D
Label them what you want but the bottom line is they share the same political ideology.

No. They don't.

But you can keep on saying that all you want. People will follow the one who says something the loudest and most often, even if they're completely wrong.

217 posted on 10/20/2007 2:09:55 PM PDT by narby
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To: Eva
How about dedicating some of that outrage to fighting Hillary?

Give me an acceptable, conservative nominee and you will see just that.

But, when it ends up being an adulterous, liberal Republican flip-flopper vs. the wife of a Democratic version of the same thing, the election ceases to be about right or wrong or conservative vs. liberal anymore.

218 posted on 10/20/2007 2:11:01 PM PDT by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: narby

You know good and well that there are many things about Rudy that we do not like.


219 posted on 10/20/2007 2:11:21 PM PDT by MamaB
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To: MamaB
Well, I agree with Mr. Robinson. No liberal will get my vote.

All I know is that when Rudy was the Mayor, the NYTimes and the glitterati from the upper west side hated his guts.

Any enemy of them is a friend of mine, and Mr. Robinson will have a hard time convincing me otherwise.

220 posted on 10/20/2007 2:11:58 PM PDT by narby
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