Posted on 10/20/2007 2:08:12 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
"I speak for at least half the people here, including the Founder Jim Robinson, who has stated he will not vote for Giuliani under any circumstance."
Agree.
Don't Cut and Run, vote pro-life every time. It's the way you always win.
‘We cannot diminish the value of one category of human life — the unborn — without diminishing the value of all human life.’ —Ronald Reagan
Oh, and I’ve read somewhere (wish I’d bookmarked it!) that when the single cell that eventually becomes the heart is formed, it is already ‘beating’! And I believe that was even earlier than 18 days after conception!! God has formed us in miraculous ways. How can we wantonly destroy the least defenseless among us? :*(
BTTT
You’re the one who said they would vote for the Socialist Hillary. Who’s the conservative now?
Your faith in the states to uphold unalienable rights is misplaced, and negates the very reason for the existence of our nation.
To wit, the founding paragraph of America:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men...
For America to be a just nation, and for the Union to endure, unalienable rights MUST be assured for all persons. All, on every square inch of our territory.
I am not disagreeing with you. But, the way things stand at present, our current Federal makeup will continue to allow babies to be murdered. At the state level we would still see some states continue this attrocity. But, the majority would go the way of life, I believe.
My thought at this point is to stop the killing. We can heal the nation later. We don’t just sit back and wait for the Feds to do the right thing. At the local level, where people live, they have to get the message about how wrong this is.
Personally, this will be the first time in my 47 year life that I have declared myself anything but Independent.
I need Rudy to lose the nomination. I vote Thompson.
If by some horror of reality, Rudy makes it, then I am charged to vote the lesser of two evils. Or as it states in my Catholic Voter’s guide...
8. What if none of the candidates are completely pro-life?
As Pope John Paul II explains in his encyclical, Evangelium Vitae (The Gospel of Life), “…when it is not possible to overturn or completely abrogate a pro-abortion law, an elected official, whose absolute personal opposition to procured abortion was well known, could licitly support proposals aimed at limiting the harm done by such a law and at lessening its negative consequences at the level of general opinion and morality. This does not in fact represent an illicit cooperation with an unjust law, but rather a legitimate and proper attempt to limit its evil aspects.” Logically, it follows from these words of the Pope that a voter may likewise vote for that candidate who will most likely limit the evils of abortion or any other moral evil at issue.
Or I could vote with my idiot BIL and go for Ron Paul. It would be as repugnant as a vote for Rudy.
“Shocking!
We made it almost to post #700 before one of the Rooty Rooter FRiberals compared conservatives to the Taliban.”
LOL!
In other words, vote GOP.
I just hope this conversation is moot. As far as my vote in the primary...well Pennsylvania does not vote until April...way past the winner of the nomination.
Exactly! So if Hillary is elected, there'll be another GOP takeover of Congress in 2010 then. The GOP will be much more stronger & certainly more conservative. Much better than drifting to the left more under a President Giuiliani, who would be cutting deals with the Rats and RINOs to pass more socialism.
And what has happened with all these blogs, the internet and your beloved FR?
The Internet, FR and the blogs were all the after-effects from the Clinton administration. Would there have been a FR or WND had Bush I been re-elected?
We had a Democrat takeover and a country that has turned FURTHER to the left. The internet doesn't just veer to the right, in case you haven't noticed.
The Democrats didn't take over anything. None of their major bills have passed. SCHIP just died in the House.
If the race is between Rudy vs Hillary, conservatives are going to stay home or vote 3rd party. You can scream about the Hillary bogeywoman all you want but conservatives simply aren't going to hold their nose anymore. Better to refresh the tree of liberty than to see it wither and die on the vine.
After 45 years of political experience it is my considered opinion that, in the long run, it would be better for the conservative movement and the country for Clinton to be President, with the GOP conservative, than for the country and the party be controlled by Giulani. It is rather a close call, but that is how I see it.
In addition, I decided more than 30 years ago that I would never vote for a baby killer for president. Better to be in hell on earth than in Hell for Eternity.
Honestly, that is what I am seeing too.
Wow, what a mixed metaphor!!
I think I like it, sort of.
“Has it escaped your notice that of the 50 MILLION babies slaughtered by your favorite SCOTUS decision, approximately half of them were females?
How can you support women’s rights and still support the murder of 25 MILLION women?”
I would like to hear the answer to that one myself.
Well strike me down, then. Because I ain't voting for Rudy, even if Stalin was his opponent.
” I decided more than 30 years ago that I would never vote for a baby killer for president. Better to be in hell on earth than in Hell for Eternity.”
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I dont think it's a comparable analogy. I read somewhere (probably here) that Rudy had to nominate from a list provided to him from a NYC committee. Dont remember if it was a committee of the NY bar, but it might have been. Anyway, I was just wondering if you had looked into the pool of people he had to choose from. I have not been able to rule out the possibility that this committee, by virtue of its composition, gave him a group that was largely liberals.
As I recall he did appoint some Republicans to the bench but I don't know their names.
“I ain’t voting for Rudy, even if Stalin was his opponent.”
BUMP
Thank you for so beautifully proving my point.
There is nothing in my statement that would indicate I believed a "right to abortion" exists in the Constitution.
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