Bar blasts judge for calling prostitute's rape 'robbery'(FEMALE JUDGE!!!!)

AP ^ | 11/1/2007 | Maryclaire Dale

[Red in Blue PA]

In a rare rebuke, the city's bar association condemned a judge who dismissed rape charges in the alleged gang rape of a prostitute and instead called it a theft of services.

The prostitute admitted going to a home on Sept. 20 to have paid sex with a customer but said she was instead gang-raped by four men, including the customer, while he fixed a gun on her.

Municipal Judge Teresa Carr Deni dropped the rape and sexual-assault charges at an Oct. 4 preliminary hearing, but upheld robbery, false imprisonment and conspiracy charges against Dominique Gindraw.

Deni has since heightened the furor in defending her decision to a newspaper.

''She consented and she didn't get paid,'' Deni told the Philadelphia Daily News. ''I thought it was a robbery.''

[TigersEye]

Elitism is alive and well. The left holds no monopoly on it nor do Islamo-fascists.

[pandoraou812]

Sure seems like it doesn’t it?

[FourtySeven]

Wow, I didn’t know there were so many people on FR that subscribed to the self-serving, self-righteous, self-ISH philosophy of “Well, the victim shouldn’t have put him/herself in that situation”.

Actually, this reminds me of one of the things that bugged me (and still does) about FR when I first signed on almost 6 years ago: Far too many apparently rational people seem to think that, in certain situations, victims of crime “deserve it” or “get what they asked for”, as if that somehow mitigates the responsibility that squarely rests on the shoulders of the offender.

So much for “personal responsibility”. I guess it takes a “village to make a criminal”? Myself, I don’t care what someone does for a living, or where they walked at night, or what kind of clothes they wear: If one is a victim of crime, one is a victim, period. The time of day, place, or profession of the victim doesn’t mitigate the responsibility of the offender one iota.

To say otherwise is, at least, unsympathetic and at worst, evil in its cruelty. Disagree? Post away, but I have no desire to debate the merits of something that should be clear to anyone with compassion.

[pray4liberty]

Maybe he’d do a bit more time, but being convicted of robbery doesn’t have the same life-ruining flavor of being a convicted sex offender.

If I was on the jury, I would have voted guilty on all charges (including the rape). Too bad this girl didn't live in Nevada where prostitution is legal...these guys would be dead by now.

[Maverick68]

It’s not selfish or neanderthal to think she put herself in this position. She is engaging in criminal activities with other criminals. Doesn’t mean she deserved to be raped, but yes, she is responsible for putting herself into a very bad situation. Should the guys that raped her be punished? Hell, string em’ up. Hopefully this incident will serve as a lesson to young women who are thinking of following in her footsteps. Rape is of course a very touchy situation with many people, as some have been affected by it personally. I am of the mind that we execute violent rapists and put women who falsely and maliciously accuse men of rape into prison for many years (no means no, but no in the middle or after doesn’t mean you’ve been raped)...

[ezsmoke]

If any woman is forced to have sex, then that is rape period. Anyone who disagrees with that or thinks it is ok to force a woman needs to be removed from this earth by force.

[trisham]

Anyone who disagrees with that or thinks it is ok to force a woman needs to be removed from this earth by force.

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People who disagree with you or think differently should be killed? Really?

[ezsmoke]

If you think rape is ok depending on the person, absolutely.

[ezsmoke]

That is the general ‘you’ btw.

[kabar]

So by your logic, a prostitute can’t be a victim of rape.

[trisham]

Just thinking about something is enough to be executed, in your eyes?

Right now, I'm thinking you're an idiot.

[ezsmoke]

You are inferior. I could not possibly care less what you think. Rapists and their defenders should be executed!

[ezsmoke]

I’m done here. Last post.

[colorcountry]

Sure she can.

[SamuraiScot]

"unlawful sexual activity and usually sexual intercourse carried out forcibly or under threat of injury against the will"

If a spouse is forced against her will to have sex, this certainly qualifies by definition as rape.

The dictionary definition you cite contradicts what you wrote below it. "Unlawful" intercourse means sex outside of marriage. It has no other meaning. If it's both forcible and unlawful, it's rape.

Denounce evil husbands by all means, and with all kinds of names. Just don't call sex within marriage rape. It doesn't fit the definition.

[anton]

Isn’t part of the intellectual problem here that rape is a unique form of assault that we, as a society, have decided bears a special punishment?

I mean, I wouldn’t want to be have somebody knock my front teeth out with a hammer and thrown me down a flight of stairs so I spend 3 months in the hospital, but in Ohio, if someone did that he’s be out of jail before I’m out of the hospital. On the other hand, a guy who wants a twofer with a whore could conceivably get life in prison. Just something about that relative punishment doesn’t seem quite right.

[kabar]

The prostitute admitted going to a home on Sept. 20 to have paid sex with a customer but said she was instead gang-raped by four men...She went to a North Philadelphia home to meet the customer, who had agreed to pay her $150 for sex. He then said a friend was coming with the money, and that the friend would pay her another $100 for sex. Instead, three other men arrived, and Gindraw pulled a gun and ordered the woman to have sex with all of them, she testified.

This wasn't consensual sex, paid or otherwise, with the three who showed up outside her agreement with her customer. She was raped, pure and simple.

[kabar]

Denounce evil husbands by all means, and with all kinds of names. Just don't call sex within marriage rape. It doesn't fit the definition.

What about married couples who are legally separated, living apart, or awaiting their divorce to become final? Does the husband have to right to demand or force sex right up until the marriage is dissolved?

[kabar]

Until the late 1970's, most states did not consider spousal rape a crime. Typically, spouses were exempted from the sexual assault laws. For example, until 1993 North Carolina law stated that "a person may not be prosecuted under this article if the victim is the person's legal spouse at the time of the commission of the alleged rape or sexual offense unless the parties are living separate and apart." These laws are traceable to a pronouncement by Michael Hale, who was Chief Justice in England in the 17th century, that a husband cannot be guilty of rape of his wife "for by their mutual matrimonial consent and contract the wife hath given up herself in this kind unto the husband which she cannot retract." (1) In the late 1970's, feminists began efforts to change these laws. Currently, rape of a spouse is a crime in all 50 states and the District of Columbia

[colorcountry]

There were no charges against any of the other men, only the initial John. Now what?

From the article:

“Municipal Judge Teresa Carr Deni dropped the rape and sexual-assault charges at an Oct. 4 preliminary hearing, but upheld robbery, false imprisonment and conspiracy charges against Dominique Gindraw.”

“Gindraw, 19, also took her cell phone and a purse containing pepper spray, she said. The other men have not been identified or charged.”