Posted on 11/01/2007 5:07:20 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA
In a rare rebuke, the city's bar association condemned a judge who dismissed rape charges in the alleged gang rape of a prostitute and instead called it a theft of services.
The prostitute admitted going to a home on Sept. 20 to have paid sex with a customer but said she was instead gang-raped by four men, including the customer, while he fixed a gun on her.
Municipal Judge Teresa Carr Deni dropped the rape and sexual-assault charges at an Oct. 4 preliminary hearing, but upheld robbery, false imprisonment and conspiracy charges against Dominique Gindraw.
Deni has since heightened the furor in defending her decision to a newspaper.
''She consented and she didn't get paid,'' Deni told the Philadelphia Daily News. ''I thought it was a robbery.''
(Excerpt) Read more at mcall.com ...
Impeach the judge, appeal the decision, and initiate charges against the others.
Did you miss the part where it said the other men HAVE NOT BEEN IDENTIFIED! Sheesh!
Then initiate actions to identify them. I am sure they left some sperm and other traces of their presence behind. They must have know the customer because they came to his house. Perhaps some immunity could be offered in return for the information.
Very well said.
I am amazed at the lack of compassion by those very people who profess to practise this daily.
''He said that I'm going to do this for free and I'm not going nowhere and I better cooperate or he was going to kill me,'' the woman testified at the preliminary hearing. ''I didn't know if I was going [to] make it out of there alive because I seen everyone's face.
Gindraw, 19, also took her cell phone and a purse containing pepper spray, she said. The other men have not been identified or charged.
Not identified to whom? The media or can't be identified? The police may very well have not released their names because they have not been charged with a crime.
I know this will be hard for you, but let’s imagine that the girl didn’t get paid and made up a story about three other men and a gun.
We here on FR, simply do not have the full story, nor the complete testimony. There are no other suspects. The police have not identified any. And for this you want the Judge’s hide (and mine). Okay, whatever. But if we are going to talk about the “rule of law,” the rule hasn’t necessarily proven a rape occured, at least in the mind of a legally appointed judge.
It is utterly amazing to me that on FR there are defenders of rapists.
Nonsense with the “full story”......you thought she deserved it from the get-go.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1919404/posts?q=1&;page=1#3
Maybe, but that is not the issue in this case. And we don't know if the police and hospital authorities treated her as a rape victim when it came to collecting evidence.
We here on FR, simply do not have the full story, nor the complete testimony. There are no other suspects. The police have not identified any. And for this you want the Judge’s hide (and mine). Okay, whatever. But if we are going to talk about the “rule of law,” the rule hasn’t necessarily proven a rape occured, at least in the mind of a legally appointed judge.
Judges and prosecuters are not immune from being corrupt or incompetent. Yes, we need to know more about the case, but the judge dropped the rape and sexual-assault charges at an Oct. 4 preliminary hearing, but upheld robbery, false imprisonment and conspiracy charges against Dominique Gindraw.
The question is whether even a prostitute can get raped. It is also worth noting that, "The chancellor of the Philadelphia Bar Association issued a statement Tuesday that questioned Deni's [judge] understanding of the state's rape law."
How many times have we heard that rape isn't sex, that it's violence? At the same time, we're told it should be treated in a special way. Perhaps it's time to make up our minds, and require the same standards for prosecution and conviction that we do for other crimes.
Perhaps due only to her lack of understanding of state law, but her logic is impeccable.
What is your problem? What is wrong with wanting rapists and anyone who protects them dead? My initial comment was not directed to anyone in the thread. My comments are directed at actual criminals. You want to pick a fight for some reason, and you insult me. Why?
Kinda hard to charge someone who hasn't even been IDed yet. wouldn't you say?
Yes sir.
It seems at this point in time we have a “he said, she said.”
226 posted on 11/01/2007 4:50:36 PM EDT by ezsmoke
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See the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Fortunately for all of us, simply thinking something is not yet worthy of prosecution, imprisonment, or execution.
I meant that anyone who thinks it is ok and does it. I thought that was implied.
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I didn't see that implication, but I will take your word for it. We still disagree, because I don't believe in the death penalty for rape. Jail time, yes. Execution, no. Beyond the fact that in my opinion (and the Catholic Church's) it's excessive punishment, I've read of women who have lied about it. I'm sure you have as well.
If someone thinks rape is ok and does not commit any criminal act, then no they should not be executed, though anyone who thinks it is ok is not human in my opinion.
Sorry for not catching my lack of clarity earlier.
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