Posted on 11/01/2007 7:19:08 AM PDT by Woodland
The new campaign slogan for Giuliani in 2008!!! ;)
Are you talking to me? I don’t see where your comment has anything to do with mine...
Wait until you turn 50.
Then your Doc will get 'things' close to your butt on a regular basis, if you get my drift.
Well, that seals it.
...gerbils don't cut it. :o)
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But the reality is that they do have a choice. They will tell you that they cannot help being Queer because they were born that way. Well, I simply cannot believe that anybody was born that way. When you are “Queer” you don’t pass genes on to the society so your genes are lost forever. After so many thousands of years any queer genes would have been lost for ever yet 2% still act as though they were passed these genes. Where were they passed from?
I say they should just straighten out.
The problem lies in the fact that behaviors, once held simply as sinful actions, are being lauded as definers of identity.
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BINGO!!
THE ESSENCE OF THE DEBATE!!
After many years of conversation and observation on both sides of these issues....
In my humble opinion....
It's the ADHERENTS/MEMBERS of the subculture of these "alternative lifestyle" sexual behaviors that have INSISTED....
That their patterns of conduct define WHO THEY ARE (G?? L?? B?? T??)....
....Instead of WHAT THEY DO (homosex actitivies).
"God made me this way...."
"I didn't choose these feelings...."
"Change is not an option..."
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The Biblical counsel is plain on its face....
Old Testament (Law) and New Testament (Spirit) are in thematic harmony here:
The only question then becomes whether we choose to receive and accurately apply the Word to every aspect of life --
...Including the bedroom.
The Bible stells us that homosex behavior patterns are sinful and destructive--
YET... there remains room to repent--
The "space and grace" everyone needs to overcome life-besetting sinful tendencies and patterns...
THIIISSSSS.... is where the community of faith needs to release God's unconditional love instead of criticism and condemnation....
....And continually encourage each individual in their challenges while and celebrating every victory over sin and death!
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For many people -- the addictive sins are not sexual -- but remain destructive....nonetheless.
No one says that changing these patterns and conquering the feelings, attractions, and appetites is easy --
THATTTTTT..... is why we need the life-changing power of God -- the Presence of the Spirit within us to help us win every tug-of-war with the flesh.
It is very hard.... but it is not impossible....
It is worth the struggle to celebrate the deliverance and the daily victory...
The most important part of "getting saved" is the promise of eternal life with God.... through our redemptive relationship with Jesus....
The next provision of mercy is "getting saved from ourselves".. and all of our self-centered attitudes and and self-destructive behaviors... through the constant Presence and life-giving power of the Holy Spirit!
Then choosing to give that same love and mercy away --
None of us are any better than the next person in line for God's provision of life and grace...
FREEDOM...
It is God's will that everyone find the resolve and call upon the resources of heaven to escape every destructive pattern of our fallen nature.
Don’t you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don’t fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality....
...or are thieves, or greedy people, or drunkards, or are abusive, or cheat people—none of these will inherit the Kingdom of God.
Some of you were once like that. But you were cleansed; you were made holy; you were made right with God by calling on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
--1 Corinthians 6:9-11(NLT)
It's a long post....
But just my humble (convictions)
Matt is an excellent big brother. I agree with what he said.
God continued to use men like Judah, David, and others, and there is a reason that has to do with the prophecy of the preservation of the “Seed of the woman” (Genesis 3:15) that produced the “Son of Man,” Jesus Christ our Saviour (Pslam 8). And in that line are actuall a couple of Harlots. It is not the condoning of sin on God’s part. Those people suffered in their flesh for those sins and there power in spiritual matters was diminished.
But the Bible never mentions any man that kept any honour at all that was a sodomite (homosexual), and two tribes of Israel suffered many thousands of deaths over the proliferation of sodomy (the Book of Judges), and God fire bombed the cities of the plain (Genesis) over it.
Sodomy is detailed as the dregs of man’s reprobation in Romans chapter 1.
Rom 1: 26,27 ESV
For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.
Rom 1:27 NLT
"And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men, and as a result of this sin, they suffered within themselves the penalty they deserved.
JFB Commentary - Rom 1:27. “and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet”—alluding to the many physical and moral ways in which, under the righteous government of God, vice was made self-avenging.
ping
Anti-dentite b$@#!#d.
“They are also neurotic as hell and need to project themselves on the rest of us.”
You are absolutely correct. I was a deputy prosecutor for 18 years and prosecuted a number of out of the closet gays. EVERY last one of them exhibited a serious personality disorder. And yes, they go out of their way to project it on everyone.
My take is that deep down inside, despite all of their rationalization and justification, they KNOW that what they do is WRONG. And they are psychologically miserable for it. The reaction is to either try to justify it by having the world constantly tell them “it’s OK” or to make everyone else just as miserable as they are.
1st Peter, Chapter 4, speaks to this issue. God speaks through our hearts to let us know what is good, and what is an abomination.
We are to follow Christs lead, forgive those who want to change, but not to subjugate ourselves to those who promote sin.
We must stand up for our beliefs, or Christ will not stand for us in the time of judgment.
“Somewhere in the Bible there is a verse that says effectively that being gay is such an abomination and so deeply affects the person, that it changes the person’s countenance. You know that weird queer look many of them get?? Well, that’s what this verse is taking about.”
Not ‘being gay”—but doing homosexual acts are abominations in the Bible. “Being gay” is a new concept. Whether and to what degre such folks even existed in traditional societies is impossible to know for sure. That people did homosexual acts is clear and the Bible condemns them. But this “being gay” stuff is new. That whatever percentage of the population “is” gay today probably reflects at least in part the chaos we’ve created in our heterosexual relations, which messes up parenting and messed up parenting contributes to “being gay.” (There’s no convincing evidence it is genetic or congenital.)
It’s important to make these distinctions or else you are already arguing by your opponents’ rules rather than neutral rules. And that’s not a smart thing to do.
Is there a bumper sticker of that?
“But the reality is that they do have a choice. They will tell you that they cannot help being Queer because they were born that way. Well, I simply cannot believe that anybody was born that way. When you are “Queer” you don’t pass genes on to the society so your genes are lost forever. After so many thousands of years any queer genes would have been lost for ever yet 2% still act as though they were passed these genes. Where were they passed from?”
Well, yes and no. They do have a choice about whether to act out on their orientation (do homosexual acts or consent to homosexual lustful thoughts). They are not born that way, for sure. None of the studies they claim show that the orientation is congenital are convincing.
But you are wrong to ignore the fact that for some or perhaps most people with same-sex-attraction, they did not choose it. The best studies seem to indicate that it arises out of the chaotic sexual climate we have created since the 1960s, in which sex separated from procreation (contraception) led to a lot more divorce, a lot more fatherlessness, a lot more messed up people raising messed up children. That may not explain every case, but it seems to be the most common factor in studies done by those who are not simply shills for the gay activists. (I have in mind the work of the NARTH association of psychologists—National Association for Reparative Therapy or something like that—Christian psychologists who are pilloried and despised by the gay activists but who have persevered in trying truly to understand what causes SSA.)
When society holds 'Adultery pride parades' when kids are told 'Kleptomania is a healthy life style choice in school' when state judiciaries are ramming laws about permitting incest down our throats then I suppose the focus will disburse a bit.
Until then the two major issues Abortion and Homosexuality will rule the social conservative agenda.
Also countenance is more about attitude than actual physical attributes. We do see attitude changes in homos with the pursed lips and the lisps for men and they dyke haircuts and fat and boy clothes for female homos. But I see no mention of countenance as related to them.
You should probably cite the verse, just to be safe.
I would add that their speech and mannerisms change, too. I always wonder, do homosexuals go to some kind of finishing school where they learn how to mince and lisp?
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