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Lots of logs, not enough loggers
Vail Daily ^ | February 1, 2005 | Cliff Thompson

Posted on 11/07/2007 1:21:09 PM PST by george76

When the U.S. Forest Service received no bids on two small timber sales in Eagle County earlier this year, the agency's local rangers encountered what is becoming a problem throughout the intermountain West.

The federal agency got a lesson in market economics and the three-way tug of war over lumber in national forests. There were no bidders for the timber "salvage" sales designed to remove trees killed by infesting pine beetles. The Forest Service also wants to sell the dead trees so they won't add extra fuel to wildfires.

The glut of dead trees is occurring at a time when economics, the few Forest Service timber sales and natural trends have left few loggers and lumber mills.

The amount of dead trees available for loggers and mills is at an all-time high and growing as the pine beetle epidemic spreads. The ability to extract them remains a bottleneck.

But in the three-part dance of the Forest Service, loggers and lumber mills...a mixture of all three combined with environmental constraints...

Chris Meyers' Intermountain Resources in Montrose is one of the few mills left in the state...

Part of the problem is the Forest Service hasn't sold enough logs in recent years to support the timber industry...

"It's has caused a shrinking of the industry,"

The closest lumber mill is the one in Montrose, more than 150 miles away and the next nearest is in Price, Utah, approximately 300 miles distant.

"Over the last two decades local mills have been eliminated," ...

"In Colorado there's only one big mill," said timber specialist Bob Garcia...

"The (cost of) the haul there makes some sales uneconomical," ...

But the situation is not isolated to Eagle County or even just to Colorado...

(Excerpt) Read more at vaildaily.com ...


TOPICS: Government; US: Arizona; US: California; US: Colorado; US: Oregon; US: Utah; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: colorado; forestservice; globalwarming; landuse; loggers; logging; lumber; lumbermills; mills; pinebeetles; timber; timbersales; usfs; vail; wildfires; wildlandfires
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To: george76
The same preservationism that drove out the forestry industry is the cause of the pine beetle infestation. Now that global warming is blamed for everything, the envirowhackos who caused this problem are trying to convince people that global warming is the cause. These forests were too old, and weakened — the infestation was inevitable.

We have a huge problem with pine beetles in BC too. The cause was too vigorous fire suppression — but, global warming is being blamed (with zero evidence to support it).

21 posted on 11/07/2007 1:50:50 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: george76
having grown up in a washington state logging town, I can say there are PLENTY of loggers.

Only they are now desk clerks at the Local Super 8 motel

Thanks, granola heads!

22 posted on 11/07/2007 1:52:00 PM PST by llevrok (Born a ham and never cured.)
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To: Vigilanteman
the national forests should be privatized to pay off the national debt or turned over to their respective states

F#$% that ... just reactivate the Homestead act and give the land back to the citizens.

23 posted on 11/07/2007 2:02:24 PM PST by Centurion2000 (False modesty is as great a sin as false pride.)
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To: george76

Had a local-owned sawmill in my neck of the woods that’s been around longer than my half-century shutdown this summer. Sad to see it not operating. Affected a good number of sawmillers as well as timber haulers. Heard it was Canadian timber driving prices down that led to them closing their operations. I don’t know if that’s a fact though.


24 posted on 11/07/2007 2:05:06 PM PST by OB1kNOb (Support Duncan Hunter for the 2008 GOP presidential nominee. He is THE conservative candidate!!)
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To: george76

“I own a lumber company??? Need some wood??”

</Dubya>


25 posted on 11/07/2007 2:12:27 PM PST by BreitbartSentMe (Ex-Dem since 2001 *Folding@Home for the Gipper - Join the FReeper Folders*)
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion; Vigilanteman
Government lands in this country (anything with color) .... this is outrageous.

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26 posted on 11/07/2007 2:14:28 PM PST by Centurion2000 (False modesty is as great a sin as false pride.)
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion

Wow!!! What a magnificent tagline!!! (thanks for da ping)


27 posted on 11/07/2007 2:16:27 PM PST by SierraWasp (If Dems had brains they'd be Repubs. And when they learned to use 'em, they'd be CONSERVATIVES!!!)
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To: george76

Gee the UNION word was never used today.


28 posted on 11/07/2007 2:19:45 PM PST by Domangart (editor and publisher)
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To: Centurion2000; TenthAmendmentChampion

All that government “owned” land makes me want to howl like that dumb wolf on that National Wilderness Institute logo!!! Is this map their creation? If so, are they braggin, or complainin???


29 posted on 11/07/2007 2:21:52 PM PST by SierraWasp (If Dems had brains they'd be Repubs. And when they learned to use 'em, they'd be CONSERVATIVES!!!)
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To: SierraWasp

Wow, thanks SW. Check out the map a few posts up. Sad...


30 posted on 11/07/2007 2:54:47 PM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (Global warming is to Revelations as the theory of evolution is to Genesis.)
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To: SierraWasp

Oops, never mind, you commented on the map already.


31 posted on 11/07/2007 2:56:44 PM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (Global warming is to Revelations as the theory of evolution is to Genesis.)
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To: llevrok; Grampa Dave; calcowgirl

Lots of good folks were loggers.

We need them and they want to get back to work.


32 posted on 11/07/2007 4:35:30 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA; jazusamo

After several years / sets of LA fires, this may get some attention.

Fires in the ‘fly over areas’ like Montana, Idaho, Colorado, Utah, Washington...do not get front page breaking news national coverage.


33 posted on 11/07/2007 4:38:27 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: OB1kNOb; crz; HairOfTheDog

With the loonie up and dollar down, Canadian lumber may get more expensive ?


34 posted on 11/07/2007 4:39:47 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Centurion2000; forester; editor-surveyor; marsh2; Grampa Dave; SierraWasp
and don’t you dare ride your dirt bike or 4wd on these lands...
35 posted on 11/07/2007 5:30:57 PM PST by tubebender (My weight is perfect for my height... which varies...)
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To: tubebender; forester; Grampa Dave; george76; dalereed; NormsRevenge; Syncro

I’d like to put hill climbin knobby dirt bike tire prints right on their dumb butts!!! (whilst I’m still young and healthy enough to stand up on the pegs!!!)


36 posted on 11/07/2007 6:34:06 PM PST by SierraWasp (If Dems had brains they'd be Repubs. And when they learned to use 'em, they'd be CONSERVATIVES!!!)
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To: george76

As the second larget timber producing county in California, we had several mills in the 1980s. All the dimensional wood saw mills and the moulding plant have closed. All we have left is two plywood veneer mills that take trees under about 23 inches in diameter.

At a meeting I attended with the US Forest Service Chief, a gentleman from Sierra Pacific pointed out that the region is losing its timber infrastructure:
1. USFS sawlog volume accounts for only 15% of total volume harvested in CA
2. Mills have closed, many mills currently working reduced shifts due to reduction in volume of wood
3. From 06 to 07, there has been a 26% drop in USFS sawlog volume and a 9% drop in non-sawlog volume.
4. The existing infrastructure is at risk and all depends on sawlog volume, not firewood or biomass.
5. There is a disconnect in the USFS in determining what is an economical timber sale.

The Chief said there was a lack of “social license” to harvest trees anymore.


37 posted on 11/07/2007 7:22:57 PM PST by marsh2
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To: george76

environmentalists,, Perfect StormTroopers.. saving dead wood (so it can catch fire and consume forests and wildlife.. oh.. and residents, most of them taxpayers)


38 posted on 11/07/2007 7:46:38 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: tubebender

Who’s dirt bike should I ride on them if I can’t ride mine?


39 posted on 11/07/2007 7:56:52 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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To: george76

Standing dead timber isn’t much good for anything but building log houses. It’s too dry, cracked, and twisted for milling.

They should know enough to throw in some good trees to pay the bills if they want any bidders. The trees are growing way faster than we can ever cut them; it’s time to get in gear.


40 posted on 11/07/2007 8:01:59 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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