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US is‘worst’ imperialist: archbishop
Timesonline.com ^ | 11/25/07 | Timesonline.com

Posted on 11/24/2007 11:42:20 PM PST by Roberts

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To: Roberts
Dear Archbishop:

Hahahahahahahahahahah.....gasp.....hahahahahah!!

Sincerely (or not)

Redhead

41 posted on 11/25/2007 1:22:22 AM PST by redhead (VICTORY FIRST, THEN PEACE)
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To: Republican Party Reptile

From the Spanish-American archives in the Library of Congress.

“Soldiers of The American army:

We ‘would not be fulfilling our duty as well-born men in whose breasts there live gratitude and courtesy should we embark for our beloved Spain without sending to you our most cordial and sincere good wishes and farewell.

We fought you with ardor, with all our strength, endeavoring to gain the victory, but without the slightest rancor or hate toward the American nation.

We have been vanquished by you (so our generals and chiefs judged in signing the capitulation), but our surrender and the bloody battle preceding it have left in our souls no place for resentment against the men who fought us nobly and valiantly.

You fought and acted in compliance with the same call of duty as we, for we all represent the power of our respective States.

You fought us as men face to face and with great courage, as before stated, a quality which we had not met with during the three years we have carried on this war against a people without religion, without morals, without conscience and of doubtful origin, who could not confront the enemy, but, bidden, shot their noble victims from ambush and then immediately fled.

This was the kind of warfare we had to sustain in this unfortunate land.

You have complied exactly with all the laws and usages of war as recognized by the armies of the most civilized nations of the world; have given honorable burial to the dead of the vanquished; have cured their wounded with great humanity; have respected and cared for your prisoners and their comfort; and, lastly, to us, whose condition was terrible, you have, given freely of food, of your stock of medicines, and you have honored us with distinction and courtesy, for after the fighting the two armies mingled with the utmost harmony.

With the high sentiment of appreciation from us all, there remains but to express our farewell, and with the greatest sincerity we wish you all happiness and health in this land, which will no longer belong to our, dear Spain but will be yours, who have conquered it by force and watered it with your blood as your conscience called for, under the demand of civilization and humanity.

From 11,000 Spanish soldiers
Pedro Lopez de Castillo, Soldier of Infantry
Santiago de Cuba, August 21, 1898.”

From the same Library of Congress archives.

“The Teller and Platt Amendments”

“In April 1898 Senator Henry M. Teller (Colorado) proposed an amendment to the U.S. declaration of war against Spain which proclaimed that the United States would not establish permanent control over Cuba.

It stated that the United States “hereby disclaims any disposition of intention to exercise sovereignty, jurisdiction, or control over said island except for pacification thereof, and asserts its determination, when that is accomplished, to leave the government and control of the island to its people.”

The Senate passed the amendment on April 19. True to the letter of the Teller Amendment, after Spanish troops left the island in 1898, the United States occupied Cuba until 1902.”


42 posted on 11/25/2007 1:27:58 AM PST by managusta (For those who feel, life is a tragedy,for others who think, it is a comedy.)
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To: Roberts

..."somebody wake me when this twit makes any sense"

43 posted on 11/25/2007 1:39:13 AM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Roberts
"He contrasted it unfavourably with how the British Empire governed India. “It is one thing to take over a territory and then pour energy and resources into administering it and normalising it. Rightly or wrongly, that’s what the British Empire did — in India, for example."

The Empire starved millions of Indians to death with its policy.


44 posted on 11/25/2007 1:41:02 AM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt.)--has-been)
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To: Roberts
In the interview in Emel, a Muslim lifestyle magazine, Williams makes only mild criticisms of the Islamic world.

It seems this "Muslim lifestyle magazine" likes to dish it out but can't take it:

“We try to give a Muslim perspective,” says Mahmud al-Rashid, Joseph’s husband, who is a full-time trial lawyer as well as the magazine’s volunteer publisher and editor-in-chief.

“In everything Mahmud and I do, we try to eradicate the misconceptions that became increasingly prevalent after 9/11,” says Joseph, who in 1994 became the first female editor of Trends, a uk Muslim youth magazine, and who was also founding editor of The Common Good, a publication of the Muslim Council of Britain. Now 32, she is also a part-time doctoral student who lectures frequently and widely on interfaith issues, religious tolerance and women’s issues.

You have to make sure that people know about Islam and Muslims in a positive way. Muslim people do normal things, live normal lives. And the fact that we’ve got three children makes it paramount to make a better world for them. There is all this talk of clash of civilizations, but we’ve all got to coexist here!”

Al-Rashid explains that, in emel, “we wanted to produce something that we wanted to read ourselves—something with a Muslim perspective on life, looking through western Muslim eyes, something that could reveal the high culture of Islam, not the usual stereotypes.

emel's Hope

The magazine has no problem printing crap about the US and The West but sounds awfully sensitive when it comes to Muslims. This is exactly what is wrong with Muslims today, ducking the real issues that need to be squarely dealt with in regards to Islam and the modern world and what's wrong with Islam that has created all the problems.

45 posted on 11/25/2007 1:41:20 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper (ETERNAL SHAME on the Treasonous and Immoral Democrats!)
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To: Roberts

The nation of Islam is the most evil of Empires. It tolerates no competinng ideology. It preaches total supremacy in law and spirit. It knows no borders but all of the servents bow to the capital 5 times every day.

Non-muslims face a death sentence for daring to enter the capital.


46 posted on 11/25/2007 1:48:13 AM PST by weegee (End the Bush-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton-Clinton/Clinton-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton Oligarchy 1980-2012)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Stalinist socialists refused to condemn any of the horrific actions of “Uncle Joe”. This compelled George Orwell to rebuke socialism and write novels that exposed the hypocrisy.

May someone do this with the political ideology of Islam...


47 posted on 11/25/2007 1:52:39 AM PST by weegee (End the Bush-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton-Clinton/Clinton-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton Oligarchy 1980-2012)
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To: mkjessup

I was thinking the same thing...Another mouth piece for evil.


48 posted on 11/25/2007 1:55:07 AM PST by miliantnutcase
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To: Roberts
He said the Muslim world must acknowledge that its “political solutions were not the most impressive”."

Political?

49 posted on 11/25/2007 2:01:57 AM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: elhombrelibre

Christianity can be harmed by a crank?


50 posted on 11/25/2007 2:07:48 AM PST by Misterioso
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To: Roberts
The good Archbishop is a man supremely unqualified by virtue of his education, experience, profession, and personal history to opine about American foreign policy, especially American military policy. He is utterly unqualified to speak in every respect.

Yet speak out he does with sweeping, worldwide conclusions about what is wrong with America. Nor is he bashful about telling us his prescription about how America should heal itself and properly behave in world (He urged it to launch a “generous and intelligent programme of aid directed to the societies that have been ravaged; a check on the economic exploitation of defeated territories; a demilitarisation of their presence”.)

But it is his diagnosis of what's wrong with America thatreally demonstrates his unfitness to judge: [America's] attempt to intervene overseas by "“clearing the decks”" with a "“quick burst of violent action"”

Should military action be conducted incompletely with slow increments of ineffectual action? As a military theoretician he makes a good Archbishop. Unfortunately, as archbishop, he makes a lousy Archbishop.

He does however reach for an observation which his training and presumed piety would have hopefully equipped him:He poured scorn on the “chosen nation myth of America, meaning that what happens in America is very much at the heart of God’s purpose for humanity”.

Here is after all a man who should know what God's purpose for humanity is-that is after all his profession. He is the head of the established Church of England who has the very ear of his boss, the Queen. The ordained, living vicar of Christ in England! We all wait to hear what this man has to say. Here it is:

“Our modern western definition of humanity is clearly not working very well. There is something about western modernity which really does eat away at the soul.”

Yes, yes, but what do we do about it?

He commends the Muslim practice of praying five times a day, which he says allows the remembrance of God to be “built in deeply in their daily rhythm”.

He does not have a clue.

One might have thought that he would encourage us to flee to the cross, to return our Christian roots, to implore the intervention of our God through the mediation of our Christ. But no, his nostrums are all mechanical and suspiciously left wing and anti-American. Whatever they are, they are secular. Has he no answer for us as the vicar of Christ? Can he only pander to this Muslim audience? Has Christianity offered him nothing to tell them? Will he throw away his faith to gain acceptance with this crowd? Does he have any faith?

He is the head honcho on the operations level of the established Church of England. Who more than the Archbishop is more responsible for a society that is "not working very well. There is something about western modernity which really does eat away at the soul." Whose job is it to fix this if not his? But he can't fix it, he has no idea about how to fix it except to resort again to the insanity of more leftist programs piled on failed left failed leftist programs hoping against hope that this time the failed formula will work. He is not a man of God, he is a damn socialist in sheep's clothing. He is a liar and a hypocrite. Take off your vestments if you will lecture us; garbed as you are, with scepter in hand, you are nothing but a mountebank.

So the Archbishop has no answers in his own sphere for which he is presumably trained and experienced and in which he admits, "eats away at the soul." But in the sphere which he has no competence whatsoever he presumes to lecture the world's only superpower about how to exercise its responsibilities and indeed how to maintain its national security against terrorists who would cheerfully kill the Archbishop along with every American to impose their theocracy. Funny how the Islamicists don't have any problems figuring out God's will.

The Archbishop, as ridiculous as he is, is but a figure of the left. They do not know God's will, but they are quick to tell you what it is not. They are quick to accuse others falsely of claiming the mantle of God, but it is they who play God. Their arrogance can kill us.


51 posted on 11/25/2007 2:13:52 AM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: Republican Party Reptile

Imperialism: armed and unarmed conquest by a emperor for the sake of building an empire.

We are liberators, as in those that provide liberty to the oppressed peoples of the world.


52 posted on 11/25/2007 2:22:32 AM PST by usmcobra (I sing Karaoke the way it was meant to be sung, drunk, badly and in Japanese)
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To: Roberts

This is called the Stockholm Syndrome.
And it’s infected scores of those in official positions of authority in the UK.
The Archbishop of Canterbury , yet.
An iconic figure.
And in an interview with a “British Muslim Magazine”,
which is the FIRST thing that’s wrong with this.
Before you know it, the A of C will be given some official Islamic position, like overseeing New Mosque Construction.
This is all so PATHETICALLY SAD.


53 posted on 11/25/2007 2:23:25 AM PST by supremedoctrine ('Happiness makes up in height for what it lacks in length' --Robert Frost)
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To: Misterioso
Sure, if the crank is an Archbishop whose discredits himself as a leader of the Christian faith, he does harm to the religion. If the purpose of Christianity is to become as much like Christ as is humanly possible, then I think this Archbishop harms the faith.
54 posted on 11/25/2007 2:26:54 AM PST by elhombrelibre (It's not easy being a Run Paul defeatist on Iraq, but a few annoying freepers work at it.)
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To: elhombrelibre
Just what does “his Holiness” think the Muslims would do with him if they are allowed to take over the planet? Believe me, he’d be one of the first to go! Along with the proselytizing movie stars, rappers, and a lot of other “head in sand” deniers that inhabit our western culture. (Of course, some of them we would be better off without anyway.)
55 posted on 11/25/2007 2:39:31 AM PST by singfreedom ("Victory at all costs,.....for without victory there is no survival." Winston Churchill)
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To: Roberts

Does he hit his head on the floor five times a day ?


56 posted on 11/25/2007 2:42:18 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Go Hawks !)
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To: this_ol_patriot

Hopefully, the little one. We certainly don’t need him contributing to the gene pool!


57 posted on 11/25/2007 2:43:54 AM PST by singfreedom ("Victory at all costs,.....for without victory there is no survival." Winston Churchill)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
He may be assured that, if his precious muslims ever fulfill their imperial ambitions in England, his head will hit the floor with finality.

The possibility that they may kill you last does not make them your friends.

58 posted on 11/25/2007 2:55:58 AM PST by ExGeeEye (I've been waiting since 11/04/79 to do something about Iran.)
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To: Roberts

quote starts

“The popular idea in the West was that Islam attained its great success within and without Arabia by violent means. “While the state was exhausted by the Persian war,” writes Gibbon on the Roman Empire, “. . . Mohammed, with the sword in one hand and the Koran in the other, erected his throne on the ruins of Christianity and of Rome.” 1 Modern scholars only rarely commit themselves to such hasty and general verdicts. 2 There are, on the other hand, some moderm scholars who discount to a large extent the violent means and maintain that Islam was mainly spread by “preaching.” 3

quote ends

- THE LAW OF WAR AND PEACE IN ISLAM
By
MAJID KHADDURI, Ph.D.
LONDON
LUZAC & CO.
1941


59 posted on 11/25/2007 2:59:02 AM PST by Finnish lurker
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To: Finnish lurker
What purpose did the sword serve-—a bookmark?
60 posted on 11/25/2007 3:14:36 AM PST by singfreedom ("Victory at all costs,.....for without victory there is no survival." Winston Churchill)
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