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Republicans Report Much Better Mental Health Than Others
Gallup ^ | November 30, 2007 | Frank Newport

Posted on 11/30/2007 8:08:07 AM PST by West Coast Conservative

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To: Tijeras_Slim; oldglory; MinuteGal; sheikdetailfeather

“Sheesh, the DUmmies seem to revel in posting about thier mental problems and medications.” ~ Tijeras_Slim

This is why:

“...for example, how it is that the left can turn a quintessential patriot such as General Petraeus into a traitor, while transforming their own treasonous beliefs into patriotism.

This is nothing new. The left does the same thing with criminals. It makes no sense to a psychologically healthy person, but to an unhealthy person, liberal victimhood is psychologically empowering, because at least it allows the self-proclaimed victim to externalize their subjugation while secretly being responsible for it.

A leftist can be a typical loser whose failure is entirely self-generated. But proclaiming yourself victim means never having to recognize that painful truth. Perfect! You oppress yourself all the way to secular godhood, for the victim is the sacred liberal you & I-con. In the liberal world, you are not innocent until proven guilty, you are guilty unless granted victim status. [...]

“...many people are drawn to social work (and the helping professions in general) because of an unconscious sense of victimization that they try to spuriously heal by projecting into others. This is why these fields (including my own) are so overrun by leftist do-gooders with rescue fantasies. The leftist feels victimized by anyone or anything that arouses their tendency to feel victimized. Now the persecutor becomes a sort of rescuer who rescues the social worker from her feelings of victimization, allowing a temporary discharge of victim feelings. [...]

Complete psychological diagnosis here (Don’t miss the “postscript” at the end):
http://onecosmos.blogspot.com/2007/09/marriage-counseling-between-islamists.html


21 posted on 11/30/2007 8:45:00 AM PST by Matchett-PI (Algore - there's not a more priggish, sanctimonious moral scold of a church lady anywhere.)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Liberalism IS a mental illness after all.


22 posted on 11/30/2007 8:48:59 AM PST by jmaroneps37 (Conservatives live in the truth. Liberals live in lies.)
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To: West Coast Conservative
Republicans have better mental health, because we don't care about anyone but me, me, me... we don't burden ourselves with the world's problems, and we step on everyone else to do what we want to do, without regard to what repercussions it has on anyone else!!

Just ask any DUmbacrat... They'll tell you!

23 posted on 11/30/2007 8:57:45 AM PST by RogerWilko
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To: jmaroneps37

Does anyone have a doubt that this would be repeated all over CNN and MSNBC if it was the other way around?


24 posted on 11/30/2007 9:01:49 AM PST by icwhatudo (The rino borg...is resistance futile?)
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To: West Coast Conservative

25 posted on 11/30/2007 9:07:59 AM PST by vietvet67
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To: West Coast Conservative

In other news, dog bites man.


26 posted on 11/30/2007 9:08:12 AM PST by Antoninus (Republicans who support Rudy owe Bill Clinton an apology.)
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To: West Coast Conservative

You don’t have to be crazy to vote Democratic, but it helps if you think you are.


27 posted on 11/30/2007 9:09:29 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (NYT Headline: Protocols of the Learned Elders of CBS: Fake but Accurate, Experts Say)
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To: VirginiaConstitutionalist
If you go to DU, they actually have an entire "Mental Health Support Group" forum dedicted to mental illnesses among their members. It's one of their bigger forums.

Not surprising. When your entire reality is based on a tissue of lies, you need to be mentally deranged to continue buying into it. For many, it's completely self-inflicted because they will never admit that the other side might actually be right after all.
28 posted on 11/30/2007 9:10:55 AM PST by Antoninus (Republicans who support Rudy owe Bill Clinton an apology.)
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To: Matchett-PI
But proclaiming yourself victim means never having to recognize that painful truth.

Because nobody answers the obvious followup question: "Since you are a jerk only because you were 'victimized' by another jerk, what must we conclude about that other jerk? Wasn't he a 'victim' too? So why blame him??"

The reason this question is never brought up is because they really believe that other jerk is morally culpable, no victim at all. The "victim" schtick is merely a deflector shield, meant to pre-empt discussion of the culpability of present company.

29 posted on 11/30/2007 9:12:58 AM PST by thulldud
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To: West Coast Conservative

The other thing to note, which is even more dramatic, is the number of people who report poor or only fair mental health:

Republicans: 8%, Dems 17%, Independents: 15%.

In other words, twice as many Dems and Inds report poor mental health, than Republicans.


30 posted on 11/30/2007 9:23:04 AM PST by FocusNexus
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To: West Coast Conservative
Democrats are into Magical Thiking. Republicans reality.

Magical thinking

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While having no universally accepted definition, magical thinking is described in anthropology, psychology and cognitive science as causal reasoning that often includes such ideas as the law of contagion, correlation equalling causation, the power of symbols and the ability of the mind to affect the physical world.

James George Frazer and Bronislaw K. Malinowski said that magic is more like science than religion, and that societies with magical beliefs often had separate religious beliefs and practices.[citation needed]

Like science, magic is concerned with causal relations, but unlike science, it does not distinguish correlation from causation. For example, a man who has won a bowling competition in a given shirt may then believe this shirt is lucky. He will continue to wear the shirt to bowling competitions, and though he continues to win some and lose some, he will chalk up every win to his lucky shirt.

Magical thinking can occur when one simply does not understand possible causes, as illustrated by Sir Arthur C. Clarke's suggestion that "any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" (see Clarke's three laws), but can also occur in response to situations that are largely random or chaotic, such as a coin toss, as well as in situations that one has little or no control over, especially those one is emotionally invested in. (Indeed, this can be seen as a special case of failure to understand possible causes: specifically, a failure to understand the laws of probability that guarantee the occurrence of coincidences and seeming patterns.) See below for more specific examples.

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[edit] Overview

According to Frazer,[1] magical thinking depends on two laws: the law of similarity (an effect resembles its cause), and the law of contagion (things which were once in physical contact maintain a connection even after physical contact has been broken). These two laws govern the operation of what Frazer called "sympathetic magic", the idea that the manipulation of effigies or similar symbols or tokens can cause changes to occur in the thing the symbol represented. Typical examples of sympathetic magic include the use of voodoo dolls, and the fetishization of cargo cults. Others have described these two laws as examples of "analogical reasoning" (rather than logical reasoning).

Typically, people use magic to attempt to explain things that science has not acceptably explained, or to attempt to control things that science cannot. The classic example is of the collapsing roof, described in E. E. Evans-Pritchard's Witchcraft, Magic, and Oracles Among the Azande, in which the Azande claimed that a roof fell on a particular person because of a magical spell cast (unwittingly) by another person. The Azande knew perfectly well a scientific explanation for the collapsing room (that termites had eaten through the supporting posts), but pointed out that this scientific explanation could not explain why the roof happened to collapse at precisely the same moment that the particular man was resting beneath it. The magic explains why two independent chains of causation intersect. Thus, from the point of view of the practitioners, magic explains what scientists would call "coincidences" or "contingency". From the point of view of outside observers, magic is a way of making coincidences meaningful in social terms. Carl Jung coined the word synchronicity for experiences of this type.

Adherents of magical belief systems often do not see their beliefs as being magical. In Asia, many coincidences and contingencies are explained in terms of karma in which a person's actions in a past life affects current events. Likewise in the west, ideas of "motivation" and "positive thinking" in themselves achieving outcomes are not seen as magical by those who tout their benefits.

A common form of magical thinking is that one's own thoughts can influence events, either beneficially, by creating good luck, or for the worse, as in divine punishment for "bad thoughts". Freud reflected on these phenomena in his essay, "The Uncanny". These beliefs reflect an incorrect understanding of the boundaries of self; one can indeed will to move one's own arm, but not the ashtray on the table,[citation needed] at least not by any direct means (e.g. we can will our arm to move the ashtray, or there may be even less direct routes of influence). We can also make the opposite error: thinking that outside agencies can see into or influence our thoughts (paranoia).

Another form of magical thinking occurs when people believe that words can directly affect the world. This can mean avoiding talking about certain subjects ("speak of the devil and he'll appear"), using euphemisms instead of certain words, or believing that to know the "true name" of something gives one power over it, or that certain chants, prayers or mystical phrases will change things. More generally, it is magical thinking to take a symbol to be its referent.


[edit] Child development

Magical thinking is a common phase in child development. From the age of a toddler to early school age children will often link the outside world with their internal consciousness, e.g. "It is raining because I am sad".

Another manifestation is the use of teddy bears to relieve separation anxiety, and the presence of imaginary friends.

[edit] Mental illness

Magical thinking is often intensified in mental illnesses such as obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD), clinical depression or schizotypal personality disorder.[citation needed] In each it can take a different form peculiar to the particular illness. In OCD, it is often used in ritual fashion to ameliorate the dread and risk of various dangerous possibilities, regardless of whether it has real effects on the object of fear. It contributes more to peace of mind, in that the person now feels they can engage in a risky activity more safely. This is not unlike magical thinking in non-afflicted individuals; lucky garments and activities are common in the sports world. It begins to interfere with life when those activities deemed risky are routine and everyday, such as meeting others, using a public toilet, crossing a busy intersection, or eating. It is important to note, however, that not all people with OCD engage in a strict form of magical thinking, as many are fully conscious that the rationalizations with which they justify their obsessions or compulsions to themselves and others are not 'reasonable' in an ordinary sense of that word.

Psychometric evidence has been obtained showing a correlation between psychosis and magical thinking. It has been found that those who scored highest on magical thinking showed a predisposition to psychosis (Eckblad & Chapman, 1983). Schizophrenic patients scored higher on a magical thinking scale than non-schizophrenic psychiatric patients or normal subjects (George & Neufeld, 1987). Subjects believing in extraordinary phenomena scored higher on the Schizophrenia subscale of the MMPI than non-believers (Windholz & Diamant, 1974). Research has also shown that paranormal beliefs, including magical thinking, are significantly and positively correlated with people experiencing psychosis from schizophrenia and bipolar disorder (e.g., Thalbourne and French, 1995).

[edit] Alternative medicine

Phillips Stevens writes "Many of today's complementary or alternative systems of healing involve magical beliefs, manifesting ways of thinking based in principles of cosmology and causality that are timeless and absolutely universal. So similar are some of these principles among all human populations that some cognitive scientists have suggested that they are innate to the human species, and this suggestion is being strengthened by current scientific research..." Some of the principles of magical beliefs described above are evident in currently popular belief systems. A common example is homeopathy; the fundamental principle of its founder, Samuel Hahnemann (1755-1843), similia similibus curentur ("let likes cure likes"), in which it is supposed as an explicit expression of a magical principle, of the sort called sympathetic magic by Sir James Frazer's The Golden Bough.[1]

[edit] Science

Richard Feynman suggested, in his "Cargo Cult Science" speech, that scientists may fall prey to a form of magical thinking as well as laypeople. When experiments are poorly controlled and not repeated, or reporting bias dominates, scientists may "fool themselves" into believing insignificant results significant. If enough flawed work is done in a field — Feynman singles out sloppy psychology — then further experiments may devolve into a set of unfounded rituals.[2] In short, methods that seem scientific may be used to generate results that merely seem scientific.

[edit] References

  1. ^ a b Frazer, James George (2000). The Golden Bough: a study in magic and religion (Abridged ed.). New York: Bartleby.com. 
  2. ^ Feynman, Richard (1974). "Cargo Cult Science". Engineering and Science 37:7. 
  • Barrett, Stephen. 1987 "Homeopathy: Is it medicine?" Skeptical Inquirer (12)1, Fall: 56-62.
  • Bonser, Wilfrid. 1963 The Medical Background of Anglo-Saxon England: A Study in History, Psychology, and Folklore London: Oxford University Press.
  • Beyerstein, Barry L. 1997 "Why bogus therapies seem to work" Skeptical Inquirer (21)5, September/October: 29-34.
  • Diaconis, P (1985) "Theories of data analysis: from magical thinking through classical statistics", in Hoaglin et al., (eds) Exploring Data Tables Trends and Shapes, Wiley
  • Dubisch, Jill. 1981. "You are what you eat: Religious aspects of the health food movement" in The American Dimension: Culture Myths and Social Realities, edited by Susan P. Montague and W. Arens. Second edition. Palo Alto, California: Mayfield. ISBN 0-88284-030-4
  • Eckblad, M. & Chapman, L. J. (1983). Magical ideation as an indicator of schizotypy. Journal of Counselling and Clinical Psychology, 51, 215-225.
  • Feynman, R. P. and Leighton, R. (1985) Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman! Norton paperback ed. New York: W. M. Norton and Co. ISBN 0-393-31604-1
  • Frazer, James George. 1911-1915 The Golden Bough: A Study in Magic and Religion Third edition. London: Macmillan. ISBN 0-684-82630-5
  • Gardner, Martin. 1989 "Water with memory? The dilution affair" Skeptical Inquirer 12(2):132-141.
  • George, L., & Neufeld, R. W. J. (1987). Magical ideation and schizophrenia. Journal of Consulting and Clinical Psychology, 55, 778-779.
  • Hand, Wayland D. 1980. "Folk Magical Medicine and Symbolism in the West." In Magical Medicine Berkeley: University of California Press, pp. 305-319.
  • Krippner, Stanley, and Michael Winkler. 1996. The "Need to Believe." In Encyclopedia of the Paranormal Gordon Stein, ed. Amherst, New York: Prometheus Books, pp. 441-454. ISBN 1-57392-021-5
  • Linde, Klaus, Nicola Clausius, Gilbert Ramirez, Dieter Meichart, Florian Eitel, Larry V. Hedges, and Wayne B. Jonas. 1997. "Are the clinical effects of homeopathy placebo effects?" The Lancet 350:834-843; erratum 351, Jan. 17, 1998, p. 220.
  • McTaggart, Lynne, "The Field" Harper Paperbacks; Reprint edition (August 1, 2003)
  • Shermer, Michael. 1997. Why People Believe Weird Things New York: W.H. Freeman. ISBN 0-8050-7089-3
  • Stevens, Phillip, Jr. "Magical Thinking in Complementary and Alternative Medicine". Skeptical Inquirer. Nov/Dec 2001.
  • Thalbourne, M. A. & French, C. C. (1995). Paranormal belief, manic-depressiveness, and magical ideation: a replication. Personality and Individual Differences, 18, 291-292.
  • Thomas, Sherilyn Nicole. 1999. Magical Ideation in Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder Ph.D. dissertation, Dept. of Psychology, SUNY at Buffalo.
  • Windholz, G. & Diamant, L. (1974). Some personality traits of believers in extraordinary phenomena. Bulletin of the Psychonomic Society, 3, 125-126.
  • Zusne, L., and W.H. Jones, editors, Anomalistic Psychology: A Study of Magical Thinking, Second edition, Erlbaum, Lawrence Associates, Incorporated, 1989, Hillsdale, New Jersey, trade paperback 328 pages, Anomalistic Psychology: A Study of Magical Thinking, ISBN 0-8058-0508-7

[edit] Further reading

  • Serban, George. The Tyranny of Magical Thinking. E. P. Dutton Inc., New York 1982. ISBN 0-525-24140-X This work discusses how and why the magical thinking of childhood can carry into adulthood, causing various maladaptions and psychopathologies.
  • Dukes, Ramsey. "SSOTBME revised, an essay on magic". TMTS, London 2002. ISBN 978-0904311082. Argues for the survival and psychological benefits of magical thinking, and that it is often better seen as post-scientific rather than pre-scientific – as in complex software where bugs are increasingly addressed via work-arounds rather than analysis.

31 posted on 11/30/2007 9:23:20 AM PST by Leisler (RNC, RINO National Committee. Always was, always will be.)
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To: West Coast Conservative
Look at the way they put it: "Republicans report much better mental health." If the result was the other way around, it would have said, "Democrats have better mental health than Republicans"
32 posted on 11/30/2007 9:25:39 AM PST by paudio
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To: West Coast Conservative
"Correlation is no proof of causation, of course. The reason the relationship exists between being a Republican and more positive mental health is unknown, and one cannot say whether something about being a Republican causes a person to be more mentally healthy, or whether something about being mentally healthy causes a person to choose to become a Republican (or whether some third variable is responsible for causing both to be parallel)."

They went through several of the other variables, including income, age, gender, and it still held true that more Republicans report better mental health.

Maybe Independents and Dems should switch over and become Republicans:

"Be a happier person, register and vote Republican"

33 posted on 11/30/2007 9:28:31 AM PST by FocusNexus
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To: West Coast Conservative
Republicans are significantly more likely than Democrats or independents to rate their mental health as excellent


Sheesh, all one has to do is go to DUmmieland, HuffyPost or KOZ. They ain't called Moonbats for kicks, they're all psychotics.

34 posted on 11/30/2007 9:29:09 AM PST by Condor51 (Rudy has more baggage than Samsonite)
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To: VirginiaConstitutionalist
"If you go to DU, they actually have an entire "Mental Health Support Group" forum dedicted to mental illnesses among their members. It's one of their bigger forums."

I used to click into that forum for laughs. They are a sorry bunch, them DUmmies.

35 posted on 11/30/2007 10:19:15 AM PST by libs_kma (www.imwithfred.com)
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To: Tijeras_Slim; weegee; JamesP81; rightwingintelligentsia

Bwahahahaha! BDS finds its place into the DSM psychiatric codes for mental conditions...a historic [histrionic?] day...


36 posted on 11/30/2007 11:19:07 AM PST by Froufrou
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To: West Coast Conservative

Republicans tend to be conservatives, conservatives tend to be Christians.

Democrats tend to be liberals, liberals tend to be agnostic or atheists.


37 posted on 11/30/2007 12:11:06 PM PST by ryan71
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To: West Coast Conservative
Republicans are much more apt to believe in God (the real one) than Democrats. I am not talking about "spirituality" or any other fuzzy, quasi reference to belief. I am referring to belief in the God of Abraham.

God tells us He brings us peace, and He also says this:

" 'There is no peace for the wicked,' says the Lord."

Isaiah 48:22


38 posted on 12/01/2007 2:33:39 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: West Coast Conservative

BTTT...


39 posted on 12/01/2007 2:50:51 AM PST by LowOiL (Duncan Hunter .. accept no conservative substitute... it causes cancer of the heart)
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40 posted on 12/01/2007 1:33:07 PM PST by G8 Diplomat (Creatures are divided into 6 kingdoms: Animalia, Plantae, Fungi, Monera, Protista, & Saudi Arabia)
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