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Colorado hero shows gun law must change
The Daily Telegram DAILY (MI) ^ | December 12, 2007 | MASTHEAD EDITORIAL

Posted on 12/13/2007 6:45:42 PM PST by neverdem

At issue: A woman using a handgun to stop a killer in a “soft target,” a church.

Our view: The case shows why Michigan school staff need an option for training and concealed carry, not “gun-free zones.”

Another month has brought more shooting sprees in what commonly are “gun-free zones.” Four died in two separate shootings Sunday in Colorado. Eight were murdered last Wednesday in an Omaha, Neb., shopping mall. Seven students were slain recently in Finland. That followed a Cleveland school shooting in October.

Only in the latest attack did an adult have a right to a gun to defend herself and others. And that attack Sunday at a crowded Colorado church ended abruptly when citizen volunteer Jeanne Assam used her handgun to stop the killer before he could murder dozens of other innocent people.

“When the shots were fired, she rushed toward the scene and encountered the attacker there in a hallway. He never got more than 50 feet inside our building,” senior pastor Brady Boyd told reporters. “There could have been a great loss of life yesterday, and she probably saved over 100 lives.”

But if a similar killer entered a Michigan school, even a former police officer such as Assam could not legally protect students with her firearm. That’s because Michigan unwisely made schools gun-free zones except for active-duty law enforcement, which basically means that mass murderers can rest assured law-abiding staff are unarmed. Time and again we see how intermediate steps such as counseling or unarmed guards fail to stop killers such as Cho Seung-hui (Virginia Tech), Jeff Weise (Red Lake, Minn.) or others. Rather than discourage psychopaths, gun-free zones assist their quests for high body counts and ill-deserved fame.

Michigan House Bill 5162 would give law-abiding adults who pass background checks and concealed weapons training a choice to protect their students, if their district approves. Private citizens saving lives by using firearms to stop killers have been documented in case after case — a high school in Pearl, Miss., a college at Appalachian School of Law and now a church in Colorado. In each case, the arguments raised by opponents against concealed carry laws were shown to be hollow. The citizen’s firearm was not taken away by an attacker, the scene did not become a free-fire zone and the citizen did not accidentally hit innocent bystanders.

Survivors are asking how many victims might have been saved if the Omaha shopping mall had not banned firearms, which are legal elsewhere in Nebraska. If officials cannot keep victims safe — and will not allow them to protect themselves — then some believe those officials ought to be held liable in lawsuits for violating the victims’ true “equal protection” rights. Gun-free zone liability acts have been introduced in Georgia and Arizona, and are being considered in other states.

Must a score of Michigan school children end up victims before House Bill 5162 receives a House Judiciary Committee hearing? We would much prefer to see the headline “Hero saves 100,” than “Lawmaker: ‘I never thought it could happen here.’ ”


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona; US: Colorado; US: Georgia; US: Michigan; US: Nebraska; US: Ohio; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: assam; banglist; cleveland; mall; newlifechurch; omaha; schoolshooting; selfdefense; vatech; virginiatech
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To: neverdem
The GOP ought to jump on that idea in every state, shall issue in the states not yet shall issue and allowing teachers concealed carry.

I hate to say this, but in the overwhelming majority of cases arming teachers is a bad idea. I wouldn't carry. At least not on my person. I work at one of the most violent inner city schools in the area. We've got MS13 operating within blocks of the school. I wouldn't mind having a secure arms room in my vicinity and let me have access, but truly it would negate the teaching value to be armed at all times. I say this with 18 years on the job. However, it is very handy to have teachers fresh from the military, with combat experience.

In all my years as a high school teacher, I've never once felt threatened by one of my students. I've been "tried" by other students but that was only a test of mettle and not an actual "force on force" situation. They wanted to see if I was willing to go toe to toe and not back off. If my body was capable of cashing any checks written by my mouth. Once I showed a willingness to step up, they always backed off. ALWAYS. I attribute this to a matter of "bearing." The military folks here know what I mean. My body language, demeanor and posture simply assert without speaking that not only can I take care of any situation that presents itself, I will do so. I can't think of a single situation that would have been improved by the presence of an armed teacher. Situations like an active shooter (aka Colombine) notwithstanding. For situations like that I'd recommend access to an arms room.

41 posted on 12/15/2007 1:12:28 PM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: ExSoldier
Situations like an active shooter (aka Colombine) notwithstanding.

That's just what I'm talking about. If a teacher wants to carry concealed, it would be a voluntary arrangement. But gun-free zones are just stupid in that they are ignored by crazies and criminals. An arms room would just be a target, IMHO.

42 posted on 12/15/2007 2:20:02 PM PST by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: neverdem
An arms room would just be a target, IMHO.

Well, I wouldn't advertise it's existence. In fact I could see several secret arms lockers scattered around the building. Secret (as in hidden and secure), small enough for a couple of carbines including optics and a couple of handguns with spare mags.

43 posted on 12/15/2007 2:28:17 PM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: neverdem
We see the sign, "Gun-Free Zone."

A killer sees, "Shoot-Free Zone."

44 posted on 12/16/2007 7:51:18 PM PST by pray4liberty (The Truth sinks people whose only recourse is lies.)
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To: DaveyB
If he had decided to shoot us there would have been no one legally allowed to shoot back.

In that case, maybe it's better to be judged by 12 than carried by six.

45 posted on 12/16/2007 7:52:50 PM PST by pray4liberty (The Truth sinks people whose only recourse is lies.)
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To: matthew fuller
Might have better luck with civil lawsuits--failure to provide adequate security.

I like your solution. High time we woke up to it.

46 posted on 12/16/2007 7:54:45 PM PST by pray4liberty (The Truth sinks people whose only recourse is lies.)
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