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Mom threatened with jail for teaching kids at home
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | December 16, 2007 | Bob Unruh

Posted on 12/16/2007 5:12:57 AM PST by Man50D

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To: RKBA Democrat

I’ve looked into different virtual learning schools and correspondence programs over the years. I can’t remember the names of all of them. But I remember several of them costing between $3,000 - $7,000 per year per student. :-0

For example, here are the fees for the virtual online Christa McAuliffe Academy:
http://www.cmacademy.org/admissions/TuitionAndFees/

Another example - Keystone National High School:
http://www.keystonehighschool.com/tuition/full-time.php

One of the more reasonably priced programs is Seton, a Catholic homeschool program that offers high school diplomas. Here are its fees:
http://www.setonhome.org/admissions/enroll1.php#fees

Still steep, imho. And, remember, the fees only include books and/or computer CDs. Then we’re stuck with the books in the package. Parents I know who’ve used full package programs end up buying books elsewhere, anyway, because not every book in the package meets their children’s needs.

Another disadvantage is that you’re held back if you can move at a quicker pace in certain subjects. Yes, we’d prefer our children had their diplomas so they could avoid having to do extra explaining at college and job interviews. But, we’ll opt for the extra explaining if receiving a diploma means our children’s college education will be delayed.

For example, our eldest at age 12 is capable of doing college level math. I’d rather enroll him into a college’s cyber-courses for him to earn dual credit (toward both college and high school) than put him through a distance learning high school program that would delay his college education. See my post #93 - I recently read that our state will offer an official diploma to people who meet certain requirements such as a minimum number of college credits. We might try that route...


101 posted on 12/21/2007 9:57:57 AM PST by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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To: maine-iac7
and of course we know everything would be solved by forcing the kids into public school where NO child EVER gets in trouble - shot, maybe, but never in trouble. BTW, I didn't see any mention of police

As I stated before, the article is very poorly written, but the line about "when she went to court with her juvenile son to have the charges dismissed (under a case held in abeyance procedure) stemming from a clash among children" suggested to me that the juvenile son had been charged with something, and that was why she was in court to begin with.

I can't find anything about this except for World Net Daily and Life Site News (which has reprinted WND's story basically), so I don't know anymore than anyone else does, but it appeared to me that it could be possible that this single mother has to go to work during the day, and perhaps the children are being left without adult supervision but supposed to be doing their lessons -- perhaps it was during this time that the son got in trouble, and the judge felt the children would be better off where they could be supervised while the mom was at work.

NOTE THAT I'M SPECULATING, BASED ON WHAT I INFERRED FROM THE ARTICLE, BUT THERE'S NOT ENOUGH INFORMATION GIVEN TO TELL WHAT THE WHOLE STORY IS.

I did read that the judge is biased per: "Johansen told her homeschooling fails 100 percent of the time and he would not allow it.

Did she say the judge said that, or do you have that from another credible source?

It just doesn't make sense to me that the school would approve homeschooling for this year and bring charges about missing paperwork from last year. If they didn't think she was following or would follow the rules, why would they approve this year?

102 posted on 12/21/2007 3:39:12 PM PST by Amelia
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To: wintertime
Since kids in the government indoctrination camps get in trouble should judges FORCE these kids to homeschool? Should judges put these parents in prison if they refuse to homeschool, or take their kids away?

Depends on the state, but in my state, if a child gets expelled from public school for behavior issues, the parents must either homeschool or find a private school that will accept that child. I understand that in some states, the state must provide a home tutor.

I have had students who were given the choice of attending school or going to jail for whatever their crimes were (because of confidentiality, we weren't told)...on the whole most were disruptive and didn't do their work. One of those in my class ended the year with a 4 (yes, one digit) average...I always thought the judge should require them to go to school and pass, or else teach that class himself.

103 posted on 12/21/2007 4:12:47 PM PST by Amelia
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To: Amelia
if a child gets expelled from public school for behavior issues, the parents must either homeschool

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And,,,,when these “push-outs” do horrible that conveniently gives true homeschoolers a black eye. I bet the bean counters count the achievement of the “push-outs” in with the true homeschoolers.

I have personally known a few “push outs”. Their parents attended our church. ( Their big hairy kids didn’t of course.)

104 posted on 12/21/2007 4:30:30 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: Amelia
I have had students who were given the choice of attending school or going to jail for whatever their crimes were (because of confidentiality, we weren’t told)...on the whole most were disruptive and didn’t do their work. One of those in my class ended the year with a 4 (yes, one digit) average...

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And?.....What about the First Amendment HUMAN Right for others not to be forced to associate with these court ordered government school criminals?

Oh yeah! I forgot! ( silly me!) Some parents can afford to **ransom** their kids from having to associate with school criminals. They can pay extra for private and home schooling!

105 posted on 12/21/2007 4:34:02 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: Amelia
As I stated before, the article is very poorly written, but the line about "when she went to court with her juvenile son to have the charges dismissed (under a case held in abeyance procedure) stemming from a clash among children" suggested to me that the juvenile son had been charged with something, and that was why she was in court to begin with.

statement by mother on other link along with other details:

"Some people wonder if there is more to this case than I have posted. There really isn’t except what got us originally in court was my then 9yos hit a girl in the neighborhood and was charged with assault. My son has Aspergers’ Syndrome. This was the 1st and only time any of my children had been charged with a crime. He was give a plea in abeyance with the following stipulations-40 hours of community service, complete anger management, to do okay in school, and not to get in any more trouble for one year. He completed everything and the charges were dismissed. They took exception with the school part because I homeschool and the school district says it never received my affadavit last year."

Hardly a criminal, or the result of mother's neglect or poor parenting - what I find bizarre is this day and age, a child hits another and is charged as a criminal.

Children do hit other children, and they should be punished and made to understand it is not accepted behavior. That's how they learn, part of the growing up process. They don't slide into this world with full-blown adult knowledge.

In addition, not only was this child only 9 years old, he has Aspergers’ Syndrome, which makes it difficult for the person to empathize with others...

Seems like it's the adults today that need some growing up!

link:

http://conservativebelle.blogspot.com/2007/12/judge-scott-johansen-judicial-chump.html

106 posted on 12/21/2007 4:55:28 PM PST by maine-iac7 (",,,but you can't fool all of the people all the time" LINCOLN)
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To: maine-iac7

Thanks so much for the information.


107 posted on 12/21/2007 4:57:48 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: Amelia
"Johansen told her homeschooling fails 100 percent of the time and he would not allow it.

It's pretty obvious that the judge's comment, if true, was taken out of context. The child in question has Asperger's Syndrome and probably requires special ed. The mother herself suffers from MS. She is clearly overwhelmed with three other kids, low income, lack of transportation and no spouse or involved father of the children. The judge was referring to her ability to address the needs of this child, given the circumstances.

WND would like us all to believe that the statement was a broad reaching condemnation of homeschooling as a whole. Just to get the knee jerkers jerking, it worked.

108 posted on 12/21/2007 5:53:52 PM PST by RGSpincich
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To: maine-iac7
what I find bizarre is this day and age, a child hits another and is charged as a criminal.

Yes, it is rather bizarre. Makes you wonder if perhaps he hit the other child with something besides his hand, doesn't it?

Again, you're going on what the mother said on some website with no independent confirmation.

109 posted on 12/22/2007 6:41:20 AM PST by Amelia
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To: RGSpincich
It's pretty obvious that the judge's comment, if true, was taken out of context. The child in question has Asperger's Syndrome and probably requires special ed. The mother herself suffers from MS. She is clearly overwhelmed with three other kids, low income, lack of transportation and no spouse or involved father of the children. The judge was referring to her ability to address the needs of this child, given the circumstances.

Stop making sense! :-)

WND would like us all to believe that the statement was a broad reaching condemnation of homeschooling as a whole. Just to get the knee jerkers jerking, it worked.

Didn't you like the subtlety of the comparisons to Nazi Germany in the article? ;-)

110 posted on 12/22/2007 6:43:09 AM PST by Amelia
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