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Mom threatened with jail for teaching kids at home
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | December 16, 2007 | Bob Unruh

Posted on 12/16/2007 5:12:57 AM PST by Man50D

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To: wintertime

“In this state, she is not permitted to take the GED exam if she were to leave school. That means NO access to government scholarships at their state universities. They would have to pay for these courses on their own, and the usual path to state and federal scholarships and loans is blocked.”

Perhaps you can help me with this one. I simply don’t understand why home educators don’t enroll their kids in a private HS (via a correspondence study program) to get the HS Diploma. Why not spend maybe $1,000 over 3-4 years, get the HS Diploma, and render the issue moot?


61 posted on 12/17/2007 6:30:36 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: RGSpincich
By "out of her way" I take it you mean she should, also, find a job that she can perform to pay her own bills. Wouldn't want the state burdening her with that SSI check every month.

No. She has a job, just doesn't have a partner to work with. Her job is to be a suitable helpmate for the children's father. If one doesn't exist, then get one by remarriage. If one does, then by reconciliation. He will charged with the command to provide, instruct, and disciple in the admonition of the Lord.

That said, until those details are worked out, the Body of Christ, the Church, should step in to provide for her and the children's needs, beyond anything her own extended family can't supply, not the Government with the people's money.

See? No need for the Government to support financially. No need for the Government to play "husband and father". No need for the Government to play "God".

62 posted on 12/17/2007 8:28:33 PM PST by uptoolate (Two words: Duncan Hunter.)
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To: PeteB570

That is exactly what I would have done. Your wife’s a smart lady.

Regards,


63 posted on 12/17/2007 8:34:09 PM PST by VermiciousKnid
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To: Man50D

Yep, Land of the Free.


64 posted on 12/17/2007 8:59:39 PM PST by free_life
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To: Man50D

What would happen if she and her children crossed the state line into a free state? Are there any free states left?


65 posted on 12/17/2007 9:02:13 PM PST by free_life
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To: Amelia
I have to wonder if perhaps the woman is a single mother who is working during the day, and if the children are out on the streets getting into trouble when they should be doing their lessons.

I always wonder why the authorities aren't as concerned about public school parents whose children are out on the streets unsupervised and making trouble after school hours. I called children's services on one family whose kids were terrorizing my folks and their neighbors late into the night, but they refused to take action. I was informed they would only take action if the kids weren't going to school and were making trouble around the neighborhood during school hours. The double standard just boggles my mind.

66 posted on 12/17/2007 11:22:18 PM PST by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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To: RKBA Democrat
I simply don’t understand why home educators don’t enroll their kids in a private HS (via a correspondence study program) to get the HS Diploma. Why not spend maybe $1,000 over 3-4 years, get the HS Diploma, and render the issue moot?

Many do. Everything depends on homeschooling law, which varies from state to state. I live in a state with no homeschool regulations. Here, some parents use cyberschools or correspondence programs. Others put their kids into college courses early to earn dual credit. Still others just make up a high school transcript on their own based on their child's work, and it is accepted by colleges.

I'm glad I don't live in Utah.

67 posted on 12/17/2007 11:29:45 PM PST by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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To: Tired of Taxes
I called children's services on one family whose kids were terrorizing my folks and their neighbors late into the night, but they refused to take action. I was informed they would only take action if the kids weren't going to school and were making trouble around the neighborhood during school hours.

You are correct that unsupervised children are unsupervised children. Perhaps you should have called the police instead of children's services?

I know things differ from locality to locality but around here there is a curfew for school-aged children, plus the police will enforce trespassing, disturbing the peace, etc. I don't think children's services would do much if called for that, although they might eventually investigate neglect.

68 posted on 12/18/2007 3:10:43 AM PST by Amelia
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To: Amelia

We did call the police over and over again. Without evidence, all claims including harassment, vandalism, and drug-dealing are hearsay. My folks set up a security camera but were never able to catch much evidence on tape.

I also contacted the housing authority because the family was living in a home subsidized by the government under a home ownership program instituted by President Bush. I was told that once a family “buys” a home in the program, it is theirs. It cannot be taken away. Complaints made by neighbors are meaningless.

Then I called Child Protective Services. They only will investigate for claims of neglect, physical abuse, or truancy. Neglect is defined as extreme uncleanliness or not feeding the children. We couldn’t make those claims. They will not investigate for curfew. In fact, they said that, legally, curfew laws can’t even be enforced. Curfew laws are pretty much symbolic only. The courts have found them unconstitutional. The only hours that count are school hours. CPS only will investigate if the children are around the neighborhood during school time. But if they’re typically out at 1:00 in the morning? CPS would not investigate.

CPS also will not investigate a family over claims of drug dealing in the house. One of the kids was only 12 at the time, and he was drug dealing already. That is considered a police matter. Claims that the father is doing drugs don’t matter, either. Even though some of the older siblings had done prison time for drugs, CPS wouldn’t even consider looking into the family. The kids are still allowed to remain there. In fact, since our complaints, yet another child was placed in the home.

I don’t know the details on this particular homeschool story on this thread. But the double standards applied by the law and authority to homeschool vs. public school families never cease to amaze me.


69 posted on 12/18/2007 8:48:18 AM PST by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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To: Man50D

Needs a bump


70 posted on 12/18/2007 8:48:49 AM PST by free_life
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To: metmom

In California, we don’t have to submit ANYTHING to our public school district. But of course, I keep a copy of the affidavit just in case there’s a question. I don’t know that we should assume she doesn’t belong to HSLDA, just because it doesn’t mention them in the article. HOpefully they are helping her through this.

Every homeschool family should belong to HSLDA.


71 posted on 12/18/2007 9:00:23 AM PST by adopt4Christ (The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing.)
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To: Tired of Taxes
Sounds like a horrible situation for your folks.

I can't imagine the law enforcement in my area taking such a lackidaisical attitude, but perhaps they would as well.

72 posted on 12/18/2007 5:12:14 PM PST by Amelia
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To: Man50D

This is a glimpse of things to come, except there won’t be paperwork snafus.

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According to Intrade, the winner of the December 12th GOP debate was... Duncan Hunter.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1938773/posts


73 posted on 12/19/2007 3:48:55 PM PST by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: Amelia

She says the school lost the paperwork, but she’s apparently not able to show that she actually turned it in either.
***The burden of proof is on the guvmint, not her. I’ve been in her kind of position and lost a lot of time & resources due to guvmint largesse like this over a different issue. These guvmint types love to think of themselves as the good guys and anyone whose paperwork isn’t kept in a lockbox for the last 7 years with PROOF of innocence is a bad guy. They seem to quickly forget the constitution.

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According to Intrade, the winner of the December 12th GOP debate was... Duncan Hunter.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1938773/posts


74 posted on 12/19/2007 3:54:35 PM PST by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: Kevmo
According to Intrade, the winner of the December 12th GOP debate was... Duncan Hunter.

Very interesting analysis. Hopefully it becomes an accurate indicator. Thanks for your effort.
75 posted on 12/19/2007 7:23:28 PM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! Duncan Hunter is a Cosponsor.)
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To: SIDENET
"I'm the government reeducation center truancy officer."
76 posted on 12/19/2007 7:36:11 PM PST by Lancer_N3502A
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To: Tired of Taxes

“Everything depends on homeschooling law, which varies from state to state.”

OK. Pardon my denseness, but why is the state in question an issue? There are schools that cater to out of state home educators. Who cares what state you get the diploma in so long as the high school issuing it is accredited?

It just seems to me that some home educators are going through a lot of grief when they could simply get a HS diploma without a great deal of expense.


77 posted on 12/19/2007 7:46:44 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: Man50D
As WND has reported, German authorities operating under the law stemming from Hitler's desire to control the minds of youth have ruled not only that homeschooling is a basis for child endangerment charges, but a local government was remiss in allowing a mother to take her two children to another country where homeschooling is legal.

After so many years of knowing better, I still went and read WND and then I came to this.

78 posted on 12/19/2007 7:52:42 PM PST by ShadowDancer ("To succeed in life, you need three things: a wishbone, a backbone and a funny bone.")
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To: Man50D

Thanks. I certainly have taken some heat from the fred followers over it lately.

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According to Intrade, the winner of the December 12th GOP debate was... Duncan Hunter.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1938773/posts


79 posted on 12/19/2007 8:07:37 PM PST by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: RKBA Democrat
Perhaps you can help me with this one. I simply don’t understand why home educators don’t enroll their kids in a private HS (via a correspondence study program) to get the HS Diploma. Why not spend maybe $1,000 over 3-4 years, get the HS Diploma, and render the issue moot?

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Many homeschooling families do this. With pre-planing it works well.

The problem comes when a parent wants to remove a bright child from government school and enroll him in college. By the time he finished the homeschool high school courses he might just as well finish high school ( for free).

In our case, we were among the first of the homeschooling families. I never expected my children to be ready for college at the ages of 13, 12, and 13. What a surprise! We decided that it was better for them to go ahead with college (even without scholarships) than to delay college 2 to 3 years while they finished high school. For them to enter the workforce 4 years early means approximately $250,000 to $500,000 more in earnings over their working lifetimes.

80 posted on 12/20/2007 7:14:07 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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