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Crazed Veterans Spark Nationwide Crime Wave
Powerlineblog ^ | January 13, 2008 | John Hinderaker

Posted on 01/13/2008 6:06:24 PM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets

Crazed Veterans Spark Nationwide Crime Wave

That's the theme of a front page article in today's New York Times: "Across America, Deadly Echoes of Foreign Battles." The article reports on what must have been a major effort by the Times to comb through news reports from across the country, identifying and tabulating instances where servicemen who returned from Iraq or Afghanistan were charged with some form of homicide. The Times summarizes the results of its research:

Town by town across the country, headlines have been telling similar stories. Lakewood, Wash.: “Family Blames Iraq After Son Kills Wife.” Pierre, S.D.: “Soldier Charged With Murder Testifies About Postwar Stress.” Colorado Springs: “Iraq War Vets Suspected in Two Slayings, Crime Ring.” Individually, these are stories of local crimes, gut-wrenching postscripts to the war for the military men, their victims and their communities. Taken together, they paint the patchwork picture of a quiet phenomenon, tracing a cross-country trail of death and heartbreak.

The New York Times found 121 cases in which veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan committed a killing in this country, or were charged with one, after their return from war.

The Times article goes on just about forever--it is nine pages long on the web--but it consists almost entirely of anecdotes about a handful of the 121 alleged crimes. The stories are indeed sad, and some of the soldiers and veterans involved no doubt did suffer from post-traumatic stress disorder. Still, the Times' approach is astonishingly unsystematic, especially since the paper takes seriously the idea that the U.S. military may be responsible for the supposed crime wave:

At various times, the question of whether the military shares some blame for these killings gets posed. When it is not recounting stories of crimes committed by servicemen, always from a point of view sympathetic to the idea that service in a theater of war was a contributing factor--"plagued by nightmares about an Iraqi civilian killed by his unit, [Mr. Sepi] often needed alcohol to fall asleep"--the paper waxes pretentious:

Decades of studies on the problems of Vietnam veterans have established links between combat trauma and higher rates of unemployment, homelessness, gun ownership, child abuse, domestic violence, substance abuse — and criminality. On a less scientific level, such links have long been known. “The connection between war and crime is unfortunately very ancient,” said Dr. Shay, the V.A. psychiatrist and author. “The first thing that Odysseus did after he left Troy was to launch a pirate raid on Ismarus. Ending up in trouble with the law has always been a final common pathway for some portion of psychologically injured veterans.”

Now put yourself in the place of a newspaper editor. Suppose you are asked to evaluate whether your paper should run a long article on a nationwide epidemic of murders committed by veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan--a crime wave that, your reporter suggests, constitutes a "cross-country trail of death and heartbreak." Suppose that the reporter who proposes to write the article says it will be a searing indictment of the U.S. military's inadequate attention to post-traumatic stress disorder. Suppose further that you are not a complete idiot.

Given that last assumption, I'm pretty sure your first question will be: "How does the murder rate among veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan compare to the murder rate for young American men generally?" Remarkably, this is a question the New York Times did not think to ask. Or, if the Times asked the question and figured out the answer, the paper preferred not to report it.

As of 2005, the homicide rate for Americans aged 18-24, the cohort into which most soldiers fall, was around 27 per 100,000. (The rate for men in that age range would be much higher, of course, since men commit around 88% of homicides. But since most soldiers are also men, I gave civilians the benefit of the doubt and considered gender a wash.)

Next we need to know how many servicemen have returned from Iraq or Afghanistan. A definitive number is no doubt available, but the only hard figure I've seen is that as of last October, moe than 500,000 U.S. Army personnel had served in either Iraq or Afghanistan. Other sources peg the total number of personnel from all branches of the military who have served in the two theaters much higher, e.g. 750,000, 650,000 as of February 2007, or 1,280,000. For the sake of argument, let's say that 700,000 soldiers, Marines, airmen and sailors have returned to the U.S. from service in Iraq or Afghanistan.

Do the math: the 121 alleged instances of homicide identified by the Times, out of a population of 700,000, works out to a rate of 17 per 100,000--quite a bit lower than the overall national rate of around 27.

But wait! The national rate of 27 homicides per 100,000 is an annual rate, whereas the Times' 121 alleged crimes were committed over a period of six years. Which means that, as far as the Times' research shows, the rate of homicides committed by military personnel who have returned from Iraq or Afghanistan is only a fraction of the homicide rate for other Americans aged 18 to 24. Somehow, the Times managed to publish nine pages of anecdotes about the violence wreaked by returning servicemen without ever mentioning this salient fact.

I've got a suggestion for the editors of the Times: next time, why don't they undertake a research project to identify all murders and other forms of homicide committed (or allegedly committed--no finding of guilt necessary!) by people who are, or recently have been, employed by newspaper companies? They could write a long article in which selected crimes allegedly committed by reporters, editors and typesetters are recounted in detail, accompanied by speculation about whether newspaper employment was a contributing factor in each case. No need to wonder whether reporters, editors and typesetters commit homicide at a rate any different from the rest of the population--a single murder is too many!

Here's another idea: the Times' story on veterans' crimes repeatedly focused on the role of alcoholism, which the paper associated with the stresses of military service. How about a survey that compares alcoholism rates among reporters and soldiers? Just on a hunch, I'll wager a dollar that the alcoholism rate for reporters is higher.

It's bad enough that the New York Times smears our military personnel when they are serving overseas. Can't they at least leave them alone once they return home?


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; enemedia; msm; newyorkslimes; newyorktimes; nyt; oefveterans; oifveterans; ptsd; quackery; veterans
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Actually it appears that veterans are not pulling their weight in committing murders here in the US, although, according to the article, they own guns. Hmmm... much work needs to be done.


41 posted on 01/13/2008 10:09:36 PM PST by Eagles6
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To: kittymyrib
Everyone seems to be missing the real point.

Stalone is coming out with a new Rambo movie........which only work if VV are psycho killers.

42 posted on 01/13/2008 10:14:18 PM PST by ASOC (The Captain doesn't choose the storm....)
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To: PzLdr
I picked 1987 as it was a tad over 2 decades from the start of the war.

from the article: "Decades of studies on the problems of Vietnam veterans.."

1987 is 2 decades ago ...

combat Marines entered Vietnam in 1965 - 2 decades before 1987.

The original study started in 1973 and was commissioned by the Veterans Admin and ran for 8 years. It was based on interviews with approx 1400 Viet Vets (mostly criminals).

so go ahead and pick which "decades" you want to use.

I urge you to get a copy of Stolen Valor: How the Vietnam Generation was Robbed of Its Heroes and History, by B.G. Burkett.

Sorry for the rant, but hey keep trotting this stuff out as gospel and it's not true.

FYI...in 1994 the unemployment rate for Viet Vets was 3.9% while the unemployment rate for all veterans was 4.9%
43 posted on 01/13/2008 10:56:55 PM PST by stylin19a
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
This is a little Hegelian dialect designed to complement the recent "NICS Improvement Act". Label our soldiers as mental problems to deny them 2nd amendment rights as a big "thank you" for serving their country.
44 posted on 01/13/2008 11:03:29 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Crazed Veterans Spark Nationwide Crime Wave

45 posted on 01/13/2008 11:05:57 PM PST by endthematrix (He was shouting 'Allah!' but I didn't hear that. It just sounded like a lot of crap to me.)
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To: river rat; Squantos

I guess the fedgov needs to disarm the vets, just to be safe.

Good luck with that little project.


46 posted on 01/14/2008 5:50:12 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

The NYT will be out of business in five years. Few will cry.


47 posted on 01/14/2008 5:54:20 AM PST by Tribune7 (Dems want to rob from the poor to give to the rich)
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To: kempo
I can’t believe anyone still buys that rag.

I went to Catholic H.S. in NYC and it really was a delightful paper in the day, if a bit lefty. I remember sitting in the cafeteria before class, having a coffee and reading the sports and editorial pages (pre-op/ed days). I haven't changed that much, they and the Boston Globe have both become so teeth-achingly politically correct that only tone-deaf moron could bear to read them any more.

You can add Bill Kristol or Johnathan Goldberg or Tom Sowell, the overall tone of the rag isn't going to change. It's not that they're lefty, it's that they are mind numbingly boring. The cognitive dissonance required to believe the liberal left agenda makes you a bore. It's almost as bad as The Nation. They still think the Rosenbergs were innocent. And Alger Hiss was framed. Get over it.

When Hillary becomes president she can issue a pardon for the Rosenbergs like Dukakis did for Sacco and Vanzetti, but as in the case of S&V, they'll still be guilty as Hell.

48 posted on 01/14/2008 6:12:23 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Being an idealist excuses nothing. Hitler was an idealist.)
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To: Travis McGee; river rat

As stated before....that 90 pound PC hired badass split tail LEO SWAT’Y down the street keeps all my tools for me till I need em anyway.


49 posted on 01/14/2008 6:35:53 AM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; Shooter 2.5; wku man; SLB; ...
I note that this little bit of agitprop shows up right on the heels of the passing of the recent federal legislative changes to the NICS system, aka "The Veterans Disarmament Act".

Coincidence? I think not.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

50 posted on 01/14/2008 6:45:11 AM PST by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: endthematrix
Crazed Veterans Spark Nationwide Crime Wave

If they keep pushing disarmament that will be the least of their problems.

51 posted on 01/14/2008 6:48:06 AM PST by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
A flurry of movies about US soldiers being sadistic killers, and now articles about "crazed veterans."

Deja Vu all over again.

52 posted on 01/14/2008 7:12:06 AM PST by VR-21
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To: kittymyrib
It’s about time some hard-hitting newspaper....

And that would be which one....?

53 posted on 01/14/2008 7:39:29 AM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: DoughtyOne
The scary part of all this is the recent revelation that members of some of the bloodiest street gangs in the nation including MS13 and the Crips/Bloods have been having their members voluntarily enlist in the army and marines and then volunteer for infantry and a war assignment. They don't screw up, they keep their noses clean and they LEARN (something they never did in school). Then they go off and practice in a combat zone. When they return and leave active duty, they go right back to the 'hood and teach all those hard won SKILLS to the other gangsta thugs!

Now suddenly when the cops take them on there is "fire and maneuver" and flanking movements on the cops. The next thing you know, they'll be ripping off the military for mortars and claymore mines! I've always felt that the biggest difference between me and the thugs that would help me to survive would be my training which although unused and dormant for many years is always still right there. Now I'm not so sure.

54 posted on 01/14/2008 7:47:35 AM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: Clintonfatigued
If my memory is correct, there was similar yellow journalism near the end of the Vietnam War.

It wasn't nearly as subtle back then. It was in your face and viscous as hell.

55 posted on 01/14/2008 8:00:42 AM PST by Ditto (Global Warming: The 21st Century's Snake Oil)
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To: ExSoldier
The scary part of all this is the recent revelation that members of some of the bloodiest street gangs in the nation including MS13 and the Crips/Bloods have been having their members voluntarily enlist in the army and marines and then volunteer for infantry and a war assignment.

You have any documentation for that or is it another urban legend?

56 posted on 01/14/2008 8:08:34 AM PST by Ditto (Global Warming: The 21st Century's Snake Oil)
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To: Army Air Corps
Tis time to flood their e-mail and post inboxes with some well penned rebuttals

It is also time to NEVER EVER buy one of their newspapers

57 posted on 01/14/2008 8:12:59 AM PST by clamper1797 (Fred Thompson - Duncan Hunter for POTUS and Vice Potus in either order)
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To: ExSoldier

You are right. What’s more, if we wanted to end the gangs, we could. If we wanted to end people coming across and strengthening MS13 and the like, we could. We have RICO laws. We have immigration laws.

We have a president and other political figures who want this nation so damaged, that they can run ruffshod over the U.S. Citizens to implement their goals. Solid citizens wouldn’t allow them to. And so it is that our nation must be torn down.

I firmly believe this is about sovereignty and the sanctity of our national identity.

Nobody but nobody would be stupid enough to allow what is taking place, if it didn’t fit into a percieved game plan.

Globalism and a unified single government for the Americas is on the fast track, and you and I and our nation stands second behind those goals, if not third or fourth.


58 posted on 01/14/2008 8:20:36 AM PST by DoughtyOne (< fence >< sound immigration policies >< /weasles >< /RINOs >< /Reagan wannabees that are liberal >)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

"All the news that's fit to pick-up dog shit with"

59 posted on 01/14/2008 10:01:33 AM PST by pabianice
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To: pabianice

We’re all about ROI.


60 posted on 01/14/2008 10:03:46 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Being an idealist excuses nothing. Hitler was an idealist.)
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