Ron Paul and the Lodestar of Liberty

American Thinker ^ | January 14, 2008 | Bruce Walker

[fortheDeclaration]

[China is buying U.S. debt.]

>>>>which doesn’t mean they’re somehow funding the war on terror.

They are buying our debt which is paying for the WOT.

And by jamming our head in the sand and depleting our military, and retreating back to the westen hemisphere, that addresses the humongous Chinese military buildup HOW exactly?

What is depleting our military is being stretched all over the globe, defending areas that can be defended by the nations in that region.

[fortheDeclaration]

[The soviets were worried about our attacking them in an all out nucleur war.]

>>>>As well as conventional, chemical and biological.

The Soviets had no fear of us in conventional land warfare.

(What they miss teaching world history in public schools these days is simply breathtaking!)

Yes, I am amazed how one can be so obtuse in understanding recent history.

[fortheDeclaration]

If anything the U.S. is underspending on the military.

We are fighting an enemy with no organized Army, no Navy and no Air Force, but the Defense budget is too small!

[fortheDeclaration]

Repudiate the bonds that the Chicoms hold and see how their economy grows then. Aply the nterest bot paid to the American military. Retake Hong Kong if possible (and it is). If one Chicom soldier sets one boot on Taiwan, make Beijing a nuked memory. China is loooooong unfinished business.

LOL!

We can't even finish our war in Iraq and you want to take on the Chinese!

[fortheDeclaration]

50 years (actually nearly 60 years) is entirely too long but that length was dictated and the future length is dictated by Truman's refusal to conquer the north and to do it as the US and not under the UN. We could have taken out the Chicoms in the process but noooooo.

Well, that would have meant declaring a war and winnng it, something we haven't done since WW2.

Interventionism is the American way,

It is!

We didn't start intervening until the Spanish American War.

not isolationist cowardice or internationalist globaloney. When necessary, war under whatever auspices is better than a phony peace. If two lions and one lamb vote on what's for dinner, the main ingredient will be lamb.

You guys would try to find a enemy to fight a war against even in the Millennium.

We certainly should not punish South Korea for returning to a sensible pro-Western stance by removing the troops at the DMZ. When the communist bosses of North Korea are dead and when the place has been rehabilitated and disarmed and is ruled by the South, then we can talk withdrawal.

Yea, in another 50 years, if the US survives that long.

[fortheDeclaration]

How is the Paulistinian Dr. Demento doing in getting his treason weasel self actually nominated??? Any non-traitor could be nominated at a brokered convention. PaleoPaulie, as a paleopeacecreep, does not qualify and need not apply. It's nice that you favor limited government and, who knows, maybe someday when we are not busy slaughtering our enemies, when the world is a safe place, when the lions have lain down peaceably with the lambs or in their graves (whatever!), when babies are not being slaughtered by the millions just for being babies, when Lance and Bruce know they need to live in another country to "marry", to utilize the nether end of the digestive system as though it were an organ of sexuality or enjoy the perks of marriage, when street crime is crushed and when the military is rebuilt to an unchallengeable strength, maybe we can start on lesser issues like reducing gummint in which case, end gummint skeweling first (not just the federal Department of Edjumakashun). Meanwhile, we have not reached the point where blunderbusses, sabers and letters of marque and reprisal can be substituted for High Frontier, death from the sky, nuclear boomer submarines, other real weapons and the restored Pentagon. Our figurative swords are not about to be beaten into plowshares. You may not care for the waging of war against those who have or would attack us but that is one of the very few legitimate excuses for government. If you don't like that, then exile yourself into libertoonianism and stop hallucinating that you are anything vaguely resembling conservative.

You sure must like the sound of your own voice!

Defense is one of the legimate roles of government-our Defense, not the Defense of the world.

[ksen]

Don[t the people that advocate our continued garrisoning of the world realize that by paying for the defense of other countries we are making it easier for those other countries to become socialist countries since they don’t have defense spending to worry about?

By keeping our troops abroad we are subsidizing the spread of socialism.

Whoops, there I go again . . . blaming America first. :sheesh:

[Puddleglum]

After the Paul newsletter disclosures, one would think that the Paultards would hang their head in shame and slink away. Instead they defend the wakadoo and the ugly subculture of the ultra far right. Bizarro.

No offense, but I am surprised to see the phrase "ultra far right" used on FR. I think there are better ways to characterize what you say were the faults of the newsletters. Your phrase seems to suggest there is a peg mark on the conservative spectrum beyond which reasonable minds shouldn't venture - a point at which "right" becomes wrong.

[fortheDeclaration]

Don[t the people that advocate our continued garrisoning of the world realize that by paying for the defense of other countries we are making it easier for those other countries to become socialist countries since they don’t have defense spending to worry about? By keeping our troops abroad we are subsidizing the spread of socialism. Whoops, there I go again . . . blaming America first. :sheesh:

Neocons consider no expense as too great for the U.S. taxpayers to bear to defend the world!

[fortheDeclaration]

The firing apparently resulted from pressure by pro-Muslim officials working in the Department of Defense, according to numerous news reports

There is the neocon WOT!

What a farce!

[tpanther]

The only enemy that S.Korea has is the North.

Stop inventing stuff

>>>>Hardly. Anyone with even a cursory sense of history knows that not only is China a threat being communist and is building a large military while the world sleeps, but they ALSO were actively involved in the Korean war!

Again, what passes for history class in failed public schools these days is just sad.

[tpanther]

What is depleting our military is being stretched all over the globe, defending areas that can be defended by the nations in that region.

>>>>”Can be defended” and “will be defended” is as absurd as buying debt and funding the WOT example.

History shows time and time again allowing terrorists to build armies, take land, and terrorize populations leads to greater catastrophe.

It would be really peachy if the U.N. did it’s job but it clearly doesn’t.

[tpanther]

The Soviets had no fear of us in conventional land warfare.

Yes, I am amazed how one can be so obtuse in understanding recent history.

>>>>>Projecting to cover your own shortcomings just doesn’t work.

If the Soviets had no fear of us in conventional land warfare, why did they build all those tanks?

[tpanther]

We are fighting an enemy with no organized Army, no Navy and no Air Force, but the Defense budget is too small!

>>>>You have no ability to learn from the past AND look to the future.

[tpanther]

The “War” in Iraq was done in 2-3 weeks. It’s been the mess afterwards that’s been a problem.

For that matter, the war in Korea hasn’t been finished, the war in Europe hasn’t really been finished, which is the ENTIRE point!

War is with us, always has been, always will be and no matter how many pretzels you contort yourself into, that simply won’t ever EVER change!

[tpanther]

You guys would try to find a enemy to fight a war against even in the Millennium.

>>>>>No, enemies hate freedom. Enemies find us, not the other way around.

Yea, in another 50 years, if the US survives that long.

>>>>If YOU were a South Korean you’d be happy if we waited out ill leader 500 years.

The best chance we have to NOT survive the next 50 years is plugging our head in the sand and pretending we’re the problem.

[tpanther]

Defense is one of the legimate roles of government-our Defense, not the Defense of the world.

>>>And our defense entails more than our borders. Even my 5th grader understands by now after studying history, (during WW2), that once you have enemies literally at your doorstep on every side, eventually you’ll fold.

Again, it would be really nice if the Euroweenies could figure it out. Some have: GB, Poland...but too many haven’t.

[tpanther]

If they relied on their own defense they’d be totalitarian. Forget socialist, they’d be something much much worse!

History has proven this over and over and over...

Ooops there I go being a war monger again...

sheesh

[tpanther]

Freedom isn’t free.

[tpanther]

“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it’s natural manure”.-——————Thomas Jefferson

“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil, is for good men to do nothing”.-—————Edmund Burke