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A Journey To 9,000 Years Ago (Çatalhöyük)
Turkish Daily News ^ | 1-17-2008 | VERCİHAN ZİFLİOĞLU

Posted on 01/17/2008 4:06:53 PM PST by blam

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1 posted on 01/17/2008 4:06:56 PM PST by blam
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To: SunkenCiv

GGG Ping.


2 posted on 01/17/2008 4:07:29 PM PST by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: blam
Blam, do you recall the name of the radical feminist from UC involved in this dig? I was enough to call everything written into question for obvious political motivation. Gotta have goddesses you know.
3 posted on 01/17/2008 4:19:52 PM PST by JimSEA
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To: JimSEA

No, don’t recall.


4 posted on 01/17/2008 4:36:05 PM PST by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: blam
Hodder thinks that archaeology is like forensic medicine as it makes use of various methods from natural and positive sciences to answer questions like “Why are residential areas so large?” “Why did people choose to live collectively?” “Why did they use the roofs and ladders to enter the houses?”

A building with no ground-floor entry turns into a decent fortress. It's easier to build one great-hall than to build internal walls (or maybe the internal walls were made of something that rotted away since then)

5 posted on 01/17/2008 4:42:09 PM PST by PapaBear3625
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btt


6 posted on 01/17/2008 5:03:56 PM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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7 posted on 01/17/2008 5:05:13 PM PST by AndrewB
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To: JimSEA

Gimbutas? I’m not sure she was involved in the dig, but she did author a book about this, championing the goddess angle. Catal Huyuk appears to have had a wide variety of different cults, or perhaps had basically secular art objects that have been interpreted (as so many prehistoric survivals have been) as cult objects. :’)


8 posted on 01/17/2008 9:44:02 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__________________Profile updated Wednesday, January 16, 2008)
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9 posted on 01/17/2008 9:44:43 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__________________Profile updated Wednesday, January 16, 2008)
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To: JimSEA

The ancient Greeks had goddesses. Hard to call them a matriarchy just because of that, though.

Sometimes I wonder how much of archaeological interpretation is just fantasy and wish it were?


10 posted on 01/17/2008 9:54:41 PM PST by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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A Weaver’s View of the Catal Huyuk Controversy
Marla Mallett: Textiles | August/September 1990 | Marla Mallett
Posted on 08/25/2006 3:32:24 AM EDT by SunkenCiv
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http://cpprot.te.verweg.com/2005-August/001602.html


11 posted on 01/17/2008 10:01:24 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__________________Profile updated Wednesday, January 16, 2008)
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To: Grimmy

Like trying to reconstruction of a life based on the possession of a femur bone.


12 posted on 01/17/2008 10:11:51 PM PST by RobbyS
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Yeah. Like when objects claimed to be images of goddesses coexist with phallic symbols. Must be evidence of equal rights and universal suffrage or whatever is popular in the social indoc.

I just wish that science would do science and knock off the fantasy, sometimes.


13 posted on 01/17/2008 10:17:51 PM PST by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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In many cases, the evidence is so skimpy that they have to make up background stories to make it worthwhile for them to continue to work. It is sobering to think how nature works to smother evidence of human life. Still there is some trace, whereas animals generally leave only their bones.


14 posted on 01/17/2008 10:30:56 PM PST by RobbyS
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To: RobbyS

Human nature I guess. I don’t doubt I’d do much the same in similar circumstances.

Archeology is fascinating. I just always end up wondering how much of it is real, how much made up.


15 posted on 01/17/2008 10:33:32 PM PST by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: Grimmy

How much of human knowledge is made up, soothing stories to mask a profound ignorance.


16 posted on 01/17/2008 11:06:26 PM PST by RobbyS
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"How much of human knowledge is made up, soothing stories to mask a profound ignorance"

That's a very good question.

17 posted on 01/17/2008 11:26:50 PM PST by mitch5501 (typical)
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To: RobbyS

There it is. Yep.


18 posted on 01/17/2008 11:30:23 PM PST by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: SunkenCiv
I think it is likely one of her students I am thinking of. She pushed the idea of a culture having goddesses into a matriarchal “perfect” neolithic society. A good example of ideology warping science.
19 posted on 01/18/2008 8:32:20 AM PST by JimSEA
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To: JimSEA

Yeah, it’s political in origin, and anachronistic. Not to mention kinda dopey. :’) The nice part is, the number of such titles is definitely in decline; that kind of screed (okay, now I’ve used that term twice in a half hour, geez) is now channelled into Bush-hatred, America-hatred, pro-Moslem, pro-fake-diversity, pro-fake-revolution, etc. And of course the sociologists and anthropologists who had been pushing that all died because Bush and Rove and Cheney increased funding for giving women breast cancer.


20 posted on 01/18/2008 10:43:32 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__________________Profile updated Wednesday, January 16, 2008)
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