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Bush to say rebates are best stimulus
http://news.yahoo.com ^ | ANDREW TAYLOR

Posted on 01/18/2008 8:23:43 AM PST by Lucky9teen

WASHINGTON - President Bush backs tax rebates as the best way to stimulate the economy, but will not detail how big they should be, an administration official said Friday.

Democratic congressional leaders agree that one-time checks should be in the package, but are working on a broader measure that would also include aid targeted to the poor and unemployed. Bush planned to lay out his position publicly for the first time later Friday, first in remarks at the White House and later at a Frederick, Md., manufacturing plant.

White House spokesman Tony Fratto said earlier that Bush also will outline about how much the government should spend in order for the short-term growth package to be effective. This new White House bottom line likely would significantly shape the president's negotiations with Congress.

"It's hard sometimes for people to understand how large this economy is," Fratto said. "So he'll have something to say about how large a package."

Fratto said there are many ways to get quick agreement so that a measure can be in place and start working. Bush chose to lay out "principles" with few specifics to the American people now, while bipartisan negotiations with Capitol Hill are taking place privately. The White House feels Bush was out of the mix for too long, because he was away for eight days in the Mideast while Democratic leaders talked almost daily about the need to stimulate the economy — and how.

"What he believes is that we've got to do something that is robust. It's going to be temporary and get money into the economy quickly," Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson said Friday on CBS's "The Early Show." "It's going to be focused on consumers, individuals, families — putting money in their pocket. And it's going to be focused on giving businesses the incentive to hire people, to create jobs."

Bush has gone down the tax rebate road before. Back in 2001, he added refunds of up to $300 per individual and $600 per household as a recession-fighting element of the tax cut plan that had been the centerpiece of his 2000 campaign.

Economists said a reasonable range for tax cuts in the new package might be $500 to $1,000. A White House plan is looking at rebates of up to $800 for individuals and $1,600 for married couples under a White House plan.

Bush first signaled his support for the approach of income tax rebates for people and tax breaks for business investment in a conference call Thursday with bipartisan congressional leaders.

The scramble to take action came as fears mounted that a severe housing slump and a painful credit crisis could cause people to clamp down on their spending and businesses to put a lid on hiring, throwing the country into its first recession since 2001.

Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke entered the stimulus debate Thursday, appearing before the House Budget Committee to endorse the idea of putting money — as soon as possible — into the hands of those who would spend it quickly and boost the flagging economy.

Especially important is making sure a plan can put cash into the hands of poor people and the middle class, who are most likely to spend it right away, he said, though the Fed chairman added that research shows affluent people also spend some of their rebates.

Bernanke declined to endorse any particular approach, but did say he preferred one that would not have a long-term adverse impact on the government's budget deficit.

Aides to lawmakers involved in the talks said the White House also wants to eliminate the 10 percent income tax bracket for one year and issue a rebate within months. Paulson said the business section of Bush's plan would be focused on "giving businesses the incentive to hire people, to create jobs."

But advocates for the poor said that tens of millions of people in lower income ranges would be left out or not fully feel the benefit of the White House plan.

Lawmakers were instead discussing a $500 rebate for individuals, the aides said, with details for couples and people with children still being negotiated. The rebates would likely be limited to individuals with incomes of $85,000 or less and couples with incomes of $110,000 or less, the aides said, speaking on condition of anonymity because no final decisions had been made.

Senior aides to House Democrats and Republicans said the measure also would contain tax breaks for businesses investing in new equipment, increases in food stamps, and higher unemployment benefits. They spoke on condition of anonymity, since the talks are ongoing and lawmakers have promised not to reveal details.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said she wanted legislation enacted within a month and said the government must "spend the money, invest the resources, give the tax relief in a way that again injects demand into the economy, puts it in the hands of those who need it most and into the middle class ... so that we can create jobs."

The White House stressed that the sides are close together. "We're largely in the same range of ideas," Fratto said.

When talking to lawmakers, the president did not push for a permanent extension of his 2001 and 2003 tax cuts, many of which are due to expire in 2010, officials said. That would eliminate a potential stumbling block to swift action by Congress, since most Democrats oppose making the tax cuts permanent.

Fratto said the White House still would like to see the tax cuts made permanent, but regards that as separate from the stimulus effort.

For now, Bernanke was hopeful the country could skirt a dangerous downturn.

"We're not forecasting recession but, rather, at this point, slow growth," he told lawmakers. Still, the toll of the housing and credit debacles will be felt into early next year, he added.


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: bush; bushtaxcuts; economy; radioaddress; rebate; rebates
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$1600/family? Sounds good to me...
1 posted on 01/18/2008 8:23:46 AM PST by Lucky9teen
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To: Lucky9teen

I didn’t realize that Bush is the new John Edwards.


2 posted on 01/18/2008 8:27:04 AM PST by Looper
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To: Lucky9teen

I wonder why the first thing the “Government” thinks about doing to stimulate the economy , is to give us back tax money they already took? Why not just leave it in the pockts of the public in the first place?

Meadow Muffin


3 posted on 01/18/2008 8:27:24 AM PST by rwgal
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To: Lucky9teen

Wrong move here. Make the tax cuts PERMANENT. Drop the fed rate half a point.

And then let Capitalism do what it does best, thin the ‘herd’ of the weak and ill conceived companies.


4 posted on 01/18/2008 8:28:39 AM PST by Badeye (No thanks, Huck, I'm not whitewashing the fence for you this election cycle)
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To: Lucky9teen
So, let me get this straight. If liberals endorse this give back, aren’t they also acknowledging that we are overtaxed?

I thought so.

5 posted on 01/18/2008 8:29:33 AM PST by gathersnomoss (General George Patton had it right.)
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To: Badeye

Wrong move indeed. Not only is Bush not pushing to make the tax cuts permanent, but is also putting a band aid on gaping wound. How hard is it to understand the economic stimulus that tax cuts provide?


6 posted on 01/18/2008 8:31:29 AM PST by tips up
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To: Lucky9teen

Tax rebates are good, but rebates that are spent on American-made goods/services would give more of a boost than will rebates spent at Wal-Mart on Chinese toxic waste.

Now, how you get from one to the other is another question altogether.


7 posted on 01/18/2008 8:32:45 AM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: rwgal

“...aid targeted to the poor and unemployed”
The rebates would likely be limited to individuals with incomes of $85,000 or less and couples with incomes of $110,000 or less,

Okay that leaves us out so it just looks like more redistribution to me.
A permanent tax cut for all would be worth alot more.


8 posted on 01/18/2008 8:33:23 AM PST by sheana
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To: Lucky9teen

This is silly...rebate.

Energy independence, lower taxes, less government, open up markets for our goods, secure our borders.

Those who do not open their markets to us get shut out or get penalized.


9 posted on 01/18/2008 8:33:34 AM PST by mr_hammer (...checking the breeze and barking at things that go bump in the night.)
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To: Lucky9teen
Tax cuts WILL NOT stimulate the economy unless you also cut spending. This recession (current or impending) is caused by government over-spending.

But that's lost on Bush, the biggest-spending president in American history. This is his recession.

10 posted on 01/18/2008 8:33:41 AM PST by VirginiaConstitutionalist (The top1% of income earners earn 17% of the income, but pay 39% of the income taxes. "Fair share?")
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To: tips up

‘How hard is it to understand the economic stimulus that tax cuts provide?’

Politically, its impossible now.


11 posted on 01/18/2008 8:33:46 AM PST by Badeye (No thanks, Huck, I'm not whitewashing the fence for you this election cycle)
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To: gathersnomoss

libs will just make sure people that pay no taxes get a “tax rebate”


12 posted on 01/18/2008 8:34:11 AM PST by bluebeak
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To: Lucky9teen

Wrong again.

Dammit, George, were you paying attention in Econ?

Permanent marginal rate reductions encourage investment that results in absolute productivity increases. Everything else is just redistributing the same amount of money in a different manner. While I prefer people spending their own money rather than government effectively burning it, a better plan is PERMANENT MARGINAL RATE REDUCTIONS FOR INVESTORS.


13 posted on 01/18/2008 8:34:28 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (Vote "Tax Hike Mike!" < / sarc>)
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To: Lucky9teen
How many people constitute a family.

Are just the wife and I going to get $1,600 back?

14 posted on 01/18/2008 8:34:43 AM PST by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Lucky9teen

How about cutting the tax rates and making it permanent?


15 posted on 01/18/2008 8:34:48 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: Lucky9teen
Give back $800 per person? Great !! AND..

1) Make the previous tax cuts permanent; and

2) Lower the Fed Rate AT LEAST 1/2 percent...NOW; and

3) Pump more money into the home mortgage system...NOW; and

4) Pass additionl tax rate cuts...NOW; and

I'M NOT EVEN A FREAKIN' ECONOMIST !!! ALL IT TAKES IS A LITTLE (and I mean little) COMMON SENSE...A QUALITY SADLY LACKING IN WASHINGTON.

16 posted on 01/18/2008 8:35:39 AM PST by GoldenPup
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To: Blood of Tyrants
"How about cutting the tax rates and making it permanent?"

Oh yeah, try getting that pipe-dream through a Democratic Congress!

That's a good one, ha ha!

17 posted on 01/18/2008 8:35:54 AM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Lucky9teen

I’m certainly not going to turn down the money, but this is such blatant vote-buying by both parties, it’s ridiculous.


18 posted on 01/18/2008 8:36:09 AM PST by jpl (Dear Al Gore: it's 3:00 A.M., do you know where your drug addicted son is?)
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To: Lucky9teen

So, now Bush is saying that his great economy sucks???


19 posted on 01/18/2008 8:36:18 AM PST by RetiredArmy (Rome burned to the ground. America is slowly burning to the ground. Socialism is killing it.)
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To: VirginiaConstitutionalist
"This recession (current or impending) is caused by government over-spending."

That's insane.

20 posted on 01/18/2008 8:37:41 AM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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