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What's Next For Thompson?
News Channel 5 ^ | Jan 19, 2008 | NewsChannel5.com

Posted on 01/20/2008 2:27:30 AM PST by counterpunch

COLUMBIA, S.C.- John McCain was the winner of Saturday's South Carolina primary. Mike Huckabee came in second. Fred Thompson came in third, followed closely by Mitt Romney.

This is a victory that eluded McCain in 2000, and if history is a guide, may have set him on course to become the GOP presidential nominee. No Republican since 1980 has won the party's nod without a win in the first-in-the-South primary.

Saturday's primary loss was clearly a big disappointment for Fred Thompson, but you never would have picked up on that when you heard him speak to his supporters.

"Well, it may be a little early to declare victory, I am not sure," Thompson joked. "We told our folks to vote late, so they'll be trickling in I am sure."

So a lot of folks are now weighing in on Fred Thompson's political future. One political expert from Tennessee weighs in.

"I think he is through if he doesn't do well here, I think he has said so. Even a second place finish won't do," said Jackson Baker, Memphis Flyer.

"This is a gun show he just attended, if he can't get votes from this crowd, in this state which is probably the most conservative state in the union probably, then his message just probably won't play anywhere else," said Baker.

Thompson spent more time campaigning in South Carolina than anyone else. An army of Tennessee Volunteers also came through. They sent out a scripted message to undecided voters.

In South Carolina, apparently, Thompson's message did not catch on. Fred Thompson, however, was far from making any sort of statement about bowing out of the presidential race. Thompson returned home to Virginia Saturday night. His campaign most likely is regrouping, and gearing up for another big fight in the Florida Primary.


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Fred needs to fight on all the way to the convention. He can succeed at the GOP convention where Ronald Reagan failed in 1976. Fred’s fight will be on the convention floor, for leadership and party unity.

Fred has an important job to do still. He must keep the nomination far out of reach of Mike Huckabee. And he must bring the party together as the consensus conservative choice when no candidate comes up with enough delegates to win the nomination.

Keep on fighting Fred!

1 posted on 01/20/2008 2:27:35 AM PST by counterpunch
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To: counterpunch
The Vice President spot is still up for grabs and who could play the part better than an actor?
2 posted on 01/20/2008 2:36:06 AM PST by ME-262 (Nancy Pelosi is known to the state of CA to render Viagra ineffective causing reproductive harm.)
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To: counterpunch
Keep on fighting Fred!

I sent a second contribution to Fred's campaign tonight. Whether or not Fred stays in the race... I got to put my money where my heart is.

3 posted on 01/20/2008 2:43:02 AM PST by syriacus (HUCKIAVELLIAN : (adj.) hypocritical; slick; glib; charming and, yet, sneakily nasty.)
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To: ME-262

I would not welcome such a development.

If Fred’s not steering the Ship of State, then the cabin boy must be.

I want the Captain at the wheel.


4 posted on 01/20/2008 2:43:39 AM PST by John Valentine
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To: counterpunch

The campaign needs to retool. Got to figure out how to break Huck’s hold over the churches, and he’s going to have to enlist Giuliani and Romney as de facto allies. And everyone needs to pound McCain.


5 posted on 01/20/2008 2:44:38 AM PST by Free Vulcan (No prisoners. No mercy.)
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To: counterpunch
Fred has an important job to do still. He must keep the nomination far out of reach of Mike Huckabee. And he must bring the party together as the consensus conservative choice when no candidate comes up with enough delegates to win the nomination.

I agree.

In spite of what a lot of people around here think, I do believe that only McCain will be able to get enough independent and swing votes to BEAT HILLARY.

Huckabee sure as hell can't do it. Neither can Mitt and I'm not sure about Rudy.

The mere thought of Bill Clinton living in the White House again is disgusting and depressing.

Of course, if Obama beats Hillary, then it all over as no Republican will beat him. But at least Bill won't be in the White House again.

6 posted on 01/20/2008 2:49:11 AM PST by aj7360
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To: Free Vulcan

So what do you guys make of everyone saying Fred will drop out after Florida and endorse McCain? McCain!! Makes no sense whatever to me. Would he do that?


7 posted on 01/20/2008 2:52:49 AM PST by athelass (Proud Mom of a Sailor and two Marines! 71 days to Dodgers Opening Day! 28 days to the Daytona 500!)
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To: counterpunch
What's Next For Thompson?

Corner square on Hollywood Squares?

8 posted on 01/20/2008 2:53:43 AM PST by upsdriver (Thank you, Duncan Hunter! ! Like Ronald Reagan, you make me proud to be an American!)
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To: aj7360
What was the last check, 55% of Americans said they’d never vote for Hillary? She has the largest negatives of any major contender, and should be the easiest to beat; far easier to actually present a choice to the voters as Hillary has to continue chasing after the far left who got Monica’s cigar from Bill.
9 posted on 01/20/2008 2:57:45 AM PST by kingu (Fred08 - The Constitution is the value I'm voting for. What value are you voting for?)
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To: upsdriver

It’s people like you who make my packages arrive late.


10 posted on 01/20/2008 3:01:42 AM PST by counterpunch (GOP Convention '08 Go For Brokered!)
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To: Free Vulcan
The campaign needs to retool. Got to figure out how to break Huck’s hold over the churches, and he’s going to have to enlist Giuliani and Romney as de facto allies. And everyone needs to pound McCain.

This campaign is going to come down to Romney and McCain, with conservatives going to Romney.

Ofcourse, Rudy could do well in Florida and reenergize his campaign, but that only hurt McCain since they go for the same voters.

Huckabee doesn't have the money nor organization to keep going.

Thompson will drop as well.

Conservatives need to focus on getting good congressmen into office to keep a check on the Presidency.

Remember it was Congress, not the President, which stopped the Amnesty bill.

11 posted on 01/20/2008 3:01:52 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (The power under the Constitution will always be in the people- George Washington)
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To: Free Vulcan
Fred Thompson, however, was far from making any sort of statement about bowing out of the presidential race. Thompson returned home to Virginia Saturday night. His campaign most likely is regrouping, and gearing up for another big fight in the Florida Primary.
 
12 posted on 01/20/2008 3:02:35 AM PST by counterpunch (GOP Convention '08 Go For Brokered!)
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To: counterpunch
I don't know what's next for Thompson, but I'm about to scrape my Thompson For President bumper sticker. If he can't win in the South, then he's pretty much finished.
13 posted on 01/20/2008 3:06:01 AM PST by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Democrats spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: athelass

Everyone is saying that?
More like the Red October media that has been trying to torpedo his campaign since he got in, fuel by *uckabee’s whisper campaign of dirty tricks.


14 posted on 01/20/2008 3:09:10 AM PST by counterpunch (GOP Convention '08 Go For Brokered!)
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To: counterpunch

lol! Not me, I go to extremes everyday to take care of my customers. Have been for thirty years next week. However, there are those who don’t cater to the customer as seriously as I do. Mostly newer and younger employees who don’t understand the value of satisfied customers. Those types really irritate me, too.


15 posted on 01/20/2008 3:10:16 AM PST by upsdriver (Thank you, Duncan Hunter! ! Like Ronald Reagan, you make me proud to be an American!)
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To: counterpunch

History is not a SIMPLE guide!
It must be interpreted as somethings changed in the world,in US society,and on the political stage.
Then many parameters have to be taken into account to understand correctly the teachings of History.
How many and what kind of candidates were there in the 2000 primary elections on the Republican side?....As an example


16 posted on 01/20/2008 3:11:08 AM PST by Ulysse
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To: AlaskaErik

This was a primary where most people voting were either independents or evangelicals.
Just have patience, Fred’s time is about to come, now that we’re finally getting to closed primaries with only Republicans voting and where pastors don’t hold sway over the voters.


17 posted on 01/20/2008 3:12:25 AM PST by counterpunch (GOP Convention '08 Go For Brokered!)
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To: ME-262

“The Vice President spot is still up for grabs and who could play the part better than an actor?”

Everything is STILL UP for GRABS! NOTHING HAS BEEN DECIDED!


18 posted on 01/20/2008 3:27:05 AM PST by A. Morgan (CNN- the pantload Network. Tune in and you'll GET a pantload!)
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To: Free Vulcan
"Huck’s hold over the churches"

Do the churches in the south have that kind of herd mentality?

19 posted on 01/20/2008 3:29:28 AM PST by Past Your Eyes (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it.)
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To: counterpunch

I just heard that Fred won Nevada!


20 posted on 01/20/2008 3:34:37 AM PST by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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To: AlaskaErik
Fred we hardly knew ye!

Next election I'm voting for Bobby Jindal! If he can clean up Louisiana without joining the forces of corruption or getting caught in a scandal he will be in a very good position and have a great inspiring story to tell.

21 posted on 01/20/2008 3:34:42 AM PST by ME-262 (Nancy Pelosi is known to the state of CA to render Viagra ineffective causing reproductive harm.)
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To: BnBlFlag
I just heard Fred came in fifth in Nevada.
22 posted on 01/20/2008 3:44:24 AM PST by ME-262 (Nancy Pelosi is known to the state of CA to render Viagra ineffective causing reproductive harm.)
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To: athelass
So what do you guys make of everyone saying Fred will drop out after Florida and endorse McCain? McCain!! Makes no sense whatever to me. Would he do that?

McCain will run the infamous "Dole" campaign of the country club Republican....with the same result. The fight for the White House ends with Thompson, at least for me.

23 posted on 01/20/2008 3:46:05 AM PST by Dick Vomer (liberals suck....... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.,)
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To: BnBlFlag

“I just heard that Fred won Nevada!”

Romney won Nevada


24 posted on 01/20/2008 3:46:27 AM PST by snarkybob (')
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To: snarkybob

“Romney won Nevada”.
Shucks! You’re right. I must have heard it wrong. Oh, well.


25 posted on 01/20/2008 3:51:07 AM PST by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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To: counterpunch
...gearing up for another big fight in the Florida Primary.

Conservatives WANT to like Fred.

We WANTED to believe he would be able to energize and solidify the Republican base, and lead us into a new era of strength, prosperity and conservative dominance.

But it's more than obvious that 85% of Republicans, or more, understand that Fred is too old looking and uninspiring (sorry for the crudeness).

More importantly, he is ALSO part of that Washington DC insider good ol' boy network which has caused so many problems for the GOP and America.

Same with McCain.

Only Huckabee and Romney are 'outsiders' and would thus bring in some fresh leadership ideas.

And Huckabee would be total disaster... and would destroy the GOP for decades.

Which is why so many of us are excited about Mitt Romney, his fresh face... his fresh approach to conservative ideas and promotion.

26 posted on 01/20/2008 3:51:08 AM PST by Edit35
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To: Rock&RollRepublican

“More importantly, he is ALSO part of that Washington DC insider good ol’ boy network which has caused so many problems for the GOP and America.
Same with McCain.”

I think this was the main reason Fred didn’t ever really get going. He wasn’t able to draw any new supporters outside of the ones that were already for him. JMO but I think many people felt like he would just be an extension of GWBs administration and 4 more years of the same old same.
McCain is managing to side step some of this because of his reputation as a maverick. JMO again, but since the MSM never mentions McCains name without the Maverick thing thrown in, I think people have an idea that he will be a change candidate as well.


27 posted on 01/20/2008 3:57:46 AM PST by snarkybob (')
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To: Dick Vomer
McCain will run the infamous "Dole" campaign of the country club Republican.

Exactly!

McCain, and Fred (unfortunately), are part of that good 'ol boy Washington DC network which has demoralized us and gotten the country into the funk its in.

The Republican Party needs a fresh face of conservative promotion.

The reason Bomb-o Abracka has been doing well (in part) is his outsider status, his fresh face.

Of course that amounts to a hill of beans if there is no message, which is why so many of us are excited and energized about Romney.

Mitt is not only energized.. he is a fresh face, a new spirit... a new approach toward GETTING THINGS DONE for America.

McCain and Fred, as much as I love Fred, are the same old same old and would bring us the same old result as Bob Dole.

28 posted on 01/20/2008 3:58:36 AM PST by Edit35
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To: AlaskaErik

You sound just like the media. Fred can win the south as soon as the media lets him speak.


29 posted on 01/20/2008 4:00:57 AM PST by snippy_about_it (I'm a Friend of Fred, FRedneck! Fred08.com)
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To: counterpunch

I agree. Fred should stay in even if he has no chance of winning. He should be a voice, and a group of bargaining delegates, at the convention.


30 posted on 01/20/2008 4:03:54 AM PST by samtheman
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To: Rock&RollRepublican
But it's more than obvious that 85% of Republicans, or more, understand that Fred is too old looking and uninspiring (sorry for the crudeness).

What a stupid comment. If that was so, how did McCain who is what, 72, win SC.

31 posted on 01/20/2008 4:04:24 AM PST by snippy_about_it (I'm a Friend of Fred, FRedneck! Fred08.com)
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To: counterpunch

I’m still for Fred. However; if he stays in the race, he needs to consult with the likes of Haley Barbour or Ed Gillespie for ideas to turn this around. Fred’s been running his campaign from the back of the bus. In this day and age, that’s not going to cut it. He has to organize a grassroots army to go house-to-house, to man phone banks, to blanket neighborhoods with literature, etc. Ed Gillespie and Ken Mehlman (for that matter) understood this and helped propel W to victory in 2000 and 2004. W wouldn’t have won either election without the well-organized, grassroots machine he had. Ed, Ken, and (Rove) had every house in every precinct on a BlackBerry and had a strategy to reach the people in that house.

Fred’s TV spots and a few bus stops weren’t enough to carry the day in South Carolina, nor will they be in any other state. The MSM is marginalizing Fred. All the more reason he needs a strong grassroots effort. Again, this takes organization.

I’m ready to sign up for a PITCHFORK REVOLUTION under the slogan TURN IT OFF (meaning the MSM). Their polls, projections, and pandering be damned. I’m not ready to give my country over to those who will destroy it. As Mark Levin says, we must push back the liberal hordes.


32 posted on 01/20/2008 4:10:47 AM PST by freedom4me (No compromise w/ the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact w/ unrepentant wrong. --Churchill)
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To: snippy_about_it

“You sound just like the media. Fred can win the south as soon as the media lets him speak.”

I’m sorry but Fred proved in SC that he couldn’t win the South. He had been in SC for 2 weeks and he covered the state speaking, and still only pulled 16% of the votes. If Fred was waiting for the MSM to “Let” him speak that’s why he got his clock cleaned.


33 posted on 01/20/2008 4:11:58 AM PST by snarkybob (')
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To: counterpunch

He ran one of the poorest national campaigns I have ever seen, given that he was supposed to be Reagan’s heir.

Just terrible.


34 posted on 01/20/2008 4:12:30 AM PST by kjo
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To: snippy_about_it

“What a stupid comment. If that was so, how did McCain who is what, 72, win SC.”

He’s a better speaker than Fred.


35 posted on 01/20/2008 4:13:10 AM PST by snarkybob (')
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To: Rock&RollRepublican
Mitt is not only energized.. he is a fresh face, a new spirit... a new approach toward GETTING THINGS DONE for America.

Mitt is the same ol same ol liberal horsecrap trying to pass as conservative. He is a flip floppin phlegm phlagm man with no prinicples whatsoever except to say and do whatever it takes to win. His foundation is built of sand. He is a little better than Hookerbee and Queeg.

Fred, on the other hand, is head and shoulders above Rudy McRomney, in every aspect that really matters, principle, integrity, morality, and honor, and of course, conservatism. And I find that very inspiring. The others can just go eff themselves. I am with Fred all the way as far as he wants to take this.

Go Fred Go!

36 posted on 01/20/2008 4:17:32 AM PST by HerrBlucher (Fred will crush the beast and send her back through the gates of hell.)
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To: kjo

“He ran one of the poorest national campaigns I have ever seen, given that he was supposed to be Reagan’s heir.”

I have to agree with you. The strange part is that when he officially entered the race he was in 2nd place nationally, and was polling pretty well. I think the problem was that he started pretty casually, and didn’t seem to ramp up till a couple of weeks before IA. when the polls showed him slipping. It went downhill fast from there. This is one of the most spectacular flameouts I’ve ever seen, rivaling even Howard Deans. One day he was there.....the next day he was gone.


37 posted on 01/20/2008 4:19:27 AM PST by snarkybob (')
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To: aj7360

“Of course, if Obama beats Hillary, then it all over as no Republican will beat him.”

You say thast only McCain can beat Hildabeat, and no one can beat Obambi. Thus, if McCain stumbles, yYou seem to be pretty much resigned to a marxist being elected president.

I am not that fearful...yet. I do not believe a majority of the American people have become so suicidal. Oh, 40% have; but not 50.1%


38 posted on 01/20/2008 4:29:50 AM PST by ought-six
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To: kjo
He ran one of the poorest national campaigns I have ever seen, given that he was supposed to be Reagan’s heir. Just terrible

I don't know if it was the poorest; however, it was pretty bad. He came to the party way too late and was largely ignored as a result (it's those first impressions).

39 posted on 01/20/2008 4:33:58 AM PST by pt17
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To: aj7360
In spite of what a lot of people around here think, I do believe that only McCain will be able to get enough independent and swing votes to BEAT HILLARY.

In spite of? :) That scenario might be viable if all of the conservative base voted for him as well.

But it will not

McCain prevailed in a fractured field against 3 or 4 strong candidates and he will not have that luxury against hillary.

Hillary will beat McCain like a drum.

40 posted on 01/20/2008 4:39:09 AM PST by bill1952 (The right to buy weapons is the right to be free)
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To: fortheDeclaration

After we melted their phones.


41 posted on 01/20/2008 4:39:43 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (ENERGY CRISIS made in Washington D. C.)
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To: Rock&RollRepublican

>his fresh approach to conservative ideas...

will ensure that he loses 34 states
The conservative base will fracture and he will lose BIG.


42 posted on 01/20/2008 4:42:21 AM PST by bill1952 (The right to buy weapons is the right to be free)
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To: ought-six

I do not believe a majority of the American people have become so suicidal.

Please be sitting down on Nov 5th.


43 posted on 01/20/2008 4:45:05 AM PST by bill1952 (The right to buy weapons is the right to be free)
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To: Rock&RollRepublican

Romney is no outsider.


44 posted on 01/20/2008 4:51:18 AM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (And close the damned borders!)
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To: snippy_about_it

Not stupid at all.

Fred looks is old, looks old and acts old. McCain is old but avoids the latter two.
(but you did live up to your name)


45 posted on 01/20/2008 5:09:50 AM PST by BunkDetector
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To: athelass

I don’t know that Fred would support McCain, just because they are friends. He says they differ on several main issues. I am a supporter, and I will be voting for him in the FL primaries, so I hope he pulls through there. If McCain loses FL to Giuliani and Fred finishes 2nd, that would be a big boost, and if he finished first there, that would be even better!

GO FRED!


46 posted on 01/20/2008 5:11:26 AM PST by Shery (in APO Land)
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To: counterpunch

“This is a gun show he just attended, if he can’t get votes from this crowd, in this state which is probably the most conservative state in the union probably, then his message just probably won’t play anywhere else,” said Baker.

I think their vote of McCain & Huckabee today clearly disspelled that honor (most conservative state in the union).

I’m seriously down...how are we going to stop McCain from rolling now? The votes of the american people have disappointed me.


47 posted on 01/20/2008 5:12:31 AM PST by GeorgiaDawg
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To: counterpunch

Don’t stop now, Fred, we just lost Hunter.

Thomspon is our last chance for a conservative to make it.


48 posted on 01/20/2008 5:14:30 AM PST by ovrtaxt (In my fantasy world, the Dems run a Zell Miller/ Lieberman ticket...)
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To: GeorgiaDawg

McCain will have front runner hung on him. The key to his temper is illegal immigration and this needs to be pounded. The MSM will carry his water on this issue until the general if he were to be the nominee. So it will be up to the people to arouse his distemper on this issue and we have time now till FL. Get his flip/flop on illegal immigration out there and arouse his anger and all the reasons he is unfit will come to light.

I’ve given $ to Fred, but even he violated my basic requirement of executive experience in the President. I have a unfavorable impression of Senators as it is.

Unfortunately I’m left with Romney and Jimmy Carter...


49 posted on 01/20/2008 5:18:40 AM PST by steveyp
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To: counterpunch
Fred’s time is about to come

Counterpunh, I love your enthusiasm for Fred and it is commendable, but we have been hearing this song and dance since September...even before when we thought he would get in July. The first debate was supposed to bump his campaign, then we had all those “white papers”, then it was the red truck, then it was some you tube videos, then it was another debate, then it was the south, now we are saying be patient for Florida? People just did not get excited about Fred outside of Free Republic and some other conservative websites. What is your feeling? He should win Tennessee, Alabama and Mississippi...other than that? I don’t know.

50 posted on 01/20/2008 5:20:07 AM PST by napscoordinator
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