Skip to comments.What's Next For Thompson?
Posted on 01/20/2008 2:27:30 AM PST by counterpunch
COLUMBIA, S.C.- John McCain was the winner of Saturday's South Carolina primary. Mike Huckabee came in second. Fred Thompson came in third, followed closely by Mitt Romney.
This is a victory that eluded McCain in 2000, and if history is a guide, may have set him on course to become the GOP presidential nominee. No Republican since 1980 has won the party's nod without a win in the first-in-the-South primary.
Saturday's primary loss was clearly a big disappointment for Fred Thompson, but you never would have picked up on that when you heard him speak to his supporters.
"Well, it may be a little early to declare victory, I am not sure," Thompson joked. "We told our folks to vote late, so they'll be trickling in I am sure."
So a lot of folks are now weighing in on Fred Thompson's political future. One political expert from Tennessee weighs in.
"I think he is through if he doesn't do well here, I think he has said so. Even a second place finish won't do," said Jackson Baker, Memphis Flyer.
"This is a gun show he just attended, if he can't get votes from this crowd, in this state which is probably the most conservative state in the union probably, then his message just probably won't play anywhere else," said Baker.
Thompson spent more time campaigning in South Carolina than anyone else. An army of Tennessee Volunteers also came through. They sent out a scripted message to undecided voters.
In South Carolina, apparently, Thompson's message did not catch on. Fred Thompson, however, was far from making any sort of statement about bowing out of the presidential race. Thompson returned home to Virginia Saturday night. His campaign most likely is regrouping, and gearing up for another big fight in the Florida Primary.
Fred has an important job to do still. He must keep the nomination far out of reach of Mike Huckabee. And he must bring the party together as the consensus conservative choice when no candidate comes up with enough delegates to win the nomination.
Keep on fighting Fred!
I sent a second contribution to Fred's campaign tonight. Whether or not Fred stays in the race... I got to put my money where my heart is.
I would not welcome such a development.
If Fred’s not steering the Ship of State, then the cabin boy must be.
I want the Captain at the wheel.
The campaign needs to retool. Got to figure out how to break Huck’s hold over the churches, and he’s going to have to enlist Giuliani and Romney as de facto allies. And everyone needs to pound McCain.
In spite of what a lot of people around here think, I do believe that only McCain will be able to get enough independent and swing votes to BEAT HILLARY.
Huckabee sure as hell can't do it. Neither can Mitt and I'm not sure about Rudy.
The mere thought of Bill Clinton living in the White House again is disgusting and depressing.
Of course, if Obama beats Hillary, then it all over as no Republican will beat him. But at least Bill won't be in the White House again.
So what do you guys make of everyone saying Fred will drop out after Florida and endorse McCain? McCain!! Makes no sense whatever to me. Would he do that?
Corner square on Hollywood Squares?
It’s people like you who make my packages arrive late.
This campaign is going to come down to Romney and McCain, with conservatives going to Romney.
Ofcourse, Rudy could do well in Florida and reenergize his campaign, but that only hurt McCain since they go for the same voters.
Huckabee doesn't have the money nor organization to keep going.
Thompson will drop as well.
Conservatives need to focus on getting good congressmen into office to keep a check on the Presidency.
Remember it was Congress, not the President, which stopped the Amnesty bill.
Everyone is saying that?
More like the Red October media that has been trying to torpedo his campaign since he got in, fuel by *uckabee’s whisper campaign of dirty tricks.
lol! Not me, I go to extremes everyday to take care of my customers. Have been for thirty years next week. However, there are those who don’t cater to the customer as seriously as I do. Mostly newer and younger employees who don’t understand the value of satisfied customers. Those types really irritate me, too.
History is not a SIMPLE guide!
It must be interpreted as somethings changed in the world,in US society,and on the political stage.
Then many parameters have to be taken into account to understand correctly the teachings of History.
How many and what kind of candidates were there in the 2000 primary elections on the Republican side?....As an example
This was a primary where most people voting were either independents or evangelicals.
Just have patience, Fred’s time is about to come, now that we’re finally getting to closed primaries with only Republicans voting and where pastors don’t hold sway over the voters.
“The Vice President spot is still up for grabs and who could play the part better than an actor?”
Everything is STILL UP for GRABS! NOTHING HAS BEEN DECIDED!
Do the churches in the south have that kind of herd mentality?
I just heard that Fred won Nevada!
Next election I'm voting for Bobby Jindal! If he can clean up Louisiana without joining the forces of corruption or getting caught in a scandal he will be in a very good position and have a great inspiring story to tell.
McCain will run the infamous "Dole" campaign of the country club Republican....with the same result. The fight for the White House ends with Thompson, at least for me.
“I just heard that Fred won Nevada!”
Romney won Nevada
“Romney won Nevada”.
Shucks! You’re right. I must have heard it wrong. Oh, well.
Conservatives WANT to like Fred.
We WANTED to believe he would be able to energize and solidify the Republican base, and lead us into a new era of strength, prosperity and conservative dominance.
But it's more than obvious that 85% of Republicans, or more, understand that Fred is too old looking and uninspiring (sorry for the crudeness).
More importantly, he is ALSO part of that Washington DC insider good ol' boy network which has caused so many problems for the GOP and America.
Same with McCain.
Only Huckabee and Romney are 'outsiders' and would thus bring in some fresh leadership ideas.
And Huckabee would be total disaster... and would destroy the GOP for decades.
Which is why so many of us are excited about Mitt Romney, his fresh face... his fresh approach to conservative ideas and promotion.
“More importantly, he is ALSO part of that Washington DC insider good ol’ boy network which has caused so many problems for the GOP and America.
Same with McCain.”
I think this was the main reason Fred didn’t ever really get going. He wasn’t able to draw any new supporters outside of the ones that were already for him. JMO but I think many people felt like he would just be an extension of GWBs administration and 4 more years of the same old same.
McCain is managing to side step some of this because of his reputation as a maverick. JMO again, but since the MSM never mentions McCains name without the Maverick thing thrown in, I think people have an idea that he will be a change candidate as well.
McCain, and Fred (unfortunately), are part of that good 'ol boy Washington DC network which has demoralized us and gotten the country into the funk its in.
The Republican Party needs a fresh face of conservative promotion.
The reason Bomb-o Abracka has been doing well (in part) is his outsider status, his fresh face.
Of course that amounts to a hill of beans if there is no message, which is why so many of us are excited and energized about Romney.
Mitt is not only energized.. he is a fresh face, a new spirit... a new approach toward GETTING THINGS DONE for America.
McCain and Fred, as much as I love Fred, are the same old same old and would bring us the same old result as Bob Dole.
You sound just like the media. Fred can win the south as soon as the media lets him speak.
I agree. Fred should stay in even if he has no chance of winning. He should be a voice, and a group of bargaining delegates, at the convention.
What a stupid comment. If that was so, how did McCain who is what, 72, win SC.
Im still for Fred. However; if he stays in the race, he needs to consult with the likes of Haley Barbour or Ed Gillespie for ideas to turn this around. Freds been running his campaign from the back of the bus. In this day and age, thats not going to cut it. He has to organize a grassroots army to go house-to-house, to man phone banks, to blanket neighborhoods with literature, etc. Ed Gillespie and Ken Mehlman (for that matter) understood this and helped propel W to victory in 2000 and 2004. W wouldnt have won either election without the well-organized, grassroots machine he had. Ed, Ken, and (Rove) had every house in every precinct on a BlackBerry and had a strategy to reach the people in that house.
Fred’s TV spots and a few bus stops weren’t enough to carry the day in South Carolina, nor will they be in any other state. The MSM is marginalizing Fred. All the more reason he needs a strong grassroots effort. Again, this takes organization.
I’m ready to sign up for a PITCHFORK REVOLUTION under the slogan TURN IT OFF (meaning the MSM). Their polls, projections, and pandering be damned. I’m not ready to give my country over to those who will destroy it. As Mark Levin says, we must push back the liberal hordes.
“You sound just like the media. Fred can win the south as soon as the media lets him speak.”
I’m sorry but Fred proved in SC that he couldn’t win the South. He had been in SC for 2 weeks and he covered the state speaking, and still only pulled 16% of the votes. If Fred was waiting for the MSM to “Let” him speak that’s why he got his clock cleaned.
He ran one of the poorest national campaigns I have ever seen, given that he was supposed to be Reagan’s heir.
“What a stupid comment. If that was so, how did McCain who is what, 72, win SC.”
He’s a better speaker than Fred.
Mitt is the same ol same ol liberal horsecrap trying to pass as conservative. He is a flip floppin phlegm phlagm man with no prinicples whatsoever except to say and do whatever it takes to win. His foundation is built of sand. He is a little better than Hookerbee and Queeg.
Fred, on the other hand, is head and shoulders above Rudy McRomney, in every aspect that really matters, principle, integrity, morality, and honor, and of course, conservatism. And I find that very inspiring. The others can just go eff themselves. I am with Fred all the way as far as he wants to take this.
Go Fred Go!
“He ran one of the poorest national campaigns I have ever seen, given that he was supposed to be Reagans heir.”
I have to agree with you. The strange part is that when he officially entered the race he was in 2nd place nationally, and was polling pretty well. I think the problem was that he started pretty casually, and didn’t seem to ramp up till a couple of weeks before IA. when the polls showed him slipping. It went downhill fast from there. This is one of the most spectacular flameouts I’ve ever seen, rivaling even Howard Deans. One day he was there.....the next day he was gone.
“Of course, if Obama beats Hillary, then it all over as no Republican will beat him.”
You say thast only McCain can beat Hildabeat, and no one can beat Obambi. Thus, if McCain stumbles, yYou seem to be pretty much resigned to a marxist being elected president.
I am not that fearful...yet. I do not believe a majority of the American people have become so suicidal. Oh, 40% have; but not 50.1%
I don't know if it was the poorest; however, it was pretty bad. He came to the party way too late and was largely ignored as a result (it's those first impressions).
In spite of? :) That scenario might be viable if all of the conservative base voted for him as well.
But it will not
McCain prevailed in a fractured field against 3 or 4 strong candidates and he will not have that luxury against hillary.
Hillary will beat McCain like a drum.
After we melted their phones.
>his fresh approach to conservative ideas...
will ensure that he loses 34 states
The conservative base will fracture and he will lose BIG.
I do not believe a majority of the American people have become so suicidal.
Please be sitting down on Nov 5th.
Romney is no outsider.
Not stupid at all.
Fred looks is old, looks old and acts old. McCain is old but avoids the latter two.
(but you did live up to your name)
I don’t know that Fred would support McCain, just because they are friends. He says they differ on several main issues. I am a supporter, and I will be voting for him in the FL primaries, so I hope he pulls through there. If McCain loses FL to Giuliani and Fred finishes 2nd, that would be a big boost, and if he finished first there, that would be even better!
“This is a gun show he just attended, if he can’t get votes from this crowd, in this state which is probably the most conservative state in the union probably, then his message just probably won’t play anywhere else,” said Baker.
I think their vote of McCain & Huckabee today clearly disspelled that honor (most conservative state in the union).
I’m seriously down...how are we going to stop McCain from rolling now? The votes of the american people have disappointed me.
Don’t stop now, Fred, we just lost Hunter.
Thomspon is our last chance for a conservative to make it.
McCain will have front runner hung on him. The key to his temper is illegal immigration and this needs to be pounded. The MSM will carry his water on this issue until the general if he were to be the nominee. So it will be up to the people to arouse his distemper on this issue and we have time now till FL. Get his flip/flop on illegal immigration out there and arouse his anger and all the reasons he is unfit will come to light.
I’ve given $ to Fred, but even he violated my basic requirement of executive experience in the President. I have a unfavorable impression of Senators as it is.
Unfortunately I’m left with Romney and Jimmy Carter...
Counterpunh, I love your enthusiasm for Fred and it is commendable, but we have been hearing this song and dance since September...even before when we thought he would get in July. The first debate was supposed to bump his campaign, then we had all those “white papers”, then it was the red truck, then it was some you tube videos, then it was another debate, then it was the south, now we are saying be patient for Florida? People just did not get excited about Fred outside of Free Republic and some other conservative websites. What is your feeling? He should win Tennessee, Alabama and Mississippi...other than that? I don’t know.