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Once a role player, Patriots' Wes Welker now a budding star
ESPN.com ^ | 1.28.2008 | Elizabeth Merrill

Posted on 01/28/2008 5:38:11 AM PST by TexasNative2000

OKLAHOMA CITY -- She went to her bedroom and cried that night, not because of what the man said but because she knew the whole world was wrong. One hundred and five faxes, 104 "no"s, and it was about to end there, on a harsh winter day, when Wes Welker sat at a long table at the University of Tulsa. All he wanted was a scholarship.

If you sign Wes, his mama said, you won't be sorry. If you sign Wes, he'll change your program. The coach turned to Shelley Welker and sized up her 5-foot-9 son.

"Well, my mother would like me to be head coach of the Dallas Cowboys," Keith Burns told her. "But that isn't going to happen."

This is not a story about a little man playing on the world's biggest stage. That's too cliché. It is about doors. The glass front door at the Welker home is open late Wednesday afternoon, and Wes' chocolate Lab, Nash, is lounging in the backyard. It is not a coincidence that he named the dog after Suns point guard Steve Nash, who also happens to knock around in a 180-pound body.

It is not a surprise that everyone in the Welker home has a problem sitting still. Every five minutes or so, Leland, Wes' dad, stands up and asks his guests whether they need anything to drink. He's got Coke, Coke Zero, diet, milk, water. Are you sure you don't want to try the Coke Zero?

He finally sits back down and eyes a magazine on the table that has Welker's stubbled, GQ face on the cover. It's almost too East Coast for Wes.

"It's been hard for us to talk," Leland says in a soft Oklahoma twang. "I feel like we're bragging about our kids. I hope I'm not coming across as overbearing."

They'd prefer to be low-key because that's the way Welker has been throughout his career. It's impossible now. Nine years after college football shunned him, four years after the Chargers cut him, Welker is a mega star headed for the Super Bowl with New England.

He is a perfect fit, finally, in a world that measures itself with tapes, scales and 40-yard dashes. He is a big reason the Patriots are 18-0 and flirting with NFL history.

And none of it would have happened if Welker had accepted one no.

"We tried to teach that, to run after your dreams, don't let people tell you no," Shelley says.

"That's why it's such a great story. When one door would close, another one would open."

A car door opened, and Wes Welker eyeballed his first challenge. He was 2, maybe 3 days old and meeting his big brother, Lee, for the first time. Lee raised his 4-year-old fingers and pinched Wes in the nose. Hard.

"You can't do that!" Shelley said.

Lee was just tweaking him, which became sort of a childhood hobby. Big boy kicks little boy's butt in soccer. Little boy gets clobbered in football. Big boy's mom asks him to go easy.

"Are you kidding me?" Lee says. "I would never, never let him win. And he had to get used to it. Either he was going to have to quit playing the sport of football or soccer or whatever he happened to be playing that day, or he had to get better and tougher."

Lee was actually the tame one in the family. Wes was 2½ when he climbed his first tree and sat on the roof until Leland pulled in from work. Incredible balance, unlimited energy. "Hell on wheels from the get-go," Leland says.

When Welker reached high school at Heritage Hall, a private college prep school that oozes manners, he was both exasperating and entertaining. He'd play offense, defense and special teams in practice, then dive to the line on wind sprints because no sir, he was not going to be beat.

He'd vomit at least every other week during a game. Coach Rod Warner still has it on film. See Wes run 50 yards for a touchdown, charge back onto the field to kick the extra point, then turn and ask for a minute so he can throw up on the 10-yard line.

"It wasn't nerves," Warner says. "He just pushed his body so hard.

"The people in the stands would just start applauding. He gave it all every single drill, every sprint, every play."

He became a legend in the red Oklahoma clay. Before Welker, Heritage Hall had just one 10-win season in 30 years. It has averaged 11 wins a year since. Welker led them to a state championship as a junior and scored 24 points a game as a senior … in football.

And when he was named the state's Gatorade Player of the Year, his followers assumed he was headed for the big time. They didn't know prototypes. Being 5-9 was one thing. Being 5-9 with a 4.55 40-yard dash is enough to make you recruiting repellent.

The weekend before letter-of-intent day, Warner sent out 105 faxes. "This kid is still available," he said, "if anyone is interested."

He called Tommy McVay, an old friend who was working at Texas Tech.

"Tommy, he's the best player I've ever coached."

Everybody says that, McVay said.

But Tech coach Mike Leach, a spread-offense guru known around Big 12 circles as the mad scientist, tried to open his mind as he popped in the video.

"You go through the internal debate the whole time," Leach says. "Wow, he's just a little too small, ooh, he's a little too slow … oh, he plays both sides of the ball?"

Welker flew to Lubbock after signing day while Leland and Shelley followed by car. Something felt right, she'd say. Like Wes was meant to be there.

Within weeks after school started, the Tech coaches were calling Welker "The Natural."

"Everybody," Leach says, "seemed to feel like he could do anything."

As Welker's numbers exploded and the legend grew, people outside of Lubbock, Texas, wanted to know more about his will. He didn't get his tenacity as the son of an oil-rig worker whose family ate when it could. His dad was an engineer for Southwestern Bell.

He never was one for much introspection. Wasn't much time for it. But he could flip from game-day serious to prankster, leaving fake dog poo at shopping malls just to watch people laugh.

"I remember when they brought him in, he was 5-7 and very unassuming," says former Red Raiders quarterback Kliff Kingsbury. "I thought he looked like a frat guy. We're offering this kid a scholarship? Definitely on looks, he didn't pass the test. But on the field, he was an unbelievable kid."

Within a few months, Welker was in the starting lineup as a true freshman. In four years, he caught 259 passes for 3,019 yards and 21 touchdowns. His eight career punt-return touchdowns still tie an NCAA record. He played most of his senior year with turf toe, an injury so painful Welker hobbled around campus in a protective boot on the off days.

Nobody, it seemed, could get a hard shot on him. Part of it had to do with his size and a low center of gravity. Much of it had to do with his shiftiness. Although Leach considers hailing the merits of soccer as sacrilege, he figures Welker got his coordination, horizontal movement and vision from the round version of football.

Welker figured heavily into every opponents' scouting report, and when he graduated from Texas Tech in 3½ years with a business degree, he was certain he was headed to the NFL.

The NFL combine came, and Welker wasn't invited. In hindsight, his supporters say, maybe that was better. They couldn't put a tape and a stopwatch to him. Forty freaking yard dashes? In football, who runs in a straight line, anyway?

But the Welkers held two days of draft parties in 2004, and the house grew silent when the final pick was named.

If this doesn't work out, Warner told him, there are other …

"Don't even go there, Coach," Welker told Warner. "I'm going to make it in the NFL. There's no other option."

The Chargers kept him through training camp, and Welker thought that meant he was safe. They cut him after the first game. One friend says Welker is "massively pissed off" at San Diego to this day, although Welker has never publicly suggested that.

He quickly moved on to Miami, and a month later, Welker became just the second player in NFL history to return a kickoff and a punt, kick a field goal and an extra point, and make a tackle in one game. He did it against the Patriots and a coach who just happens to love that kind of throwback versatility. The Patriots churned on; the Dolphins continued their stumble.

Few people noticed that Welker was evolving into a go-to receiver. He led the Dolphins with 67 catches in 2006. The Super Bowl was held in Miami a few months later, and Warner went to South Beach that week to hang with Welker.

They sat at breakfast, the Monday after the Colts beat Chicago, and Welker asked whether his coach ever wanted to go to another Super Bowl.

"Wes, the next Super Bowl I'll go to is the one you're playing in," Warner said.

That might be a while in Miami, Welker said.

Two months later, Warner's cell phone rang at 1 a.m. Welker had just been traded to the Patriots.

"You know that conversation we had at the Super Bowl?" Welker asked Warner.

"Did you ever think it might be this year?"

He is so perfect here, in the land of no-nonsense. Men with stern faces walk around with purpose, as if they're headed to the bank to open an IRA … minutes after they've won a playoff game. Welker quickly dresses after New England beats San Diego, the team that never gave him a chance, and heads for the door without talking to the media.

By Week 6, when the Patriots prepared for a superhyped game against Dallas, it was obvious that Welker, 26, was immersed in his surroundings. He'd gotten a text message from his brother, Lee. Big game coming up, huh? Wes texted back: They're all big.

Wes, the family joked, was turning into Bill Belichick.

A sampling of some recent Welker "sound bites":

When you did you feel you belonged in the NFL, Wes?

"I guess once I made the team."

What do you say about the Giants calling you guys a dirty team?

"It's their opinion about it, and we can only control what we can control."

But it's not so odd that an undersized frat boy from Oklahoma and a man who is viewed as one of the stuffiest coaches in the NFL could be kindred spirits. Belichick wants a team full of role players. Welker fought half his life just for a role.

And while defenses keyed on stopping Randy Moss, the 6-foot-4 superstar receiver whose offseason signing overshadowed all other arrivals, Welker had a franchise-record 112 catches.

"Perfect place, the perfect situation for him," says veteran running back Kevin Faulk. "I told him when he first got here that he couldn't have come to an offense that was better for him, that fits his ability and what he does as a receiver."

A whiff of hamburger grease fills the aisles at the Nichols Hills pharmacy just before closing time, and Jay Black is about to cut the lights. His dad started the business in 1963, and it seems time, in this patch of a strip mall, has frozen there. Past the miniature metal stools and the retro napkin holders is a soda fountain and a rack of Groucho Marx DVDs for $2.99.

Welker used to ride his bike here as a kid, load up on hamburgers and chili, and charge the food to his parents. All the little kids did it. When big Wes comes back now, he'll order his $3.50 hamburger and have the same ladies behind the same counter bill it to his dad. The Welkers get a kick out of that.

"It wasn't really a big deal when he was coming in here," Black says. "We knew he was a good ballplayer. But he didn't necessarily stick out over the rest of the kids."

In this suddenly perfect world, he doesn't need to. They pray for him a few blocks up the road, in the Welker home, that he'll be safe among 300-pounders and 6-foot-3 burners who belong in the league.

Here, they always believed Wes belonged, too.

"It was all part of God's plan, and we know that," Shelley says. "It worked out just like it was supposed to."


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To: Bigoleelephant

I believe the Pats acquired Wes last year in March or April. Thus the Fishy one is busted.


61 posted on 01/28/2008 2:19:31 PM PST by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Even my tagline is sad....I can't stand ANY of the candidates!)
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA

I thought that was the case. I find it quite hard for someone to sell his soul in a situation that hasn’t even happened yet.


62 posted on 01/28/2008 2:28:20 PM PST by Bigoleelephant (Lawyers are to America what lead was to Rome.)
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To: Bigoleelephant; WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
I never said that Wes Welker wasn't an awesome player. I could have been more definitive in that statement. Welker wasn't worth a good deal of money (meaning the Patriots* could get him for a song) because he hadn't blossomed as the star that he is now due to the fact that the Dolphins don't have the offense or the QB that could get the ball to him. The league is full of incredibly talented atheletes who never reach their potential because they are not supported by highly talented teammates and coaches. Of course, their teams weren't picking up the other team's signals illegally either... And yes, I believe the Patriots* are still cheating. The NFL has already proven to them that they won't take away the wins and that leaves no incentive to play it straight. Belichick* gets payed to win football games, period. The heck with draft choices and cash, those things you can work around. Until they start taking wins away, the cheating will continue. The same could be said in any sport. (Thinking NASCAR here)

And, by the way, the Patriots* were not one of the best teams in the league before Welker's arrival. They lost in the playoffs the last two seasons and they went out and found Welker and Moss. Two of the three main keys to their ultimate success this season.

Welker is certainly worth a whole lot more than he was when the Patriots* picked him up. Credit that to the Patriots* fitting him into an offensive scheme that best utilizes his talents.

Unfortunately for him, he landed in a now heavily tainted organization that puts winning above the rules of the game. Welker, I'm sure wasn't aware of the cheating that was going on last year before he joined the team (although there were quite a few teams who were suspicious and according to what I have seen and read, it does go back beyond last year such that even Charlie Weis could share a little insight into the matter. And that, BTW, is highly disappointing to this long-time Notre Dame football fan) but Welker AND Moss did have a good idea what was going on from the moment they picked up their playbooks and into the start of the year. That is guaranteed.

I played the game myself and as an offensive starter, if you have half a brain, you would know something was up. Everybody has a role to play. They may not know what everybody else's role is in the scheme but they have their own role. To believe otherwise is to believe that Wes Welker is a total idiot and was totally oblivious to what was going on around him. I give Welker a little more credit than that. Hell, even the kicker knows what they are doing. He's there, he starts questioning how they can call the perfect play in any situation, how they "seem" to know every single time the blitz is coming, etc... The sports press and Patriots* fans tries to sell the line that it's just coaches that were involved and the players are completely oblivious and that is complete an utter nonsense.

As for the records? The kicking and returning kicks "record" speaks to his abilities as an athelete. His job on the field was to return kicks, that's a given. He fell into the kicking duties in a game where their kicker was not available and he was able to step in and perform. That's awesome! That's something he can tell his grandkids about. But that's not a "record" as much as it is a "feat". Players are not actively trying to break that "record". A team does not draft a kicker/kick returner. The fact that Welker had a Dolphin record for returning kickoffs speaks well about his durability because the Dolphins were receiving an awful lot of kickoffs. I'll spell it out for you: The Dolphins have been the worst they have ever been the past few seasons and they were giving up a lot more touchdowns and field goals than they ever have. And what do they do after they give up a touchdown or field goal? The other team kicks the ball off to them! You see how that works?

And as for Welker's shared receiving record. That was this season, after the Patriots* picked him up at a bargain basement price. Now, the trick is to re-sign Welker. That contract will definitely prove to be a lot more costly to the Patriots* this time around.

63 posted on 01/29/2008 6:10:25 AM PST by FishTale
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To: FishTale
Ah the asterisk. Nice - I too agree the Pats record is tainted; for of course all the teams they beat were too stupid to change their signals after New England got caught with tape on their hands very early in the season. Until they finally play & beat a smart team, let's let 'em have it with punctuation, brother!
64 posted on 01/29/2008 6:14:44 AM PST by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: FishTale
Oh my God - according to you, first Welker wasn't worth the money, then he's an awesome player. He sold his soul, then probably didn't know what was going on. You're full of it buddy.

I especially love how you keep saying the Pats cheat, then point out that they didn't win.... they must be really bad cheaters, huh?

And for the record, yeah I believe they cheated too - that isn't the topic here - This was a thread about a good kid who finally got a chance to show his talent and you crapped all over the thread. Thanks a lot.

65 posted on 01/29/2008 6:42:27 AM PST by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Even my tagline is sad....I can't stand ANY of the candidates!)
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
He IS an awesome player. But he hadn't proven himself or reached his potential until he got to the Patriots*. In fact, he may be still climbing. But at the time, the Patriots* offered him what they thought he was worth to them financially.

I also allowed for him maybe not knowing what he was getting himself into but I had reservations about whether he really was oblivious due to the fact that many teams around the league, as it has come out, were aware of what the Patriots* were up to and Welker is far from being a total idiot.

He wanted the best opportunity for a Championship as does everybody. Whether he was aware before he signed the dotted line or not, he went to a team that was caught cheating. He is now a member of a team that will be known for cheating. You win as a team and you lose as a team.

I pointed out the fact that the Patriots* lost in the last two playoffs and that Welker was one of the keys to their success this season. That doesn't mean the Patriots* were not cheating in those past two seasons. You are incredibly naive to think that the act of cheating will gaurantee a win. You still need to field a quality team and they still need to strap on the pads.

66 posted on 01/29/2008 7:20:08 AM PST by FishTale
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To: FishTale

I find it interesting that the ‘72 Dolpins had a very similar receiver, Howard Twilly, as Welker. Interesting that Twilly came out of a similar college system, Tulsa and Glenn Dobbs, as Texas Tech and Mike Leach.


67 posted on 01/29/2008 7:41:58 AM PST by DaveArk
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To: FishTale
as an offensive starter

That part at least is true. Shame there's no 'stopper' to compliment that.

68 posted on 01/29/2008 7:47:01 AM PST by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: DaveArk

Twilly = Twilley


69 posted on 01/29/2008 7:49:50 AM PST by DaveArk
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To: FishTale
I stopped reading here:

And, by the way, the Patriots* were not one of the best teams in the league before Welker's arrival.

The Patriots won their division in 2001, 2003, 2004, 2005 and 2006. They won the conference and Super Bowl in 2001, 2003 and 2004. If that doesn't constitute one of the best teams in football, I don't know what does.

I lied though. I did keep reading your post and after doing so I should have stuck with my original thought.

You say you played the game? Was it before helmets?

70 posted on 01/29/2008 7:53:30 AM PST by Bigoleelephant (Lawyers are to America what lead was to Rome.)
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To: Bigoleelephant
"If that doesn't constitute one of the best teams in football, I don't know what does."

As has been suggested by more than a few NFL pundits. The 2006 Patriots* would not have beaten the Chargers in this year's AFC Championship game. The 2006 Patriots* would never have gone undefeated this year. They were starting to slide backward. They were not the quality team that they had been in the past. They needed help last year. Keep in mind, this year, despite all the injuries and despite Norv Turner, the Chargers were still in the game against this year's "greatest team ever".

Last year, when things needed fixing, they had to go find some players and they were fortunate enough to get two very good deals on players who were flying somewhat under the radar. Moss was not really "under" the radar but was considered a locker room pariah and not too many teams were willing to take that gamble and Welker was a relative unknown who fit perfectly into their offensive scheme. The difference between starting to slide out of contention last year and their success this year was the acquisition of Welker and Moss.

"The Patriots won their division in 2001, 2003, 2004, 2005 and 2006."

LOL! But the biggest laugh of the day is that you think that winning the AFC East is an accomplishment?! HAH! That's a given every year, look at the rest of the division. Buffalo, the Jets and Miami... They start the season off with 6 wins in their pocket.

"They won the conference and Super Bowl in 2001, 2003 and 2004. If that doesn't constitute one of the best teams in football, I don't know what does."

Now, also by trying to understand your reasoning, we're obviously taking it to the extreme, but the Patriots*, you say, were still one of the best teams in the NFL in the 2002 season (they didn't even make the playoffs) because they won the Super Bowl in both 2001 and 2003?!

The point being that even the Patriots* know that they can't relax on past success. They have to identify their weaknesses and fix them year in and year out. Last year they were not one of the best teams, this year they are the best so far.

71 posted on 01/29/2008 8:55:58 AM PST by FishTale
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To: stevio
Watching him in the playoffs, the guy is always open when the ball comes his way. It’s amazing.

It's because defenses can't double-cover everybody and when you're mates in the receiving corps are Randy Moss and Dante Stallworth, it creates a lot of open space.

That said, Welker is a great player. Killed my Eagles almost single-handedly this year.
72 posted on 01/29/2008 9:28:48 AM PST by Antoninus (All you Mittens out there are going to feel like Flippers come November...)
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To: FishTale
Yea, right. My post is the biggest laugh of the day.

Now, also by trying to understand your reasoning, we're obviously taking it to the extreme, but the Patriots*, you say, were still one of the best teams in the NFL in the 2002 season (they didn't even make the playoffs) because they won the Super Bowl in both 2001 and 2003?!

If we take all of these years into account which you have done, over the course of 6 years the Patriots are one of the best teams in football, if not the best. If as you say my logic is flawed then let's just take 2006. They were in the AFC Championship game and lost. Only 4 out of 31 teams can say they were in a championship game that year. That wouldn't be considered one of the best? SO, if you take all 6 years as a whole, 3 super bowls. If you take just one year, 2006, AFC Championship. I defy you to show me anyone who wouldn't say that is one of the best.

My goodness dude. It's obvious you have an axe to grind with the Patriots* and it seems to be effecting your mental capcatity. I say that assuming before you started putting asterisks by NFL teams you weren't a babbling idiot.

73 posted on 01/29/2008 9:55:06 AM PST by Bigoleelephant (Lawyers are to America what lead was to Rome.)
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To: Bigoleelephant
Crude childish comments aside, yours was a nice try but you were the one lumping all the years together and when that's the case, I agree with you (as long as the asterisk is firmly in place). But I was taking each year individually to determine who are the best teams for that particular season.

That point, which you apparently missed, was to point out that the Patriots* were not the Super Bowl quality team that they had hoped to be in 2006 so they identified where they needed help and they went out and found that help. Last year's team was missing a cylinder. Welker and Moss were the solution and the Patriots* should get credit for finding a relatively obscure player in Welker and giving him the opportunity to show what he is capable of doing. That is not saying that Welker was not a good player, he is very good. But the Patriots* payed him what he was worth to them at that point in time. Welker, through hard work and determination, proved that he's worth that and a whole lot more.

Unfortunately for him, he's still part of a team that was caught cheating and to have supposed conservatives and people of such supposedly high moral standards on this site railing against the Democrats and the Clintons yet defending Belichick* and his team is pretty sad and quite ironic.

74 posted on 01/29/2008 11:10:37 AM PST by FishTale
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To: FishTale
In case you've forgotten, my whole point was defending the Patriots as being one of the best teams in football. Not the best just one of them. I never said anything about a Super Bowl. I said one of the best teams. So let's take the year individually as you did. I said they were one of the best teams in football. The time frame was heading into the 2007 season. In 2006, which is the season before the 2007 one, they were in the AFC Championship game. How is being one of the last 4 teams standing not one of the best?

Your point has changed multiple times so how am I supposed to keep track of them all?

And assuming that I am defending Belichick(sp) is your final gaffe. Please show me once where I defended him? I have been debating your comments about Welker selling his soul which turned into semantics about the Patriots and their standing in the NFL which then turned into the Patriots not being the Super Bowl quality team that they had hoped to be in 2006 so they identified where they needed help and they went out and found that help.

So how did Welker sell his soul when he was traded to the Patriots before they were caught cheating? The original point had nothing to do with how good Welker was only that he sold his soul.

75 posted on 01/29/2008 11:41:42 AM PST by Bigoleelephant (Lawyers are to America what lead was to Rome.)
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To: Bigoleelephant
"And assuming that I am defending Belichick(sp) is your final gaffe. Please show me once where I defended him?"

Show me once where I assumed that you were defending Belichick.

In addition to being a now big-time football star, Welker is also a grown man and he has the power to make his own decisions both before AND after the scandal was known to the public. He, along with the rest of the team knew what was happening before they were caught. With this particular coach and organization, glory comes at a cost of the collective integrity of the team as well as the individual integrity of each man (selling your soul). You win as a team, you lose as a team. But you are still a member of that team for good or bad.

After they were caught? Not only did he or any other player speak out or distancing themselves from their cheating leader but they, as a team, decided to stick it in everybody's face by rallying around and blindly defending their coach. Sounds like a certain former President and his Democratic Congress. To a man, each individual member of that team lost their integrity and any due respect. Welker decided that his glorious opportunity was much more important to him than his own integrity or the integrity of the game.

76 posted on 01/29/2008 12:32:20 PM PST by FishTale
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To: FishTale
Unfortunately for him, he's still part of a team that was caught cheating and to have supposed conservatives and people of such supposedly high moral standards on this site railing against the Democrats and the Clintons yet defending Belichick* and his team is pretty sad and quite ironic.

Silly me for having thought this statement was directed at me when any intelligent person would have known you were just pontificating. Please pardon my ignorance.

You win. You win. My head hearts from all the "it depends on what the definition of is is" logic here.

I'm done.

77 posted on 01/29/2008 12:52:50 PM PST by Bigoleelephant (Lawyers are to America what lead was to Rome.)
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To: FishTale
Let me try this one more time Fishtale - I am not naive about the Patriots, I was replying to your comments because you say one thing, then say the opposite on this thread. You said Wes Welker sold his soul, then said maybe he didn't know the team had cheated prior to signing. That is the complete opposite of your initial statement about the man.

You have made several statements, then stated the opposite. You are either embarrassed to have made the statements originally since you were proven to be wrong, or you can't remember what you wrote. Either way, you still made a pathetic attempt to smear the name of Wes Welker and he doesn't deserve what you did on this thread.

78 posted on 01/29/2008 2:15:43 PM PST by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Even my tagline is sad....I can't stand ANY of the candidates!)
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA

Actually Wes totally deserves Fishtale: when idiot’s aren’t on your side, you’ve picked the right side ;)


79 posted on 01/29/2008 4:49:58 PM PST by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
"You said Wes Welker sold his soul, then said maybe he didn't know the team had cheated prior to signing. That is the complete opposite of your initial statement about the man."

Read again. I allowed for the possibility that he was not aware of what he was getting into though I, myself, am quite skeptical. Either way you look at it, he, along with the other players on the team, knew what they had when they started training camp and they decided then that cheating and a Super Bowl championship were more important than their integrity and the integrity of the game. And THAT, like it or not, is selling your soul.

I am not at all embarrassed by my position and I firmly stand by my statements. Try and justify it all you want. Bottom line is that you win as a team, you lose as a team and you cheat as a team. You can't pick one or two guys out of the team and say okay, this guy isn't a cheater because he went to my favorite college or he's a hometown hero and he sure had a hard time making it to the big time and besides, he's awfully cute... but his team and his coach sure cheated! Talk about saying one thing and then saying the opposite. You may be able to justify cheating because of some personal feelings toward an individual involved but it's still cheating.

80 posted on 01/30/2008 5:14:43 AM PST by FishTale
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