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"Tipping point" on horizon for Greenland ice
Reuters on Yahoo ^ | 2/4/08 | Alister Doyle

Posted on 02/04/2008 4:55:40 PM PST by NormsRevenge

OSLO (Reuters) - Global warming this century could trigger a runaway thaw of Greenland's ice sheet and other abrupt shifts such as a dieback of the Amazon rainforest, scientists said on Monday.

They urged governments to be more aware of "tipping points" in nature, tiny shifts that can bring big and almost always damaging changes such as a melt of Arctic summer sea ice or a collapse of the Indian monsoon.

"Society may be lulled into a false sense of security by smooth projections of global change," the scientists at British, German and U.S. institutes wrote in a report saying there were many little-understood thresholds in nature.

"The greatest and clearest threat is to the Arctic with summer sea ice loss likely to occur long before, and potentially contribute to, Greenland ice sheet melt," they wrote in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

"Tipping elements in the tropics, the boreal zone, and west Antarctica are surrounded by large uncertainty," they wrote, pointing to more potential abrupt shifts than seen in a 2007 report by the U.N. Climate Panel.

A projected drying of the Amazon basin, linked both to logging and to global warming, could set off a dieback of the rainforest.

"Many of these tipping points could be closer than we thought," lead author Timothy Lenton, of the University of East Anglia in England, told Reuters of the study.

Other sudden changes linked to climate change, stoked by human use of fossil fuels, included a dieback of northern pine forests, or a stronger warming of the Pacific under El Nino weather events that can disrupt weather worldwide, they wrote.

A possible greening of parts of the Sahel and the Sahara, if monsoon rains in West Africa were disrupted, was one of the few positive abrupt shifts identified by the scientists.

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Even a moderate warming could set off a thaw of Greenland's ice sheet that could then vanish in 300 years -- raising sea levels by 6 meters (20 ft), or 2 meters a century and threatening coasts, Pacific islands and cities from Bangkok to Buenos Aires.

The U.N. Climate Panel foresees a rise in world sea levels ranging up to about 80 cms this century and reckons that a thaw of Greenland would take hundreds of years longer.

The new study said a disappearance of Arctic sea ice in summertime could happen in coming decades -- earlier than projected by the U.N. panel. That could stoke further global warming as dark water soaks up more heat than ice and snow.

The report also identified risks such as damage to northern pine forests -- widely exploited by the pulp industry -- because of factors such as more frequent fires and vulnerability to pests in warmer, drier conditions.

But it played down some other fears, such as of a runaway melt of Siberian permafrost, releasing stores of methane which is a powerful greenhouse gas.

And it said a shutdown of the Gulf Stream in the Atlantic Ocean that brings warm water north to Europe "appears to be a less immediate threat."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: greeeeeenland; greenland; horizon; qattaracanal; tippingpoint
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1 posted on 02/04/2008 4:55:41 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge
Does not look good.


2 posted on 02/04/2008 4:58:28 PM PST by andyandval
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To: NormsRevenge

And the solution is to give all money and power to “Manbearpig”!


3 posted on 02/04/2008 4:58:32 PM PST by dynachrome (Immigration without assimilation means the death of this nation~Captainpaintball)
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To: NormsRevenge


Qattara Depression

If Greenland melted down completely, 88% of the excess water produced could be contained by flooding the uninhabited Qatarra Depression in northwest Egypt, producing thousands of miles of valuable lakefront property, generating electrical power as water flowed from the Medditerranean to the depression and potentially turning much of the surrounding Sahara Desert into arable land.

It took Greenland 18,000 years to accumulate as much ice as it has now. How long do you think it will take it to melt?

If this scare scenario is for real, why aren't any of them talking about digging the ditch?

4 posted on 02/04/2008 5:01:28 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: NormsRevenge

Have no fear, the Goracle will save us. /sarcasm


5 posted on 02/04/2008 5:01:52 PM PST by rdl6989
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To: dynachrome
When the ice melts I will send them tomato seeds to plant.
6 posted on 02/04/2008 5:02:44 PM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: NormsRevenge

Pray tell how the polar bears made it through all the other climate cycles for the last several millions of years????

Libtards love to give away all your money, and worry about things they have no control of, but would like for you to believe they can contol you!


7 posted on 02/04/2008 5:03:08 PM PST by texson66 ("Tyranny is yielding to the lust of the governing." - Lord Moulton)
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To: NormsRevenge

For a moment I thought this was and article about frat-initiation cow tipping in Greenland.


8 posted on 02/04/2008 5:04:14 PM PST by rod1 (uestion)
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To: NormsRevenge
Many of these tipping points could be closer than we thought," lead author Timothy Lenton, of the University of East Anglia in England, told Reuters of the study

One marker for the fact you're dealing wih an unethical huckster of junk-science is the readiness to traffic in drug-store paperback cliches as if they mean something.

"Tipping points" is one recent addition to the phoney baloney pseudo-intellectual lexicon.

9 posted on 02/04/2008 5:05:04 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: NormsRevenge
“...wrote in a report saying there were many little-understood thresholds in nature.”

that is an understatement - however, prior to the advent of this UN/Gore hysteria scientists used to teach that there are cycles and rhythms to nature both climate, biological and other areas. I still do believe these things are part of that cycling and rhythmical sequence.

10 posted on 02/04/2008 5:05:37 PM PST by elpadre
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To: NormsRevenge
The reporters are too clueless to notice. But these academic wh*res should have noticed that the Artic Ice is nearly back to the most it ever has been, in the last century. Same with Greenland.

Lies only last as long as the public are not paying attention. Of late, the public IS paying more attention. And, the press is getting a deservedly tarnished reputation.

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11 posted on 02/04/2008 5:05:51 PM PST by Congressman Billybob (www.ArmorforCongress.com)
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To: NormsRevenge

The magnetic poles shifting into Siberia has not been mentioned in this article. The Sun’s increased out put will never be mentioned. I guess people do these things to the solar system. I fart and the Sun makes it hotter so run your hydrogen vehicle on a system that requires fossil fuels to make the hydrogen. Weren’t we all supposed to have personal airplanes by now? This is 2008 after all.


12 posted on 02/04/2008 5:09:04 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: NormsRevenge
From the article:
could trigger
almost always damaging
likely to occur
potentially contribute
surrounded by large uncertainty
could set off
projected drying
could be closer
can disrupt
possible greening
could set off
that could then
foresees a rise
ranging up to
reckons that
could happen
could stoke

That's a lot of loony liberal hedging. And monkeys could fly out their...
13 posted on 02/04/2008 5:10:46 PM PST by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: NormsRevenge

Good god, this reads like a stupid psychic reading rather than a science article. Tipping points, thresholds, blah blah blah yada yada yada. Sounds like astrology.


14 posted on 02/04/2008 5:10:48 PM PST by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to protect it.)
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To: NormsRevenge

I worry about the “Tipping Point” for these peoples logic. The point where up becomes down and left becomes right. Ultimately evil becomes good.


15 posted on 02/04/2008 5:14:53 PM PST by MtnClimber ("Bullfighting, Mountain Climbing and Auto-Racing are the only real sports. Everything else are merel)
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To: NormsRevenge
Even a moderate warming could set off a thaw of Greenland's ice sheet that could then vanish in 300 years -- raising sea levels by 6 meters (20 ft), or 2 meters a century and threatening coasts, Pacific islands and cities from Bangkok to Buenos Aires.

We have made INCREDIBLE progress in the last year. Just a year ago, it was gonna melt by 2100. We added 200 years to the destruction of the earth. Let's party!

16 posted on 02/04/2008 5:19:53 PM PST by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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To: socialismisinsidious

Monkeys flying out of their rear would be far more probable.


17 posted on 02/04/2008 5:20:55 PM PST by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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To: NormsRevenge
You mean Greenland will go back to way the it was when it was first settled many centuries ago: you know where people farmed and lived for generations before it got to damn cold.
The down side is what?
18 posted on 02/04/2008 5:22:46 PM PST by svcw (The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Global warming which will reduce the mass of the polar caps, will change the dynamics of the earth's rotation. We will wobble off our axis, perhaps even reversing the earth's magnetic polarity or causing us to even spin out of our orbit.

QUESTION FOR ALGORE: How can we handle our wobbly axis? Are wobble credits available?

19 posted on 02/04/2008 5:27:03 PM PST by Rapscallion (How do you handle a wobbly axis without LYAO?)
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To: NormsRevenge
Tipping points used to at least contain a positive feedback loop (e.g. warming creating greenhouse gas, creating warming). Now tipping points are all feelings and no models or quantities at all. So all the arctic ice melts and ocean is darker, how are they modeling the corresponding changes in clouds? Ans: they aren't, they are just whining. See my article on tipping points: http://powerproxy.com/gw/myths.html#tippingpoint
20 posted on 02/04/2008 5:33:08 PM PST by palmer
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