Posted on 02/08/2008 11:15:39 AM PST by 84rules
Does anyone here understand why Jorge Bush won two elections? It wasn’t because voters thought it out and voted conservative against liberal. Bush was a more likeable fellow than Al Gore or John Kerry. The picture of John Kerry windsurfing in spandex by himself far out in some bay tells the whole story. Jorge Bush likes to ride around in his pick-up shooting the breeze with like minded friends. The American people like a guy like Bush better than a guy like Kerry. If Hillary wins, McCain has a chance. But if Obama gets the nomination, McCain is dead meat. Obama just comes off as a more likeable fellow than McCain. And he is younger too. The politics will make little difference to the swing voters in swing states who will choose Obama over McCain who lists his leisure activities as networking with colleagues (translated Let’s Make A Deal and sell some conservatives down the river). McCain could have every conservative vote in the country and still will not beat Obama because of his temperament and his age. I am a conservative in a very very blue state and since we still (Thank God) have the electoral college, my vote doesn’t count for much. But it is swing voters in a very few swing states that win or lose in elections, the likeabililty of Jorge Bush got those votes and the arrogance of McCain will deny him those votes.
>”Everyone needs to remember that the House and Senate have become even more important now”<
Indeed.
The down ticket races are where we need to focus in order to have some measure of control over whatever creature inhabits the WH next Jan.
How about anger directed at the Republican Party by conservatives how didn't get their way?
I’m voting for the democrats, you just wait, so are alot of other, it’s pay day folks, in spades.
I’m a law student with not much time to look at FreeRepublic, but I decided to log in after class today and see the talk concerning McCain. There are many articles that make the presumption that conservatives should care about the Republican Party. I know I’m young and haven’t had a long experience with party politics, but it seems, since I became politically aware, the Republican Party has hardly represented my political sentiments. Among my conservative friends, there is much of the same perception. The arrogant party lackies wish to invoke some sort of loyalty/fear of Clinton or Obama to get out the vote. My question is simple. How long will people be inspired to vote for something that does not serve their interests.... even if it is better than the alternative. It’s time to separate the wheat from the chaff. I believe the Republicans might be improved with a defeat... perhaps, even better, a viable third party would materialize.
Your premise lacks certain pertinent content. The moderate would be the leader of the party and as such encounter only token opposition at best to his liberal/moderate efforts. With the media free to promote his bipartisan position shamelessly
The liberal would be in the opposition party and face determined opposition from the Republicans in Congress. The Media would promote the liberal but be burdened with the need to maintain at least a mask of impartiality.
Logically the liberal is less dangerous.
I’m a law student with not much time to look at FreeRepublic, but I decided to log in after class today and see the talk concerning McCain. There are many articles that make the presumption that conservatives should care about the Republican Party. I know I’m young and haven’t had a long experience with party politics, but it seems, since I became politically aware, the Republican Party has hardly represented my political sentiments. Among my conservative friends, there is much of the same perception. The arrogant party lackies wish to invoke some sort of loyalty/fear of Clinton or Obama to get out the vote. My question is simple. How long will people be inspired to vote for something that does not serve their interests.... even if it is better than the alternative. It’s time to separate the wheat from the chaff. I believe the Republicans might be improved with a defeat... perhaps, even better, a viable third party would materialize.
Screw McCain - our Republican members of the house and senate will be more apt to fight a rat than they will McCain.
McCaine in office is not a victory for anyone except McCaine.
Conservative does not equal Republican.
Freeper does not equal Republican.
Republican does not equal principled.
McCaine victory does not equal good things for America.
And please don't tell us what we "need" to do.
Yeah...I also learnd my lesson with Arnold and it is not going to happen again!
And I don’t want to look a soldier in the eye and say “yeah I voted for a guy I knew was against the most basic principles you were fighting for”. That’s the core problem this year, none of the candidates deserve the office, none of them will protect America, none of them can be proudly voted for. It’s not a matter of not perfect, it’s a matter of completely unacceptable, which describes McCain just as well as the other two.
I nominate #69 for Post of the Week!
easily influenced are we ;-?
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Clinton Concedes Potomac Primary (DC, VA, MD) To Obama ^
Posted by enough_idiocy to DM1
On News/Activism ^ 02/07/2008 7:16:25 AM PST · 47 of 66 ^
Well, here’s reason 1001919872198739873278 why I won’t vote for McCain...
John McCain Gets Soros Cash - http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1360852/posts
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gets soros cash
so does hil and obama and more than half the free world candiates, it seems
another belated welcome to FR. :-)
McCain won with liberals and the moderates or also know as independents. Why do these McCain loons expose their angry empty suit by demanding what they have not earned? Liberalism is growing like mildew and mold in a dark moist basement.
Oh I will vote for conservatives to *SERVE* in Congress, I won't sit OUT just am not voting liberal this year.
I strongly suggest you McCain supporters might want to quit singing the Cult of Personality song in praise of McCain. People here know his real record. Chanting slogans about how great McCain is, or screaming hysteric insults at everyone, isn’t going to sell with Freepers. We know better. We know McCain’s political record.
Right now McCain supporters best tactic is to simply post what the Democrat candidates are saying on any issue that pisses Conservatives off. Your only hope is that the Democrats manage to scare Conservatives more then McCain pisses them off.
I have no doubt most Conservatives will be scared into supporting McCain in Nov by the Democrats. Simply saying “Well they are worse” isn’t going to work.
What I suggest is McCain supporters simply post what the Democrats Candidates are saying on what ever issues the person angry at McCain is posting about. If they are mad about taxes, post what Obama and Hillary plans are on taxes. Mad on immigration post their immigration plan.
The Democrats themselves are your best chance of changing peoples minds about McCain. Telling us what a great guy he is isn’t going to sell to Feepers. We know his real record on things like Iraq. His real record differs quite a bit from the air brushed one presented by his campaign
I personally think it is a waste of time. I think McCain’s record has so poisoned the well that McCain supporters are wasting their time. However, if McCainiacs are going to insist on spaming the board with McCain campaign ads, at least they should try to be effective campaigners instead of hyper hysteric jackasses.
THANK YOU!!! I just love how we're now labeled whiners and traitors because we don't support McCain. So what if Hillary or Obama wins--*WE* should be focusing on the House and Senate races. Let the Democratic president look like the idiot instead of letting McCain further stain the GOP. Hillary and Obama can't do that much damage with a Republican Congress. We just need enough conservative Republicans to balance out McCain and his future Gangs of 14.
I understand the lesser of two evils reasoning, and I’m not going to flame anyone for making that tough choice.
However, there is a longer-term question here: how do we pressure the GOP into giving us actual, conservative candidates? All the candidates we’ve gotten since Reagan have been big government squishes. If we continue to vote for the bad candidates they give us, what incentive does the GOP have to be more responsive to our wishes?
My nephew volunteered for the Air Force in 2006 and went through basic at Lackland last Summer.
There's no way in hell I'm going to stand by and let Clinton or Obama become his Commander in Chief.
Hunter was my first choice, Thompson my second, and Romney third. McCain wasn't even on my list, for reasons you all know why. But when he became, in effect, the Republican nominee yesterday, I switched from being an over-my-dead-body anti-McCain voter to a crawling-over-broken-glass McCain supporter.
I'm not going to lay down and let the bad guys -- and I mean the really bad guys -- win.
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