Posted on 02/12/2008 2:30:28 AM PST by Recall
Despite the attempt to give John McCain the GOP Presidential nomination, the party doesn't have to nominate every Democrat's favorite Republican. Even though he is clearly the Republican frontrunner, Super Tuesday's results show McCain has not only failed to energize the Republican Party faithful — he has alienated it.
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The terrible GOP turn-out in the primaries tells the story of the impending electoral disaster of McCain on the ticket — consistent with national polling that has, for months, shown "none of the above" as the conservative choice, a growing number of Republicans are talking about "voting with their feet” (planted firmly on a footrest), and sitting out the general election altogether. At OpenGOPConvention.com, we're pushing for a wide-open "brokered" convention in which the delegates take charge and pick a nominee they agree supports the Reagan platform, fits the mold of a true conservative, and reflects the values of grassroots Americans.
This could result in the drafting of a "dark horse" nominee.
We're therefore running our own online preference poll to gauge possible choices.
(Excerpt) Read more at opengopconvention.com ...
“Whether you like it or not, McCain has effectively won the nomination through the electoral process.”
No, he has not. The party’s bluebloods have set this up to ensure the conservative base did not get a conservative.
McCain has not “won the nomination” except in the RNC elite’s plans.
>>>>>Newt did not do it by himself. His ideas are what carried it though.
Oh stop being ridiculous. No leader “does it by himself”.
The Contract was Newt’s idea. Significant parts made it through to law.
Not to mention that the Contract provided the 1994 takeover of Congress (Newt spent one year engineering the 1994 election and Republican candidates).
End of story. You’re simply unwilling to give him credit for his work and his strategy, and want to disperse it among unknown and nebulous “others”.
>>>>>not on the personal issues. he didn’t even try so he just resigned.
There was no “debate” about “personal issues”, and in any case Newt was discussing those for much of 2007.
‘The Contract was Newt’s idea.’ I SAID he had good ideas. You need to read Tom’s book. It was not Newt’s strategies that got it through.
“I couldn’t vote for Newt. His personal life and his ego gives me the creeps.”
You have lots of company.
>>>Dark Horse=Newt Gingrich.. that boy is so dark he makes Mclaim look like an albino..
If you want to vote for a Democrat, McQueeg is your man. But I’d rather (and will) go for the card-carrying Rat over him, Hussein Obama.
And perhaps that disastrous 4 years will convince you to listen to what Newt’s actually been saying and doing, rather than to the propaganda and fantastical DNC propaganda about Newt that’s created a whole Republican party full of brainwashed ninnies.
“I predict the opposite. The more that’s known about him the more they’ll defend him.
I don’t mean to denigrate Obama in fashion, but **in the eyes of his supporters** his best attribute is he’s not a white man.
I don’t see that changing any time soon.”
I’m sure for some of them that is in fact the case. However what the majority of them seem to be are youthful idealists. Obama will be unable to deliver for them. He won’t be able to convert the country to a green agenda, and that’s a biggie for a lot of his supporters. He won’t be able to stop the war in Iraq, no matter what he’s promising them now. Remember congress has the lowest approval ratings in decades, a lot of that dissatisfaction is from Dems. who think Pelosi and Reid are not liberal enough.
To put a finer point on this, Obama will alienate and de-moralize his more liberal core supporters in much the same way GWB has alienated and de-moralized his more conservative core supporters. The difference between the two IMO is that Obamas supporters are from people new to the political process, they will probably drop out when they don’t get what they were promised.
>>>>He does have undeniable appeal to the moderates and conservative Dems. and liberal Republicans.
Of course he does. Because he;s a Democrat.
“...fringe candidates like Keys and unknowns like Brownback. I think that tells us a lot about this so called GOPPAC...”
What it tells us is what the RNC HASN’T been telling us, about people that deserve more than fringe status on the merits of their ideas, ‘electability’ follows that, or should.
>>>>would you still want to live in such an America? I would try to convert from $ to some other currency.
We own a house in Southeast Asia, and I bank at ING and HSBC.
The handwriting is on the wall.
America will make a sharp withdrawal from the Democrat precipice, or not.
America will make a sharp withdrawal from the Democrat precipice, or not.
That's an interesting two sentences. What does they mean?
“This is a dynamic system, things are changing rapidly. What was reality last month isn’t now.”
The important things haven’t changed. The important things are:
- The delegates selected so far are mostly committed for the first couple of ballots to their pledged candidate.
- If a candidate has sufficient delegates to win the nomination, this candidate will win the nomination on the first ballot when the delegates are committed to vote for him.
- You do not vote for a candidate in the primaries but for a specific delegate committed to support a specific candidate. That delegate is not going to change his vote just because we might not like his candidate.
IOW, this is nothing more than a fantasy with absolutely no chance of becoming ‘reality’.
There are five stages of grief. These are:
Denial. Denying that McCain will be the nominee.
Anger. I’ll never vote for McCain.
Barganing. I won’t vote for McCain but I’ll vote for down the ticket candidates.
Depression. I give up.
Acceptance. I’ll vote for McCain since he is better than the democrat.
Most of the ‘real conservatives’ are trapped in various stages of Denial, Anger, and Bargaining. Get over it. The next president will be one of these Hillary, Obama, or McCain.
McCain does NOT have this sewn up, either as the RNC anointed and certainly not with the popular vote!
But the Soros-compromised RNC and the Liberal Media want you to think so and thus accept their premise.
There’s Nothing Conservative Or Principled About Helping A Democrat Beat John McCain In November
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1967241/posts
Using the Delphi Technique to Achieve Consensus [or How the Left builds consensus]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1749948/posts
Selling Morality to an Amoral Public
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1939946/posts
>>>>Newt is major part of the problem-part of the leadership that has set us all up. Add his affair
Your statement is irresponsible and actually delusional. No one “set us up”. Republicans and “Conservatives” shot themselves in the head. With their own hand.
And now we have a Democrat candidate on the (R) ticket.
To blame Newt for this is utterly .... and almost unspeakably ... insane.
And your concern with his personal martial life is just reprehensible.
But I’d expect this from someone with your “handle”.
“well it will all depend if my prediction about the MSM pushing mccain is true. If the MSM is actually on his side well that’s quite a win”
Yep, that’s going to be hard to predict until the nominees are decided. JMHO, but I think McCain has a better chance to win against Obama than Hillary. Obamas support is just too bandwagon like. As soon as he has to move to the center they’ll dump him. Remember his largest group of supporters aren’t really committed activists or even people that normally vote. They’re young idealistic and pure. They see Obama as more than a mere politician, but a hard fought political campaign against a determined opponent will clear that right up. So far Hillary hasn’t attacked Obama yet. I think because she didn’t take him seriously and didn’t want to seem so aggressive. Her bad, I don’t think she can pull it out now.
>>>>The party’s bluebloods have set this up to ensure the conservative base did not get a conservative.
Paranoid and delusional. “Conservatives” did it to themselves.
Stop blaming other people.
That is excellent! Excellent!
In election politics, seems like there ought to be six stages, but don't know what, exactly, the sixth stage ought to be.
Or, maybe we just need something like chanting the Serenity Prayer each time we log on.
>>>>>You need to read Tom’s book. It was not Newt’s strategies that got it through.
Sour grapes. It was Newt’s idea and Newt’s success, and nothing can take it from him, ever. Not even worth discussing for one more sentence.
>>>>“I couldn’t vote for Newt. His personal life and his ego gives me the creeps.”
>>>You have lots of company.
That’s why we have the Democrat John McCrazy on the Republican ticket.
You people who vote against, against, against.
I encourage you to support McQueeg.
McCain is not and will never be my candidate. I have considered myself to be a conservative for years; however, I would have a REALLY hard time voting for him even if the “Party” selects him.
He is being given the nomination by the moderates and libs who are allowed to vote in the primaries.
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