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Hillary Gives Up!
Vanity | 2/22/08 | DWPittelli

Posted on 02/22/2008 5:46:14 PM PST by DWPittelli

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To: fightinJAG
Did someone force people to vote for John McCain? Was anyone precluded from voting for whoever they wanted to?

Ummm.......I haven't even had a chance to vote yet. My state's primary isn't until May. I've been precluded from being able to vote for anyone but McPain in the A$$.

Even so, he ain't gettin' my vote.

61 posted on 02/22/2008 7:14:32 PM PST by alicewonders (The Republican Party - gettin' stupider and stupider.)
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To: fightinJAG

Hillary said she gave HSU’s money to charity.

Hillary said she loaned her own campaign $5 million, and wants it back.

Where is the proof that she really gave any illegal campaign contributions back?

Where is the proof she really loaned her campaign $5mill?

Maybe she really loaned it $3 million.

Who’s to know?


62 posted on 02/22/2008 7:14:37 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Just saying what 'they' won't.)
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To: sport

“He is a fool if he picks Hillary as his VP”

If this will help him win he will. However, on the day he is sworn in, he will tell the secret service that she is never to step foot into the White House.


63 posted on 02/22/2008 7:15:48 PM PST by shaft29
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To: billva
On the other hand if McCain wins while some spoiled children with hold their votes then the spoiled children lose big.

This is the real risk that many here seem unconcerned about.

It's no different than when people go on strike. If the employer can find a way to replace them permanently, he will.

Instead of forcing the party to follow them and become more conservative, quitting on game day forces the party to replace them with even more moderates. Because the party's goal is to win elections and they naturally try to find a way to do that with whomever will help them win.

64 posted on 02/22/2008 7:18:12 PM PST by fightinJAG (Rush was right when he used to say: "You NEVER win by losing.")
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To: cornbreadmuffin

You know, I was thinking along those same lines watching the debate last night. Did you notice that whenever Obama was speaking, she was staring at him with this strange look on her face. There was a very forced smile, but there was something else also - I said to my husband, “she’s either putting a spell on him, or she’s thinking - talk on big boy, you’re not going to be bothering me much longer.”

There was something very knowing about the way she was looking at him, and it was a little bit frightening.


65 posted on 02/22/2008 7:18:46 PM PST by alicewonders (The Republican Party - gettin' stupider and stupider.)
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To: DWPittelli
subconscious sexism on my part

Dude,whether she wins or not, it won't make a difference in this regard! Off to a re-education camp wiff ya!

66 posted on 02/22/2008 7:22:28 PM PST by Revolting cat! (We all need someone we can bleed on...)
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To: ElPatriota

I disagree.

So-cons gain nothing by deliberately undermining the Republican nominee by refusing to vote for him. And they might lose everything.

No segment of the base is a kingmaker. The sooner that is realized the better.

Many so-cons quit on Bush I. Did that do anything to advance their principles or get them taken more seriously? No. Each time they threaten to go on strike, their influence grows weaker. That’s because a political party exists for only one purpose-—to win elections. When a group consistently refuses to help accomplish that goal, the party just moves on and tries to find other people who will help.

No different than a football team. It’s not personal. It’s not about personal principles, it’s about winning within the agreed-upon rules. So if a bunch of people quit the team on game day, all that happens is the team tries to find a way to win without them. And they sure as heck try to avoid having those kind of people on their team in the future.


67 posted on 02/22/2008 7:23:47 PM PST by fightinJAG (Rush was right when he used to say: "You NEVER win by losing.")
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To: dhs12345
Don't forget the Democratic Party is also at war. Sit back and enjoy. Look what they have done the last few days with the NYT.

On getting McQueeg, we'll have to just take his marbles away from him. We're stuck unless something happens to him. I don't wish bad on anyone. But, have you see that thingy on his neck recently?

68 posted on 02/22/2008 7:24:02 PM PST by AGreatPer
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To: Blue Collar Christian
Where have all the conservatives gone?

Apparently they have wandered off to join the Party of One.

What, one asks, is encouraging the GOP further leftward? The fact that hardly anyone voted for the more conservative candidates.

People can wail all they want about not having a great candidate, but the fact remains that there were candidates who were more conservative than John McCain, but who got very few votes. So few that they actually dropped out without anyone even really noticing.

With very few people actually voting "conservative," in the sense that word seems to be used by many here, of course the party is going to gravitate toward the middle.

69 posted on 02/22/2008 7:28:53 PM PST by fightinJAG (Rush was right when he used to say: "You NEVER win by losing.")
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To: seekthetruth

I admire you greatly for taking this stand. You will not be rewarded for it here, I’m afraid. But I believe you are doing the right thing for your country. Thank you.


70 posted on 02/22/2008 7:29:49 PM PST by fightinJAG (Rush was right when he used to say: "You NEVER win by losing.")
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To: Blue Collar Christian
How do YOU propose we conservatives send the message to the RNC that we want true conservatives? When I was in California, the “base” voted for Awnuld, a man married into the Kennedys and not a whole lot different than McCain. That worked just great, didn’t it?

You can start by acting like an adult instead of a spoiled child!

An adult knows when to get on board and help row the boat, to be supportive of others if you expect them to be supportive of you in the future. Then to work harder next time to get their point across and get the help of those they just helped.

A spoiled child picks up their marbles and goes home when they don't get their way.

Which you are is up to you.

71 posted on 02/22/2008 7:30:06 PM PST by billva
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To: AGreatPer
On getting McQueeg, we'll have to just take his marbles away from him. We're stuck unless something happens to him. I don't wish bad on anyone. But, have you see that thingy on his neck recently?

Yep. Notice his left eye too, he is not a well man.

72 posted on 02/22/2008 7:31:53 PM PST by alicewonders (The Republican Party - gettin' stupider and stupider.)
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To: traditional1
Get a grip; it's not "spoiled brats" who are telling the Republican Party "ENOUGH OF THIS"...it's those with principle. Those who go along with the program, no matter what asshat is thrust in front of them as the Party's Candidate, simply rubber stamp the RNC's RINOism, and no change will ever come about, as they can always count on the non-principled votes.

You're the one who needs to get a grip. See my post 71, it fits you.

73 posted on 02/22/2008 7:33:51 PM PST by billva
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To: fightinJAG

If you think “anyone” can run for President, without the blessing of the Party, just ask Duncan Hunter how that works.....


74 posted on 02/22/2008 7:34:22 PM PST by traditional1
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To: dhs12345

The choice is ALWAYS to vote for someone who is the lesser of two evils.

And what’s wrong with that?

Isn’t it a moral imperative to do what one is able to do to STOP a greater evil?

Yes.

Does it demonstrate “integrity” to sit passively and allow someone who is “more crappy” than someone else to win an election when one could have voted for the “less crappy” person?

No.

If your ox falls in a ditch on the Sabbath, you have two “crappy” choices-—let your ox die (and possibly impoverish your family) or break the Law. Are you arguing you above making such a choice?


75 posted on 02/22/2008 7:34:41 PM PST by fightinJAG (Rush was right when he used to say: "You NEVER win by losing.")
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To: billva
An adult knows when to get on board and help row the boat, to be supportive of others if you expect them to be supportive of you in the future.

What if you're rowing the boat toward Niagra Falls? A smart person knows when to abandon ship and swim to the shore. The great ship known as the Titanic....er...I mean the Republican Party, is going down.

76 posted on 02/22/2008 7:36:34 PM PST by alicewonders (The Republican Party - gettin' stupider and stupider.)
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To: Blue Collar Christian

I wish you were right, but there’s no doubt that the RNC could care less that a relative handful of people will write in a candidate.

The reality is that if there were enough people who felt as you do to make a difference, we wouldn’t be in this situation in the first place. Those people would have voted for one of the more conservative candidates in the race so as to keep one of the less conservative candidates from becoming the nominee.

But they didn’t vote that way. Why would huge numbers then vote that way in the general? Not gonna happen.


77 posted on 02/22/2008 7:38:32 PM PST by fightinJAG (Rush was right when he used to say: "You NEVER win by losing.")
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To: fightinJAG
This is the real risk that many here seem unconcerned about.

It's no different than when people go on strike. If the employer can find a way to replace them permanently, he will.

Instead of forcing the party to follow them and become more conservative, quitting on game day forces the party to replace them with even more moderates. Because the party's goal is to win elections and they naturally try to find a way to do that with whomever will help them win.

Exactly the way I see it, they don't realize they will lose all their relevance by behaving the way they are threatening to act.

Some of these short sighted folks don't seem to understand that when and if they pull the walkout then their thoughts won't be worth much in the future.

78 posted on 02/22/2008 7:39:06 PM PST by billva
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To: cripplecreek

I will not vote for McCain in the fall either.


79 posted on 02/22/2008 7:39:08 PM PST by nyconse
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To: cripplecreek

?????
For the president of USA? No qualifications needed?


80 posted on 02/22/2008 7:40:09 PM PST by presently no screen name
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