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Honolulu PD, NRA Square Off On Rifle Debate
KITV-4 (Hawaii) ^ | 2/22/08 | n/a

Posted on 02/25/2008 8:38:35 AM PST by kiriath_jearim

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To: TalonDJ
Cash is a little tight for me right now. We're still getting our housing situation squared away after moving back to our home State.

I never would have willingly come back to this Gods-foresaken wasteland of liberal non-sense, but family is family.

Maybe this summer though. ;-)

261 posted on 02/25/2008 1:07:11 PM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: PapaBear3625
If we're saying that allowing Joe to own a gun would present a risk to the community, wouldn't the community be served by Joes continued absence?

Possibly. However, our system of justice does permit people to be released from prison via the parole system. Are you suggesting we should eliminate this system?

262 posted on 02/25/2008 1:09:51 PM PST by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Soldier home after 15 months in the Triangle of death)
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To: SoldierDad

Can you list the laws that have effectively stopped criminals and the criminally insane or even just the garden variety insane person from obtaining a weapon when they wanted one to inflict harm on another person?

Law abiding (re-read that if necessary) citizens obey the law and criminals do not. So who does such a law target?


263 posted on 02/25/2008 1:09:51 PM PST by Harvey105
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To: SoldierDad
I would be in support of this weapon not being available for civilian purchase.

Anyone who says such things is not an American. Gun rights are about the ability to resist an oppressive goverment, not deer hunting.

264 posted on 02/25/2008 1:11:29 PM PST by ColdSteelTalon
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To: RJL

What is it that we are always told?

If you have done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear.

Since they are afraid, it makes me think that just maybe they have done something wrong. Ya think? ;-)


265 posted on 02/25/2008 1:13:27 PM PST by Harvey105
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To: rickomatic

After much flaming, and realizing the mistake of my original comment, and some of my subsequent comments, I’ve acknowledged that I did not think through my comments very well. I offer my apology to you for my poorly thought out words. I hope you will accept that apology. I’d rather fight on your side than the other side of this issue.


266 posted on 02/25/2008 1:15:20 PM PST by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Soldier home after 15 months in the Triangle of death)
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To: Harvey105

I agree - the unfortunate reality of such laws is to deal with the aftermath of when someone uses firearms inappropriately, and nothing more. No law, by itself, is capable of preventing someone from committing an unlawful act. Therefore, people should be able to own firarms to defend themselves and their familes from those who seek to commit acts against them.


267 posted on 02/25/2008 1:18:21 PM PST by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Soldier home after 15 months in the Triangle of death)
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To: ColdSteelTalon

One poorly thought out comment and I’m forever labled. I’ve recanted my comment in post #3, and I do not advocate banning gun ownership.

I’d also add that gun rights are also about being able to defend you home and your family (either from the Government or other persons who are out to commit crimes against you).


268 posted on 02/25/2008 1:20:40 PM PST by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Soldier home after 15 months in the Triangle of death)
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To: SoldierDad
I'll accept your apology, but your opinion "You can justify your position all you want using anecdotes from the 1700’s, but that doesn’t mean you have a valid argument in today’s world" is about as bad as comment as I've ever heard someone say here on FR.

Just extraordinarily bad. Fundamentally bad. Looking on you from here on with grave suspicion bad.

Bad as in "What is his son risking his life for, exactly, if his dad thinks like that?" bad.

Apology accepted, I guess.

269 posted on 02/25/2008 1:22:03 PM PST by The KG9 Kid
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To: The KG9 Kid

As admitted, my comments were not very well thought out. I’m having a bad start to this week. I respectfully recant all of what I stated.


270 posted on 02/25/2008 1:23:45 PM PST by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Soldier home after 15 months in the Triangle of death)
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To: mamelukesabre
check www.quackenbushairguns.com
Its a firearm where the Missouri Conservation commission is concerned and I think it would be considered a firearm in most other states.
Its a hoot to shoot, believe me. I use an Airbag to energize the rifle. Fiberglass tank, smaller and lighter than scuba, used by firemen.
271 posted on 02/25/2008 1:23:47 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (ENERGY CRISIS made in Washington D. C.)
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To: SoldierDad
Possibly. However, our system of justice does permit people to be released from prison via the parole system. Are you suggesting we should eliminate this system?

Many years ago, it used to be a given that, when a man had "paid his debt to society" and was set free, then he was a free man again, subject to all the rights of a free man. On the other hand, those who committed acts that indicated that they were the sort of person who would NEVER be safe to let free, were likely to be executed.

I would lean more towards giving people their rights back when free, but allow juries to recommend execution of repeat violent offenders, with the appeals process streamlined so that the execution WOULD occur within a year of conviction

272 posted on 02/25/2008 1:27:09 PM PST by PapaBear3625
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To: ChromeDome

It was shortly before I flew to Hawaii so it was etched pretty deeply in my mind.


273 posted on 02/25/2008 1:28:28 PM PST by Harvey105
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
I have a Career 9mm and .45. Both are good shooters. I broke down and got an Airhog tank myself. The funny thing is even here in diving territory I cannot get it filled over 3200 psi.
274 posted on 02/25/2008 1:29:11 PM PST by beltfed308 (Heller: The defining moment of our Republic)
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To: Dead Corpse

Sure did. Marvin sure was screwed when access to his land and sewer were pretty much cut off because of a cement factory coming in.


275 posted on 02/25/2008 1:32:28 PM PST by beltfed308 (Heller: The defining moment of our Republic)
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To: SoldierDad

I have caught up on the thread and saw your recantation but I do not withdraw my questions. Consider them food for thought when the subject comes up again.

Are you familiar with the Liberty Pistol or the Warsaw Ghetto?


276 posted on 02/25/2008 1:35:26 PM PST by Harvey105
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To: SoldierDad

Your questions will be answered when the 50 foot dinosaur aliens attack. We’ll all wish we had one then.
Super-Mecha Gophers are also a threat suited to the application of such firepower.


277 posted on 02/25/2008 1:39:40 PM PST by Uriah_lost (This space closed for a respectful mourning period...)
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To: All

http://www.doi.gov/secretary/letters/DKFirearmsResponseLetter.pdf

“Secretary Kempthorne Responds To Letters From Senators
February 25, 2008
Secretary of the Interior Dirk Kempthorne today responded to letters signed by 51 U.S. Senators concerning the transporting and carrying of firearms on lands administered by the National Park Service and the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service.”

May be of interest to some of you.


278 posted on 02/25/2008 1:39:42 PM PST by BigIsleGal (Love to Those on Rainbow Bridge and Luck to Us Who Aren't)
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To: SoldierDad

BTW, my comments were in response to yours in post #175, not post #3.

Don’t expect people to not to respond to you post even after recanting the words. They are there and people will respond as they read through the thread. I don’t know of anyone who reads the entire thread before commenting when something screams out for comment.


279 posted on 02/25/2008 1:40:07 PM PST by Harvey105
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To: from occupied ga

What is your estimate? And source?


280 posted on 02/25/2008 1:47:35 PM PST by Manly Warrior (US Army, Retired)
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