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Police: Man in critical condition after exposure to ricin
CNN ^ | 2-29-08 | CNN

Posted on 02/29/2008 12:39:14 PM PST by SeafoodGumbo

A man who stayed in a Las Vegas hotel room where ricin was found is in critical condition at a hospital, where he has been since mid-February, said a Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department official.

A man is in critical condition after exposure to ricin at a Las Vegas, Nevada, hotel.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Nevada
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LGF's description of this story:
“A man” (that’s how the media are identifying him right now) is comatose and in critical condition in Las Vegas, and presumptive tests indicate that a substance found in his hotel room is the deadly poison ricin.

1 posted on 02/29/2008 12:39:15 PM PST by SeafoodGumbo
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To: SeafoodGumbo

“A man”? More like a corpse I’d say.


2 posted on 02/29/2008 12:42:29 PM PST by ladtx ( "Never miss a good chance to shut up." - - Will Rogers)
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To: SeafoodGumbo

Work related accident, I assume.


3 posted on 02/29/2008 12:43:06 PM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: SeafoodGumbo
Two possibilities come to mind.
  1. A terrorist had used the room and this poor "man" is an innocent victim.
  2. More likely-based upon the lack of identification of the "man"-this guy IS a terrorist hoisted on his own petard.

4 posted on 02/29/2008 12:43:19 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (It takes a father to raise a child.)
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To: SeafoodGumbo

FBI has announced this has nothing to do with terrorism,
do NOT profile Muzzies.


5 posted on 02/29/2008 12:44:17 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: SeafoodGumbo

This sounds like...not being able to call Obama “Hussein”...

A man? Smells like terrorist to me. You just dont go around someplace carrying ricin


6 posted on 02/29/2008 12:44:41 PM PST by UCFRoadWarrior (Anyone Notice....But It Is Only The Low-Rated Talk Radio Hosts That Support McCain)
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To: pissant

Just how does one “accidentally” get ricin poisoning?........


7 posted on 02/29/2008 12:45:24 PM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: SeafoodGumbo
Some say he is a dedicated physician who was forced to do oncologic research in his '"Extended stay America" suite.


Alternative hypotheses including things that should make an inquiring mind go "hmmmmmm"

Found in Iraq:

* New research on BW-applicable agents, Brucella and Congo Crimean Hemorrhagic Fever (CCHF),
and continuing work on ricin and aflatoxin were not declared to the UN.


Still missing based on the UNSCOM report to the UN Security Council in January 1999,
when the UN inspectors left Iraq in 1998, they had been unable to account for:

• up to 360 tons of bulk chemical warfare agents, including 1.5 tons of VX nerve agent

• growth media procured for biological agent production (enough to produce
over three times the 8,500 litres of anthrax spores Iraq admitted to UN inspectors to having manufactured);



8 posted on 02/29/2008 12:46:15 PM PST by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: UCFRoadWarrior
Hey, I was making chili the other day, and wound up soaking castor beans instead of navy beans, y'know... And then I put them in the Cuisinart, y'know... And I make Ricin, like, by accident!!!
9 posted on 02/29/2008 12:46:49 PM PST by gridlock (Proud McCain Supporter since February 7, 2008.)
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To: SeafoodGumbo

It’s a great day to be in Las Vegas. I had a colonoscopy a few months ago (guess where), and this motel is a few blocks from where I work.
Sheesh!


10 posted on 02/29/2008 12:47:10 PM PST by xroadie
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To: SeafoodGumbo
A man is in critical condition after exposure to ricin at a Las Vegas, Nevada, hotel.

John "Hussein" Doe?

11 posted on 02/29/2008 12:47:16 PM PST by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: Red Badger

Preparing it for an attack and accidentally getting a bit too much exposure.


12 posted on 02/29/2008 12:47:21 PM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: PBRSTREETGANG

YOU CANNOT use his MIDDLE NAME!!!!!!!!!!!


13 posted on 02/29/2008 12:47:42 PM PST by goodnesswins (Being Challenged Builds Character; Being Coddled Destroys Character)
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To: pissant

Do you know how much ricin constitutes a fatal dose?.............


14 posted on 02/29/2008 12:48:15 PM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: Red Badger

He was just making his own castor oil and drank the wrong part. Perfectly understandable mistake — it happens all the time.


15 posted on 02/29/2008 12:48:25 PM PST by MediaMole
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To: pissant

“Work related accident, I assume.”

Pretty good assumption I’d say.


16 posted on 02/29/2008 12:48:34 PM PST by EEDUDE
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To: Jeff Chandler
I bet it wasn't a Holiday Inn Express................
17 posted on 02/29/2008 12:49:26 PM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: SeafoodGumbo
several countries have investigated links between suspect extremists and ricin...

Don't'cha just love the PC term for terrorist??

18 posted on 02/29/2008 12:49:37 PM PST by Dasaji (The U.S.A. is the Land of Opportunity and you've got 50 states to do it in!)
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To: Red Badger

Ate the whole pot of castor beans?


19 posted on 02/29/2008 12:50:07 PM PST by DonnerT (To compromise integrity is to loose it!)
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To: Red Badger

500 micrograms. 0.5 mg.


20 posted on 02/29/2008 12:50:29 PM PST by EEDUDE
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To: goodnesswins

just a shrillary/obama operative on the job...wonder which one?


21 posted on 02/29/2008 12:51:05 PM PST by spokeshave (Hey GOP...NO money till border closed and criminal illegals deported)
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To: Diogenesis

Good post. Thanks for the US map etc.


22 posted on 02/29/2008 12:51:05 PM PST by Judith Anne (I have no idea what to put here. Not a clue.)
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To: Red Badger

Yep. thats’ why it would be easy to screw up and die. Not as dramatic as the accidental early detonations of suicide vests, I’ll grant you


23 posted on 02/29/2008 12:51:25 PM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: goodnesswins

Unless it’s *Wayne* - then, it’s required.


24 posted on 02/29/2008 12:51:56 PM PST by Rte66
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To: MediaMole

When I was a small child (60’s), my grandfather grew Castor plants in the garden and kept the seeds from year to year. He would not let me touch them. He called them “Mole Beans”. He would put them in mole mounds around the garden as a poison.............


25 posted on 02/29/2008 12:51:57 PM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: DonnerT

My grandfather called them “mole beans” back in the 60’s in rural Mississippi..........


26 posted on 02/29/2008 12:52:54 PM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: SeafoodGumbo
C'mon y'all, this is just a case of mistaken identity:
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27 posted on 02/29/2008 12:54:46 PM PST by mkjessup (Famous 'Rat Initials: FDR, HST, JFK, LBJ .... to be followed by *B.O.* ?!? - I don't think so!! LOL)
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To: MizSterious; CrappieLuck; Grammy

In case there is any new information crop up this thread thing ping.


28 posted on 02/29/2008 12:55:01 PM PST by girlangler (Fish Fear Me)
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To: SeafoodGumbo

Interesting twist.


29 posted on 02/29/2008 12:55:23 PM PST by cripplecreek (Voting CONSERVATIVE in memory of 5 children killed by illegals 2/17/08 and 2/19/ 08)
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To: goodnesswins

LMAO!!!!!


30 posted on 02/29/2008 12:55:24 PM PST by cmsgop ( You go to da box..... you feel shame)
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To: Red Badger

Do you know how much ricin constitutes a fatal dose?.............

Pretty much anything more than none at all.


31 posted on 02/29/2008 12:55:33 PM PST by sbMKE
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To: Diogenesis

Close the freakin’ border! Can you make Ricin from Pinto Beans?/


32 posted on 02/29/2008 12:55:47 PM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: Red Badger

Does that work? I have a HUGE number of very pesky moles in my rural front yard, I’d love to use anything that will work.


33 posted on 02/29/2008 12:55:54 PM PST by Judith Anne (I have no idea what to put here. Not a clue.)
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To: Rte66

Hey your up:)


34 posted on 02/29/2008 12:56:03 PM PST by fatima
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To: Red Badger
I wonder if the list LD50s require a tertiary care hospital?

CDI Fact Sheet: Ricin
"Ricin is less toxic when introduced orally, because the chance for absorption is poorer as it travels through the digestive tract.
This has been studied in relation to beans, seeds, and ricin itself. The LD 50 percent (or lethal dose responsible for killing 50 percent of the test population) is 30 mcg/kg.
The fatality rates for ingestion of castor beans and seeds, as indicated by past studies are quite low ranging from 1.9 percent and 6 percent."

"Ricin consists of two distinct protein chains
(almost 30 kDa each) that are linked to each other by a disulfide bond:
* Ricin A is an N-glycoside hydrolase that targets and depurinates
an adenine base in the 28S rRNA molecule of the ribosome, resulting in an inhibition of protein biosynthesis.
* Ricin B is a lectin that binds galactosyl residues and is important in assisting ricin A's entry into a cell by binding with a cell surface component.
Many plants such as barley have the A chain but not the B chain. Since people do not get sick from eating large amounts of such products,
ricin A is of extremely low toxicity as long as the B chain is not present."

35 posted on 02/29/2008 12:56:33 PM PST by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: EEDUDE; Red Badger

For clarification purposes...a 500 microgram dose of ricin would be about the size of the head of a pin.


36 posted on 02/29/2008 12:56:54 PM PST by ravingnutter
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To: PBRSTREETGANG

Muhammed Doe


37 posted on 02/29/2008 12:57:03 PM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: sbMKE

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1978141/posts?q=1&;page=261#261

They moved the thread there to chat... out of breaking news.

it got ugly there. LOL


38 posted on 02/29/2008 12:57:21 PM PST by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Please visit for lastest on DPRK/Russia/China/et al.)
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To: Dasaji

PC’s gonna kill us all -

we can’t even come close to naming the enemy

(cough - ALL Islamists - cough)


39 posted on 02/29/2008 12:58:23 PM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Red Badger

The number one WEED on my farm is castor beans. I bet I grow a couple of hundred lbs a year.


40 posted on 02/29/2008 12:59:37 PM PST by Sunnyflorida (Drill in the Gulf of Mexico/Anwar & we can join OPEC!!! || Write in Thomas Sowell for President.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

The less info they give about the man, the more #2 seems likely.


41 posted on 02/29/2008 1:00:18 PM PST by NYC GOP Chick
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To: SeafoodGumbo
We’ve got Castorbean plants growing all over here in Texas.

We saw one in full blooms out near Pecos river in W. Texas and took some of the *beans* home to plant not knowing what they were. (never did plant them because we put them in the kitchen window to dry and they exploded). (think they’re related to Mexican Jumping beans).

Seen them in many locals in the Austin/San Antonio area.(mostly along waterways and in people’s yards). A lot of people use them to shade their gardens due to the fact they grow up to 15 ft.

42 posted on 02/29/2008 1:00:57 PM PST by wolfcreek (Powers that be will lie like Clintons and spend like drunken McCains to push their Globalist agenda.)
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To: SeafoodGumbo
There have been other reported cases involving ricin in the United States. In January 2005, the FBI arrested an Ocala, Florida, man with no known ties to terrorists or extremists after agents found ricin in the home he lives in with his mother.

Hmm.. missed that story. Must have been overshadowed by a Paris Hilton DUI or Britney Spears beaver flashing incident.

43 posted on 02/29/2008 1:02:42 PM PST by OCC
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To: mkjessup

Well that clears everything up. Pass the salt please.


44 posted on 02/29/2008 1:02:55 PM PST by MaxMax (I need a life after politics)
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To: Red Badger
From the CDC Fact Sheet:

It would take a deliberate act to make ricin and use it to poison people. Accidental exposure to ricin is highly unlikely.

People can breathe in ricin mist or powder and be poisoned.

Ricin can also get into water or food and then be swallowed.

Pellets of ricin, or ricin dissolved in a liquid, can be injected into people’s bodies.

Depending on the route of exposure (such as injection or inhalation), as little as 500 micrograms of ricin could be enough to kill an adult. A 500-microgram dose of ricin would be about the size of the head of a pin. A greater amount would likely be needed to kill people if the ricin were swallowed.

In 1978, Georgi Markov, a Bulgarian writer and journalist who was living in London, died after he was attacked by a man with an umbrella. The umbrella had been rigged to inject a poison ricin pellet under Markov’s skin.

Some reports have indicated that ricin may have been used in the Iran-Iraq war during the 1980s and that quantities of ricin were found in Al Qaeda caves in Afghanistan.

Ricin poisoning is not contagious. It cannot be spread from person to person through casual contact.

More at:

CDC Fact Sheet

45 posted on 02/29/2008 1:03:34 PM PST by ravingnutter
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To: Red Badger

Toxicity

Ricin is poisonous if inhaled, injected, or ingested, acting as a toxin by the inhibition of protein synthesis. Ricin is 6000 times more toxic than cyanide and 12000 times more poisonous than rattlesnake venom by weight. While there is no known antidote, the US military has developed a vaccine.[2] Symptomatic and supportive treatment is available. Long term organ damage is likely in survivors. Ricin causes severe diarrhea and victims can die of shock. (See abrin).

Deaths caused by ingestion of seeds are rare.[3] Eight beans are considered toxic for an adult.[4] A solution of saline and glucose has been used to treat ricin overdose. [5] The case experience is not as negative as popular perception would indicate.[6]

46 posted on 02/29/2008 1:04:09 PM PST by COBOL2Java ("McCain is a war hero. He's also a useful idiot for the Democrats." - Mark Levin)
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To: UCFRoadWarrior
u just dont go around someplace carrying ricin./i>

Equally important, nobody but a a fide researcher, terrorist, or hit person wants to posses it.

47 posted on 02/29/2008 1:05:34 PM PST by libstripper
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To: xroadie
I had a colonoscopy a few months ago (guess where)

Would that be in the butt, Bob?

48 posted on 02/29/2008 1:07:37 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: COBOL2Java
CDI Fact Sheet: Ricin

"Ricin is the third most toxic substance known after plutonium and botulism.
Its recent discovery at a Wood Green flat in London marks the first 'specific threat' in the United Kingdom linked to Muslim extremists since Sept. 11, 2002.
Ricin's potential as a powerful terrorist weapon is high, as it is relatively easy to produce and has no antidote.
Indeed, it takes so little ricin to kill one human being that its use can be undetectable.
It also offers a method to instigate panic and disorder as a "disabling agent" if used to pollute water and food supplies."

Toxicity

Deaths caused by ingestion of seeds are rare.[3]
Eight beans are considered toxic for an adult.[4]
A solution of saline and glucose has been used to treat ricin overdose. [5]
The case experience is not as negative as popular perception would indicate.[6]

CDI Fact Sheet: Ricin

"Ricin works by blocking protein synthesis at the cellular level.
It was discovered in 1800 by Hermann Stillmark, who uncovered the properties of lectins, a type of versatile plant protein.
While extracting oil from castor beans, he discovered ricin, the toxic protein making up 1 percent to 5 percent of the beans' weight."

"Ricin can be delivered to the human body via ingestion, injection, or inhalation.
Dermal, or physical contact, while not recommended, poses little danger due to negligible absorption.

49 posted on 02/29/2008 1:09:27 PM PST by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: Yaelle

LOL!


50 posted on 02/29/2008 1:10:23 PM PST by FMBass ("Now that I'm sober I watch a lot of news"- Garofalo from Coulter's "Treason")
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