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China: Countries urged to see 'true face' of Dalai Lama
China Daily ^ | 03/26/08 | Qin Jize

Posted on 03/26/2008 8:54:27 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

Countries urged to see 'true face' of Dalai Lama

By Qin Jize (China Daily)

Updated: 2008-03-26 07:10

Foreign Ministry spokesman Qin Gang yesterday again urged the international community to see the Dalai Lama's "true face" and offer no support for his secessionist activities.

Qin made the remarks in response to US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice's recent call for China to consider a new policy to address the Tibet issue and to start talks with the Dalai Lama.

US House of Representatives Speaker Nancy Pelosi also visited the Dalai Lama last week.

Qin said the position of just a few countries did not represent that of the international community.

More than 100 nations have expressed their support and understanding of the Chinese government's attitude to protecting the lives and property of its citizens from violent riots, he said.

Qin said the central government's policy toward the Dalai Lama is consistent and explicit, saying it not only listens to what he says but, more importantly, observes what he does.

China yesterday also criticized a British newspaper's report that linked the Beijing Olympics with the Berlin Games of 1936, saying the story is an insult to Chinese citizens and to the people of the world.

A report published in the British newspaper the Sunday Times said China is holding the Olympics for the same reason Adolf Hitler did in 1936, as an opportunity to collect accolades.

Qin said the Beijing Olympics is a magnificent sports meeting, and people from all nations have expressed their wishes to use it as an opportunity to enhance global understanding, friendship and cooperation.

"The Olympic torch symbolizes humankind's noble ideals and beautiful aspirations," Qin said.

" It also casts light on the gloomy mentality of some people, which will help the common people see their true face," he said.

"The Beijing Olympic Games must be a success with all the efforts made by the people of the


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To: Dr. Marten

Re: It’s not Chinese propaganda, it’s HISTORY.

If that’s the case, then it shouldn’t be too difficult to come up with some links now, should it?


41 posted on 03/26/2008 10:35:56 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Truth : Liberals :: Kryptonite : Superman)
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To: indcons
Source? I agree about the need to learn history - only not from a ChiCom tool like you.
 
Don't blame me if your source of history comes from the likes of Hollywood movies such as Kundun or Seven Years in Tibet.
 
I'd suggest you pick up a history book. If you're lazy, you can try Google.
 
BTW,  I thought name calling was a liberal tactic? Your insult is sophmoric and only lends further evidence to your lack of knowledge on this topic.

42 posted on 03/26/2008 10:37:02 AM PDT by Dr. Marten (http://thehorsesmouth.blog-city.com)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Please read comment #40.


43 posted on 03/26/2008 10:38:11 AM PDT by kipita (“Love” is to humanity as gravitons are to an infinite # of universes.)
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To: kipita

In January 1913 a bilateral treaty was signed between Tibet and Mongolia at Urga. In that treaty both countries declared themselves free and separate from China.

The Thirteenth Dalai Lama, having returned from India i.n January 1913, issued a formal declaration of the complete independence of Tibet, dated the eighth day of the first month of the Water-Ox year (March 1913). The document also clarified:

“Now the Chinese intention of colonising Tibet under the patron-priest relationship has faded like a rainbow in the sky”.

The Thirteenth Dalai Lama started international relations, introduced modern postal and telegraph services and, despite the turbulent period in which he ruled, introduced measures to modernise Tibet. On December 17, 1933 he passed away.

The following year a Chinese mission arrived in Lhasa to offer condolences, but in fact they tried to settle the Sino-Tibetan border issue. After the chief delegate left, another Chinese delegate remained to continue discussions. The Chinese delegation was permitted to remain in Lhasa on the same footing as the Nepalese and Indian representatives until he was expelled in 1949.

In September 1949, Communist China, without any provocation, invaded Eastern Tibet and captured Chamdo, the headquarters of the Governor of Eastern Tibet. On November 11, 1950, the Tibetan Government protested to the United Nations Organisation against the Chinese aggression. Although El Salvador raised the question, the Steering Committee of the General Assembly moved to postpone the issue.

On November 17, 1950, His Holiness the Fourteenth Dalai Lama assumed full spiritual and temporal powers as the Head of State because of the grave crisis facing the country, although he was barely sixteen years old. On May 23, 1951 a Tibetan delegation, which had gone to Peking to hold talks on the invasion, was forced to sign the so-called “17-point Agreement on Measures for the Peaceful Liberation of Tibet”, with threats of more military action in Tibet and by forging the official seals of Tibet.

The Chinese then used this document to carry out their plans to turn Tibet into a colony of China disregarding the strong resistance by the Tibetan people. What is more, the Chinese violated every article of this unequal ‘treaty’ which they had imposed on the Tibetans.

On September 9, 1951 thousands of Chinese troops marched into Lhasa. The forcible occupation of Tibet was marked by systematic destruction of monasteries, suppression of religion, denial of political freedom, widespread arrests and imprisonment and massacre of innocent men, women and children.

On March 10, 1959 the nation-wide Tibetan resistance culminated in the Tibetan National Uprising against the Chinese in Lhasa. The Chinese retaliated with a ruthlessness unknown to the Tibetans. Thousands of men, women and children were massacred in the streets and many more imprisoned and deported. Monks and nuns were a prime target. Monasteries and temples were shelled.

On March 17, 1959 the Dalai Lama left Lhasa and escaped from the pursuing Chinese to seek political asylum in India. He was followed by unprecedented exodus of Tibetans into exile. Never before in their history had so many Tibetans been forced to leave their homeland under such difficult circumstances. There are now more than one hundred thousand Tibetan refugees all over the world.

It has been almost 40 years since Chinese occupied Tibet and the destruction of a unique

Culture is still going on Tibet, yet the world has not come in aid of Tibet, only lip service.

http://www.friends-of-tibet.org.nz/tibet.html


44 posted on 03/26/2008 10:38:35 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Truth : Liberals :: Kryptonite : Superman)
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To: kipita

Your opinion of me doesn’t matter in the slightest considering that YOU are in favor of genocide, forced abortions, and ethnic cleansing by the ChiComs.

I am not looking for praise from the ChiComs and their lackeys. If you praised me on this topic, I would be very fearful about what I did wrong.


45 posted on 03/26/2008 10:38:42 AM PDT by indcons (The civilized world must boycott the 2008 Genocide Olympics.)
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To: Dr. Marten

Do you have links or should I just proceed to nonsensicalhistorybyDrMarten.com?


46 posted on 03/26/2008 10:40:24 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Truth : Liberals :: Kryptonite : Superman)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Re: It’s not Chinese propaganda, it’s HISTORY.

If that’s the case, then it shouldn’t be too difficult to come up with some links now, should it?

No, probably not. But my knowledge of history comes from textbooks, not the internet. If you want links, I'm sure you can Google the information you're looking for.

Try Wikipedia.

After the Mongol Köden took control of the Kokonor region in 1239, he sent his general, Doorda Darqan, on a reconnaissance mission into Tibet in 1240 to investigate the possibility of attacking Song China from the west. During this expedition the Kadampa monasteries of Rwa-sgreng and Rgyal-lha-khang were burned and 500 people were killed. The death of Ögödei the Mongol Qaghan in 1241 brought Mongol military activity around the world temporarily to a halt. Mongol interests in Tibet resumed in 1244 when Köden sent an invitation to Bengali scholar Sakya Pandit'ta, the leader of the Sakya sect, to come to his capital and formally surrender Tibet to the Mongols. Sakya Pandi'ta arrived in Kokonor with his two nephews Drogön Chögyal Phagpa ('Phags-pa; 1235-80) and Chana Dorje (Phyag-na Rdo-rje; 1239-67) in 1246. This event marks the incorporation of Tibet into China, according to modern Chinese historians.[citation needed] Pro-Tibetan historians argue that China and Tibet remained two separate units within the Mongol Empire.[citation needed] It may be more accurate, however, to characterize this as both China and Tibet being incorporated into the Mongol Empire, which became known as the Yuan Dynasty. During the Yuan Dynasty, the Mongolians conquered China. The Han Chinese was discriminated against that the Mongol Khubilai employed only Tibetans, Uyghurs, and other non-Chinese foreigners to rule over the majority—-the Han Chinese. In a delicate balance aimed at ruling both territories while preserving Mongol identity, Khubilai prohibited Mongols from marrying Chinese, but left both the Chinese and Tibetan legal and administrative systems intact.[43] Tibet never adopted the Chinese system of exams nor Neo-Confucian policies.


47 posted on 03/26/2008 10:40:28 AM PDT by Dr. Marten (http://thehorsesmouth.blog-city.com)
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To: Dr. Marten

“BTW, I thought name calling was a liberal tactic?”

I wasn’t aware that you consider genocide and ethnic cleansing to be conservative/American ideal. So, spare me this nonsense about “liberal tactics.”

If anything, your friends, the ChiComs, are much closer to liberal thought than any other ideology.


48 posted on 03/26/2008 10:41:27 AM PDT by indcons (The civilized world must boycott the 2008 Genocide Olympics.)
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To: Dr. Marten

Sorry, but wikipedia’s reliability is suspect, especially with China employing many people on computers within the country to spread misinformation.

In January 1913 a bilateral treaty was signed between Tibet and Mongolia at Urga. In that treaty both countries declared themselves free and separate from China.

The Thirteenth Dalai Lama, having returned from India i.n January 1913, issued a formal declaration of the complete independence of Tibet, dated the eighth day of the first month of the Water-Ox year (March 1913). The document also clarified:

“Now the Chinese intention of colonising Tibet under the patron-priest relationship has faded like a rainbow in the sky”.

The Thirteenth Dalai Lama started international relations, introduced modern postal and telegraph services and, despite the turbulent period in which he ruled, introduced measures to modernise Tibet. On December 17, 1933 he passed away.

The following year a Chinese mission arrived in Lhasa to offer condolences, but in fact they tried to settle the Sino-Tibetan border issue. After the chief delegate left, another Chinese delegate remained to continue discussions. The Chinese delegation was permitted to remain in Lhasa on the same footing as the Nepalese and Indian representatives until he was expelled in 1949.

In September 1949, Communist China, without any provocation, invaded Eastern Tibet and captured Chamdo, the headquarters of the Governor of Eastern Tibet. On November 11, 1950, the Tibetan Government protested to the United Nations Organisation against the Chinese aggression. Although El Salvador raised the question, the Steering Committee of the General Assembly moved to postpone the issue.

On November 17, 1950, His Holiness the Fourteenth Dalai Lama assumed full spiritual and temporal powers as the Head of State because of the grave crisis facing the country, although he was barely sixteen years old. On May 23, 1951 a Tibetan delegation, which had gone to Peking to hold talks on the invasion, was forced to sign the so-called “17-point Agreement on Measures for the Peaceful Liberation of Tibet”, with threats of more military action in Tibet and by forging the official seals of Tibet.

The Chinese then used this document to carry out their plans to turn Tibet into a colony of China disregarding the strong resistance by the Tibetan people. What is more, the Chinese violated every article of this unequal ‘treaty’ which they had imposed on the Tibetans.

On September 9, 1951 thousands of Chinese troops marched into Lhasa. The forcible occupation of Tibet was marked by systematic destruction of monasteries, suppression of religion, denial of political freedom, widespread arrests and imprisonment and massacre of innocent men, women and children.

On March 10, 1959 the nation-wide Tibetan resistance culminated in the Tibetan National Uprising against the Chinese in Lhasa. The Chinese retaliated with a ruthlessness unknown to the Tibetans. Thousands of men, women and children were massacred in the streets and many more imprisoned and deported. Monks and nuns were a prime target. Monasteries and temples were shelled.

On March 17, 1959 the Dalai Lama left Lhasa and escaped from the pursuing Chinese to seek political asylum in India. He was followed by unprecedented exodus of Tibetans into exile. Never before in their history had so many Tibetans been forced to leave their homeland under such difficult circumstances. There are now more than one hundred thousand Tibetan refugees all over the world.

It has been almost 40 years since Chinese occupied Tibet and the destruction of a unique

Culture is still going on Tibet, yet the world has not come in aid of Tibet, only lip service.

http://www.friends-of-tibet.org.nz/tibet.html


49 posted on 03/26/2008 10:42:27 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Truth : Liberals :: Kryptonite : Superman)
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To: Dr. Marten

The same source also mentions that prior to the Mongol conquest, Tibet was always an independent country. After the Mongol conquest, they were both ruled by the Mongols as “colonies” or protectorates as the case might be.

Your argument is akin to the Canadians claiming control over the USA because both countries were ruled by the same colonial power a while ago....LOL


50 posted on 03/26/2008 10:44:09 AM PDT by indcons (The civilized world must boycott the 2008 Genocide Olympics.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

China thinks they can control world media like they control their drones at home. Sorry china you are a backward nation and do not understand the nature or free speech and the right to assemble. It wont work. All we see is the PRC controlled nation and brainwashed drones.


51 posted on 03/26/2008 10:57:09 AM PDT by MARKUSPRIME
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To: MARKUSPRIME

or=of

bloody typos


52 posted on 03/26/2008 10:57:35 AM PDT by MARKUSPRIME
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To: Red in Blue PA; indcons

The same source also mentions that prior to the Mongol conquest, Tibet was always an independent country. After the Mongol conquest, they were both ruled by the Mongols as “colonies” or protectorates as the case might be.

Your argument is akin to the Canadians claiming control over the USA because both countries were ruled by the same colonial power a while ago....LOL

The Yuan and Qing dynasties were both "foreign" rule over China, but it is Chinese history because it was during the Yuan time period that the independent states [of China] were unified for the first time since the Qin and with the exception of Outer Mongolia, China has maintained the same geographic borders under ONE CHINA.
 
As I said, I don't get my history from the internet. I suggest you pick up a copy of the Cambridge History of China. Hell, you might even give Jonathan Spence's, "The Search For Modern China" a read.
 
Again, your ridiculous claim that I'm a "Chicom" sympathizer is completely laughable - one look at my website reveals otherwise; that's why it was banned by China's censors.
 
If you'd like to continue this discussion, then I'd suggest you stop with the insults because I don't have the time for childish nonsense.
 
 

53 posted on 03/26/2008 10:59:11 AM PDT by Dr. Marten (http://thehorsesmouth.blog-city.com)
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To: Red in Blue PA
http://www.friends-of-tibet.org.nz/tibet.html
 
Haha. How comical that you cite wikipedia as being biased (which is a fair statement), but then you site "Friends of Tibet" as an unbiased source?

54 posted on 03/26/2008 11:01:20 AM PDT by Dr. Marten (http://thehorsesmouth.blog-city.com)
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To: Dr. Marten

What in that link is untrue. It is not in the interests of those who wish for a free Tibet to spread misinformation.

I’ll be waiting for all of the errors/sarc


55 posted on 03/26/2008 11:07:01 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Truth : Liberals :: Kryptonite : Superman)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Ha. I’m not going to waste time picking it apart.
Don’t expect me to post unbiased sources, if you’re not going to do the same.

Given that you’re the one who posted that link, it’s up to you to find an unbiased source to support that information.


56 posted on 03/26/2008 11:15:52 AM PDT by Dr. Marten (http://thehorsesmouth.blog-city.com)
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To: Red in Blue PA

What in that link is untrue. It is not in the interests of those who wish for a free Tibet to spread misinformation.

 

Oh no, of course not. Hahahaha.

The same could more easily be said about the Cambridge history of China.

I'll be waiting for your unbiased / academic sourcres.

57 posted on 03/26/2008 11:18:02 AM PDT by Dr. Marten (http://thehorsesmouth.blog-city.com)
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To: Dr. Marten

A better analogy for Tibet would be if the native American nations want to go independent from the United States. The Tibetans can choose the way of Geronimo, and they will get the same fate as he did.

The problem with China is that there is not a system where the common folks can address their grievances.


58 posted on 03/26/2008 11:18:55 AM PDT by Fishing-guy
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To: Dr. Marten

“...that’s why it was banned by China’s censors”

Why? You are both on the same page when it comes to Tibet’s very legitimate struggle for independence.

“...I’d suggest you stop with the insults because I don’t have the time for childish nonsense”

Give me a break - you started with the liberal comparisons.

“The Yuan and Qing dynasties were both ‘foreign’ rule over China, but it is Chinese history because it was during the Yuan time period that the independent states [of China] were unified for the first time...”

By that logic, the constituent colonies should necessarily be independent countries (as they were prior to the Mongol conquest). If they want to be in a ChiCom federation, that’s their right. However, we are not talking about a voluntary union here but a continuation of the colonization by the ChiComs.


59 posted on 03/26/2008 11:21:05 AM PDT by indcons (The civilized world must boycott the 2008 Genocide Olympics.)
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To: Fishing-guy

A better analogy for Tibet would be if the native American nations want to go independent from the United States. The Tibetans can choose the way of Geronimo, and they will get the same fate as he did.

The problem with China is that there is not a system where the common folks can address their grievances.

 

Agreed and well said.

60 posted on 03/26/2008 11:28:32 AM PDT by Dr. Marten (http://thehorsesmouth.blog-city.com)
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