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1 posted on 04/04/2008 8:02:27 AM PDT by blam
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To: SunkenCiv

GGG Ping.


2 posted on 04/04/2008 8:02:48 AM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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Martin Bernal is an English Marxist (born in London) whose real specialty is China, not the Bronze Age Aegean. No reputable Minoan scholars have gone along with his African theory of Minoan origins.

There have been earlier suggestions that the Minoans are related to people in western Asia Minor. There are some similar place names in Crete (words with -ss- like Tylissos) to places in Asia Minor (e.g. Halicarnassus).

3 posted on 04/04/2008 8:11:23 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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Martin Bernal? Wasn't he the author of “Black Athena”. I read 2 volumes of that.

I didn't have the expertise to evaluate most of what he wrote, but what I did have the knowledge to evaluate was all wrong, completely. So I made my judgment on what I did know. What a load of steaming crap!!

4 posted on 04/04/2008 8:13:25 AM PDT by chesley (Where's the omelet? -- Orwell)
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I thought Anatolia was mostly Turkey?


7 posted on 04/04/2008 8:37:09 AM PDT by Boblo
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Someone - Buy this guy an atlas, quick.

"Anatolia – modern-day Iran, Iraq and Syria"

8 posted on 04/04/2008 8:43:01 AM PDT by VanShuyten ("Ah! but it was something to have at least a choice of nightmares.")
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Crete's fabled Minoan civilization was built by people from Anatolia, according to a new study by Greek and foreign scientists that disputes an earlier theory that said the Minoans' forefathers had come from Africa.
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11 posted on 04/04/2008 9:25:06 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_____________________Profile updated Saturday, March 29, 2008)
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Anatolia? You’d have to stretch that a tad, to include Iraq, Iran and Syria. I suppose a small overlap could be argued but at best the writer is confusing things.


12 posted on 04/04/2008 9:38:19 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (And how 'bout that mortgage bailout? Are you getting off the hook? Or on?)
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Perhaps nailing down the geographic origin will help scholars decipher the Minoan language.


13 posted on 04/04/2008 9:39:30 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (And how 'bout that mortgage bailout? Are you getting off the hook? Or on?)
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The Prehistoric Archaeology of the Aegean
Lesson 18: The Nature and Extent of
Neopalatial Minoan Influence
in the Aegean and Eastern Mediterranean Worlds
Aegean Connections With Egypt
In The Amarna Period (ca. 1360-1340 B.C.)

Trustees of Dartmouth College
revised Friday, March 18, 2000
During the reign of the heretical pharoah Akhenaten (= Amenhotep IV), the capital of Egypt was moved downstream from Thebes to the new city of Akhetaten (= modern Tell el-Amarna). This city was only occupied from ca. 1352-1338 B.C., and the large quantities of Mycenaean pottery found within it are therefore supplied with a fairly precise absolute date. The almost complete absence of Minoan pottery at Amarna is one indication of Mycenaean mercantile dominance within the Aegean at this time. More significant is the Mycenaean character of the settlements which have by this time replaced sites characterized until the end of the LM IB period (ca. 1500 B.C.) by Minoan cultural remains at Trianda on Rhodes, Ayia Irini on Keos, Phylakopi on Melos, and Miletus and Iasos in Asia Minor.

20 posted on 04/05/2008 8:04:34 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_____________________Profile updated Saturday, March 29, 2008)
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Their findings just confirm what most were theorizing to begin with, that Neolithic farmers into Europe originated from Anatolia & the Near East, not sub-Sahara Africa. Here is the actual paper for anyone interested:

Differential Y-chromosome Anatolian Influences on the Greek and Cretan Neolithic
R. J. King11, S. S. Özcan22, T. Carter33, E. Kalfoğlu22, S. Atasoy22, C. Triantaphyllidis44, A. Kouvatsi44, A. A. Lin55, C-E. T. Chow55, L. A. Zhivotovsky66, M. Michalodimitrakis77 and P. A. Underhill5,*5
The earliest Neolithic sites of Europe are located in Crete and mainland Greece. A debate persists concerning whether these farmers originated in neighboring Anatolia and the role of maritime colonization. To address these issues 171 samples were collected from areas near three known early Neolithic settlements in Greece together with 193 samples from Crete. An analysis of Y-chromosome haplogroups determined that the samples from the Greek Neolithic sites showed strong affinity to Balkan data, while Crete shows affinity with central/Mediterranean Anatolia. Haplogroup J2b-M12 was frequent in Thessaly and Greek Macedonia while haplogroup J2a-M410 was scarce. Alternatively, Crete, like Anatolia showed a high frequency of J2a-M410 and a low frequency of J2b-M12. This dichotomy parallels archaeobotanical evidence, specifically that while bread wheat (Triticum aestivum) is known from Neolithic Anatolia, Crete and southern Italy; it is absent from earliest Neolithic Greece. The expansion time of YSTR variation for haplogroup E3b1a2-V13, in the Peloponnese was consistent with an indigenous Mesolithic presence. In turn, two distinctive haplogroups, J2a1h-M319 and J2a1b1-M92, have demographic properties consistent with Bronze Age expansions in Crete, arguably from NW/W Anatolia and Syro-Palestine, while a later mainland (Mycenaean) contribution to Crete is indicated by relative frequencies of V13.

Differential Y-chromosome Anatolian Influences on the Greek and Cretan Neolithic

"The dating of the halogroup J2a1h-M319 in Crete is placed at 3100BC. The importance of these results in archeology is very valuable for the historians, since it marks the limits between the Neolithic and the broze age in Crete, which is related to a sequence of important changes in the organization of the social services, the demographics, the material culture, the technology, the iconography and the burial rites. Many researchers suggested that the arrival of the new settlers was responsible for those changes; a social/cultural ressurection from which the famous Minoan civilization rised. Those new impressive characteristics that are connected with the early bronze age in crete have been previously proposed to originate from Egypt, Libya, Syra, Palestine, eastern Aegean an Anatolia. Contrary to the theory that the minoan civilization was a result of settlers from Egypt and Libya, the majority of the halogroups e3b1-m78 is characterized from the monocleuid marker V13, in Crete and equally in the mainland of Greece. In the samples however from Egypt this marker was not found. This shows that there was no genetic contact between Egypt and Crete/Greek Mainland. In other words, the Helladic area was not invaded by Egyptian populations as the DNA analysis show, but by settlers from Anatolia. Those results disprove the Afrocentric theory or Black Athina, which was presented by some scientists of questionable nature."

As for trying to decypher the Minoan language, I say good luck with that, there is even less we know about the ancient Anatolian languages now long lost, then we do of Minoan.

Anatolia (Greek: Ανατολία, Anatolía) (Turkish: Anadolu) is a geographic region bounded by the Black Sea to the north, the Mediterranean Sea to the south, the Aegean Sea to the west, and the bulk of the Asian mainland to the east. The name Anatolia comes from the Greek Aνατολή (Αnatolí), "(sun)Rise," or Ανατολία (Anatolía), "(land) of the sunrise" or simply the "East."[1] It likely dates back at least 3000 years, from the Ionian settlement period circa the 1st millennium BC. (See also Ionian League). Because of its strategic location at the intersection of Asia and Europe, Anatolia has been the center of many civilizations since prehistoric times.
Anatolia composite:NASA

26 posted on 04/08/2008 8:27:11 PM PDT by peterpaul12345
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Soros funded pimp “researchers” won’t be happy


27 posted on 04/11/2008 10:11:31 AM PDT by eleni121 (EN TOUTO NIKA!! +)
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Bernal-—the idiot who uses his lefty ideology to direct his “research” (Black Athena...and other claptrap)


29 posted on 04/11/2008 10:26:16 AM PDT by eleni121 (EN TOUTO NIKA!! +)
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