Posted on 04/08/2008 7:12:23 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
APRIL 8--Forced marriage and sexual abuse were "pervasive" inside the Texas compound of a polygamist sect raided last week by investigators, according to child welfare officials seeking custody of more than 400 children removed from the religious group's sprawling YFZ Ranch. In a harrowing District Court affidavit, a Child Protective Services investigator charged that the children were placed in risk of "emotional, physical and/or sexual abuse" at the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints facility, where female children were groomed to "accept spiritual marriages to adult male members of the YFZ Ranch resulting in them being sexually abused." Similarly, investigator Lynn McFadden noted, young men on the YFZ Ranch were "spiritually married to minor female children," with whom they engaged in sexual relationships, becoming, in the process, sexual "perpetrators." The McFadden affidavit, which was filed today in court, was provided to TSG by the San Angelo Standard-Times. A copy of the document can be found below. The government raid on the compound was triggered after a 16-year-old mother called a family violence center and reported that she had been abused by her 50-year-old husband and was seeking help in departing the property, according to the affidavit. The girl, who has yet to be located, identified her abuser as Dale Barlow, a 50-year-old registered sex offender who pleaded no contest last year to conspiring to have sex with a minor.
[6 page affidavit included on website, here.]
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Again, this group was NEVER Christian. They’ve borrowed the name of JESUS CHRIST ~ that’s all.
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Say, $600 per month times 5 children by differing sperm donors equals $3,000 per month for the 'Hood. Hmmmm less expenses, still a lot of loot. Beats working.
This is NOT Church of the Firstborn. Ervil LeBaron was a different sect of Mormonism from the FLDS. Doesn’t take much research to discover this.
It's short for NEWBIE - a NEW person who hasn't been on FR very long.
Sometimes a term of derision, because many Newbie's seem to be folks that were contacted by an acquanitence of their's to "go to FR and signup" just so they can add THEIR two cents on a certain subject; then they are never seen again in these threads.
I say, "Welcome aboard!"
You'll find we are all opinionated! ;^)
[why else would we BE here?]
“Later that night, John was attacked by a bear...”
(I’ll bet you may have taken my picture on the NEW.)
IMO the great fear lurking in the back of all of this is the 'doomsday' scenario where the elders, not wanting to go to jail, pull a 'Jonestown.' I think that the physical safety (removal) of the children (and the willing to leave adult women) is the priority. Then everything else gets sorted out.
As to what constitutes 'journalism' today. Well, I think we now have intered the text message era of literacy.
And we haven't even addressed what should amount to massive welfare fraud that supported the 'compound.'
Because he was not there. He has been living in Arizona, not Texas. Of course the alleged witness that called CPS, the 16 year old girl that nobody can find, would have known in her "calls to an unnamed family violence shelter" that the guy listed in the warrant has not been living there and reports he does not know any such person. Arizona authorities also report that he has been living in Arizona.
But whomever did make the calls to "an unnamed family violence shelter" not CPS as was first reported did not know he is actually living in Arizona. What that actual facts are so far is the guy in the warrant doesn't live there and the witness that called it in can't be found even though she is supposed to be living there as well.
Pretty thin for a warrant and a good lawyer could have a field day with this.
Even in the early days of LDS polygamy, men had wives set=up in different towns. I’m always surprised by posts like yours that suggest that because a man has a residence in a different State, he cannot simply be making circuit visits to his young wives deposited at various sites in the West (and even Canada).
Then again, I come from a long line of Mormon polygamists, and so I understand it pretty well.
I grew up in a very orthodox family, full of the usual stories about “the Prophet,” his greatness, and all he did.
I learned how the Mormons had been badly persecuted, and how everyone who spoke against the church was a “liar.” So many liars. So very many liars.
I was told that Joseph Smith had numerous wives. But I was told the sanitized version, with “marriages” that did not involve sex, 14 year old girls, the wives of other men, and a life of lying, cheating, and skulking around from bed to bed.
I was even taught most of the problems were Emma’s fault. She was the “weaker vessel,” who could not come to terms with the Lord’s program. She was so weak, I was taught, she left the fold when Joseph died. Brigham Young said “Joseph will have to go into hell to get her.”
Whatever.
On my mission, I was constantly asked about polygamy. I gave the standard answers. I believed them myself. I could not understand it, but it “came from the Lord.”
The first sense of just how awful it all was came years after later, when I read “The Giant Joshua,” Maurine Whipple’s novel about early Mormonism and polygamy in St. George. I first learned about the way arrangements were made, and how they were enforced——”blood atonement.”
It made me question. I was not taught this. It sounded awful, but it made sense. How else could the stupid and pathetic practice of polygamy be enforced? It had to involve threats.
I have since read the good books about Mormon polygamy. That includes “Under the Banner of Heaven,” ‘Tell it All,” and “Wife No. 19.” It hit me very hard. Polygamy, as practiced by Warren Jeffs, is the same kind of polygamy practiced by Joseph Smith and Brigham Young. It did not change at all. The same methods used by the early church are used now. To make it work, you must remove all freedom from the women. They must become property.
Women were, and are, chattel. Girls are married off young, and assigned to the role of slaking the lust of 50 year old lechers who should be arrested and castrated. They are not patriarchs, they are child molesters. They operate under the guise of the ‘holy Priesthood,” which is just an excuse to pick and choose the nubile girls. Some sacred authority that is.
The whole thing is sick. It is beyond pathetic. But it goes on and on and on. Joseph Smith started it, and it never would go away. It took on a life of its own, and became a huge monster that cannot be controlled. One man’s desire for sexual experimentation led to hundreds of ruined lives, child molestation, and a sick, sick theology. How utterly nauseating it is.
I cannot stand to hear Mormons talk about it now. “We will practice it in the Celestial Kingdom,” or “It will come back when we are worthy,”
Can’t these dopes figure it out? It is not holy, pure, or moral. It is just sick. It has, at least done one thing. It has prevented the Mormon church from ever having a shot at being mainstream.
Now that I see things clearly, I am disgusted by Joseph Smith and Brigham Young. What they did was wrong, and there are no two ways about it. Anytime I hear someone say that Smith is a prophet of God, I am sick. Will Mormons ever be able to see that Joseph Smith was no different than Warren Jeffs? How can they, in their minds, justify that Smith is a prophet of God, and what happened at this polygamist compound is something entirely different? I hope it makes some Mormons stop and think about the true history of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
And don't forget that those lawyers that are hired will be paid by the welfare generated bank accounts that all those single mothers/illegitimate children produced over the years.
I think it was Smith who said the magic words to attract them ~ "I have gold plates" ~ and there they were.
Check out that group in Ohio some time ~ you know the ones ~ the question of the "golden dagger". Another group in Colorado had a similar problem with a claim of old Mormon gold.
These people were NOT originally Mormons, didn't buy into the theology, and served to provide no end of trouble to the Mormon core group ~ which they still do.
You can be surprised all you like, but it will not have any bearing on a good law office turning the warrant into confetti if the circumstances I outlined turn out to be factual. All evidence could be disallowed and the lawsuits will be a'flyin by hey, it is only taxpayer money.
Bull. All they have to do is show DNA evidence that the man residing in Arizona was raping and impregnating the girl while visiting in Texas, all under the auspices of the “community” and the law enforcers have a heck of an airtight case!
It is you who hasn’t done his/her research. The Church of the Firstborn/LeBaron crowd were offshoots of the United Apostolic Brethren/Allred group and NOT the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
Here’s a link. Read it a reap the harvest of the LDS Church, Joseph Smith, and Wilford Woodruff. Do your own ‘homework.’
http://www.mormonfundamentalism.com/_borders/Collage-w-yellow%20lightened.gif
It's the same da*ned families over and over and over all the way back to the beginning of the 18th century ~ in Texas and New England and Pennsylvania.
Joseph Smith was a "newcomer" when it came to polygamist groups in what had become the United States of his time.
” I don’t think that many posters here seem angry enough at what is happening to these children. This is very disturbing.”
Welcome to the world of cults.
That would be a separate investigation/separate issue. It would not affect the rules of evidence that apply to materials-objects-devices that were obtained during the course of the raid. Basically they would have to "start from scratch" to do what you suggest. It does not mean it can not be done, it's just a separate issue if the warrant is tossed.
As far as what the LEO obtained during the raid (files photos computers etc) all of that can be directly affected (thrown out) if the warrant bounces.
Castrate the POSes, and toss them into the toughest Texas prison known (then give each a slippery bar of soap for their first shower with heavily-endowed Bubba, Billy Bob, Dezwan and Deshawn)
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