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ATF Agents Burst Into Wrong House (again...)
NBC6 ^ | 04-10-08 | staff

Posted on 04/10/2008 8:06:37 AM PDT by woollyone

MIAMI -- Officers from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives barged into a South Florida home Wednesday only to discover they had the wrong address.

The ATF agents were supposed to conduct a raid at a home in the 2600 block of Northwest 49th Terrace in northwest Miami-Dade County, but they were off by one block. They entered a house on Northwest 49th Street instead.

A mother and her 2-year-old boy were among the innocent people inside the home when the agents came in


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: atf; banglist; batfe; beserkcop; bootthebatfe; donutwatch; jackbootedthugs; jbt; leo; noknock; police; policestate; swat
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To: ModelBreaker
So it's easy to criticize--I've done my share of criticizing ATF. But how do you avoid this? Do you send officers into unknown situations without scary looking flak jackets and helmets? Do you give bad guys 30 seconds warning to pick up their guns? Do you politely request permission to enter?

How about serve the warrant (if they have one) with a knock on the door? They used to do that back when we had a more civilized government.

101 posted on 04/10/2008 10:28:18 AM PDT by zeugma (FedGov has no intention of actually doing anything to secure this nation. It's all a power grab.)
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To: TXnMA
Not even a smattering of liberal, gun-hating, fear-mongering, over-the-top hyperbole in that one, eh...?

Not a bit. Do you know much about the gang culture and capabilities in CA, AZ, NM, TX? I do.

BTW, I carry concealed with a permit. So don't assume that I support gun control just because I note a fact--and a fact it is--about the unpleasant tendency of very powerful weaponry to find its way into the hands of very bad people. It does. I just don't happen to think that should be an excuse to disarm honest citizens, which is the goal of the lefties in any event.

102 posted on 04/10/2008 10:30:11 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: Joe Brower; neverdem; All

Well... if less of these guys happen to return home after a ‘mission’, who’s to say legislators won’t push for more gun bans, to ‘make their job safer’?


103 posted on 04/10/2008 10:30:36 AM PDT by wastedyears (The US Military is what goes Bump in the night.)
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To: DuncanWaring

Thanks for posting that!


104 posted on 04/10/2008 10:35:37 AM PDT by woollyone (entropy extirpates evolution and conservation confirms the Creator blessed forever.)
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To: xone

***When their paycheck comes from the Feds.***

It doesn’t already?


105 posted on 04/10/2008 10:38:31 AM PDT by wastedyears (The US Military is what goes Bump in the night.)
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To: ModelBreaker
“In today's world, every encounter with a citizen is scary. It's hard to stay alive and not be uber-cautious because the country is full of psychopaths with RPG’s.”

Um...will you kindly cite a brief list of examples (at least two!) of citizens armed with “Rocket Propelled Grenades”?

106 posted on 04/10/2008 10:40:59 AM PDT by woollyone (entropy extirpates evolution and conservation confirms the Creator blessed forever.)
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To: rickomatic
I'm sorry. But that type of sentiment scares the hell out of me. What in the world have we become?

We've become a nation full of bad guys armed to the teeth, who shoot at cops. These cops made a mistake, a big one and should pay consequences. But you don't pussyfoot on raids. The idea is to get in with lots of bodies and guns and to have the suspects controlled before any of them even touches a gun. It usually works. When it does, noone gets hurt and bad guys usually get caught. When it doesn't, cops get killed.

The problem with the sanctimonious moralizing going on in this thread is that the cops don't know, in advance, to know whether they are encountering a house full of sleeping people or a bunch of freaks on meth who playing with their guns. Everyone makes mistakes and this was a bad one. But I would never ask our police to enforce our laws in a manner that puts them at unnecessary risk. Pussyfooting on a raid does just that.

When the cops mess up like on this one, innocent folks can be hurt. Thank God they didn't this time. I regard that as the joint fault of the cops who made the mistake and the bad guys, who have made cops lives so dangerous. Police raids didn't used to be like this. There's a reason they have changed.

107 posted on 04/10/2008 10:41:00 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: Wonder Warthog

How would you feel if they ‘accidentally’ busted into your home, when their target was up the street?


108 posted on 04/10/2008 10:43:41 AM PDT by wastedyears (The US Military is what goes Bump in the night.)
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To: woollyone
Um...will you kindly cite a brief list of examples (at least two!) of citizens armed with “Rocket Propelled Grenades”?

I personally know of more than that where they were not only citizens, they were also bad guys, some were even here in the country illegally (big shock). Also, of course, the usual array of automatic weaponry, even automatic shotguns.

109 posted on 04/10/2008 10:44:28 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: zeugma
How about serve the warrant (if they have one) with a knock on the door? They used to do that back when we had a more civilized government.

And a more civilized bunch of residents. We have 20 million illegals here, a substantial portion of which are members of one organized crime cartel or another. We have home growns who are just as bad.

I really don't see the increasing caution by the police as being something they sought. I see it as a reaction to the changes that have occurred in our nation in my lifetime. They suck.

110 posted on 04/10/2008 10:47:44 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: RandallFlagg

Looks like I should purchase that book.


111 posted on 04/10/2008 10:47:46 AM PDT by wastedyears (The US Military is what goes Bump in the night.)
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To: woollyone

At least the house didn’t burn to the ground.


112 posted on 04/10/2008 10:51:08 AM PDT by hattend (Conservo Tribe Name: Soars with Eagles aka We're so screwed)
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To: SeaHawkFan
How about just arresting the suspects when they are out on the street where you can simply walk up behind them and grab them.

Excellent suggestion. That is where intelligence comes in. They have to go to the local mini-market for a pack of smokes and can of Colt 45 at some point, don't they?

The trouble is, they don't get to play "Commando" and shoot up the place, so it will never happen.

113 posted on 04/10/2008 10:51:42 AM PDT by Mr. Quarterpanel (I am not an actor, but I play one on TV)
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To: jonascord

Every single one of the Founding Fathers, from those first legislators, to those men who were eagerly waiting in bars and taverns for news, are rolling in their graves.

Like somebody on here once said, the Founding Fathers rolling in their graves is an incredible source of untapped energy.


114 posted on 04/10/2008 10:54:30 AM PDT by wastedyears (The US Military is what goes Bump in the night.)
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To: oldfart

Recent congressionally passed law, now repealed, may have explicitly given this authority to the President. HR5122 also known as the John Warner Defense Authorization Act was signed by the president on Oct 17, 2006 John Warner National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2007. Section 1076 Text of Hr5122 is titled “Use of the Armed Forces in major public emergencies”. Removing the legalese from the text, and combining multiple sentences, it provides that: The President may employ the armed forces to restore public order in any State of the United States the President determines hinders the execution of laws or deprives people of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law or opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws. The actual text is on page 322-323 of the legislation. As of 2008, these changes were repealed, changing the text of the law back to the original 1807 wording.

Got this from Wikipedia.


115 posted on 04/10/2008 10:59:02 AM PDT by Sertorius (A hayseed with no Greek and dam^ proud of it)
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To: Pete98

“My question is if they’re going to act like this, at what point do they become a true military force and fall under posse comitatus restrictions?”

Now THAT’S an interesting question.


116 posted on 04/10/2008 11:03:19 AM PDT by dljordan
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To: NonValueAdded
... the folks at NW 49th Terrace are saying “thank you, Jesus” as they head for Georgia.

... where a single warrant for Peach Street covers the entire state.

117 posted on 04/10/2008 11:15:24 AM PDT by kitchen (Any day without a fair tax thread is a good day.)
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To: NonValueAdded
Sovereign immunity would probably save their bacon but if the abuse was blatant enough...

Saved Lon Horiuchi's bacon, and his abuse was pretty blatant.

118 posted on 04/10/2008 11:17:50 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: ModelBreaker

How do you prevent the stormtruppen kicking in the doors of innocent Americans who are blocks away from the target site ? How about having cops who can read a address on a warrant,a street map, street signs,the address on the house/mailbox as a minimum .


119 posted on 04/10/2008 11:24:19 AM PDT by Nebr FAL owner (.308 reach out & thump someone .50 cal.Browning Machine gun reach out & crush someone)
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To: Minutemen
ATF = "Always Think Forfeiture"

/jasper

120 posted on 04/10/2008 11:27:46 AM PDT by Jasper (Stand Fast, Craigellachie!!)
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