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NATO allies turn down Bush request
The Euphrosynos Cafe ^ | 04-13-08 | Desto

Posted on 04/13/2008 9:57:17 AM PDT by gimmeone

The only true ethnic Macedonians are Greeks. Slavs who speak a Bulgarian dialect where told by the Communists that they were the ethnic kin of ancient Macednionans in the Cold War attempt to steal Greek land and create a warm water port for Stalin.

I don't how the USA can justify once being against the creation of these fake Slavs called 'Macedonians' and now the USA supports them.

That is why America is hated - she is not hated for her freedoms but for her tendency to be a 'two-faced' nation in diplomacy. To say one thing and do another. To hold one position at a point in time and then take the exact oppositte position later on.

See below for what the State Dept. once said:

Foreign Relations Vol. VIII, 868.014 / 26 Dec. 1944

"The Department has noted increasing propaganda rumors and semi-official statements in favor of an autonomous Macedonia, emanating principally from Bulgaria, but also from Yugoslav Partisan and other sources, with the implication that Greek territory would be included in the projected state. This Government (of USA) considers talk of Macedonian "nation", Macedonian "Fatherland", or Macedonian "national consciousness" to be unjustified demagoguery representing no ethnic, nor political reality, and sees in its present revival a possible cloak for aggressive intentions against Greece. The approved policy of this Government is to oppose any revival of the Macedonian issue as related to Greece. The Greek section of Macedonia is largely inhabited by Greeks, and the Greek people are almost unanimously opposed to the creation of a Macedonian state. Allegations of serious Greek participation in any such agitation can be assumed to be false. This Government (of USA) would regard as responsible any Government or group of Governments tolerating or encouraging menacing or aggressive acts of "Macedonian forces" against Greece".

U.S. Secretary of State Stettinius

And then see what the State Dept now says


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bush; greece; macedonia; rice

1 posted on 04/13/2008 9:57:18 AM PDT by gimmeone
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To: gimmeone
Well, the explanation is simple. Even national leadership can be ignorant and clueless.
Didn't Dubya refer to islam as "the religion of peace" for the first few years of his administration?
And if the leadership is clueless, what can we expect from Congress and the State Department?

Thankfully, he eventually concluded that we idjits would rather believe our own eyes and ears...

2 posted on 04/13/2008 10:05:36 AM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: gimmeone
That is why America is hated - she is not hated for her freedoms but for her tendency to be a 'two-faced' nation in diplomacy. To say one thing and do another. To hold one position at a point in time and then take the exact oppositte position later on.

I have to say that there is truth in this statement. I think alot of the reasons for this comes from the fact the the two major parties have completely different views on foreign policy and that it is next to impossible to maintain a consistent effort on an issue when our overall foreign policy is subject to change every few years. This gives the impression that the US has a schizophrenic foreign policy, which we do.

3 posted on 04/13/2008 10:09:49 AM PDT by frankiep (Democrats base their ideology on the premise that you are too stupid to do anything for yourself.)
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To: frankiep

Governments take positions that suit the times. Such is the way of the world. One must look at the overall progress toward a long range goal.


4 posted on 04/13/2008 10:17:44 AM PDT by Boblo
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To: gimmeone
Stupidest
International dispute
Ever
5 posted on 04/13/2008 10:19:12 AM PDT by Hoplite
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To: gimmeone

It’s just a name...I don’t recall many protests in Atlanta when Georgia was carved out of the USSR.


6 posted on 04/13/2008 10:34:58 AM PDT by fzx12345 (ACLU DELENDA EST)
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To: fzx12345

The US State of Georgia doesn’t share a border with it’s former Soviet couterpart, nor does it claim territory from it...


7 posted on 04/13/2008 10:55:44 AM PDT by thundrey
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To: fzx12345

You mean to tell me Georgia Tech is now in Moscow? Sheesh.


9 posted on 04/13/2008 10:59:11 AM PDT by 353FMG (Vote for the Candidate who will do the least damage to our country.)
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To: frankiep
Well:
Yes and no.

If true, JWB would not continue "our" support of 'greater albania' and we would not be choosing between three possible candidates equally driven to amnesty for (mexican) illegal aliens. Elites follow elites and rarely their own interpretation of doctrine.

On the other hand; the 1944 citation addresses an entirely different subject than today's "my name and my name only" fiasco:

"The Greek section of Macedonia is largely inhabited by Greeks, and the Greek people are almost unanimously opposed to the creation of a Macedonian state."
...refers to a 'Greater Macedonia" made up of territory from a Slav 'Macedonia' and a Greek 'Macedonia'. It takes a stretch to claim that only one state can use the name Macedonia because the old subject might resurface - unless they are planning against a repeat of Kosova/Albania.

However:
If the Greeks win, and "Macedonia" has to change it's name to "Louise" or some such...
I demand that the state south of California USA be renamed to "West Cesspool", or "Baja del Norte", or simply "Theirs"..."Baja California" infringes on my ethnic rights.

10 posted on 04/13/2008 11:00:05 AM PDT by norton
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To: gimmeone

Original by Destro, not Desto. My bad.


11 posted on 04/13/2008 11:03:24 AM PDT by gimmeone (Hey Patriarch Bartholomew. Lift the criminal siege of the monks of the Esphigmenou Monastery)
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To: Publius6961

True, but this indicates a distinct change in American foreign policy.
When did this change take place?
Upon whose initiative?
If elected, will John McCain continue this policy?
What does Robinson think?


12 posted on 04/13/2008 11:03:24 AM PDT by gimmeone (Hey Patriarch Bartholomew. Lift the criminal siege of the monks of the Esphigmenou Monastery)
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To: buwaya

BTTT

BTW - In the marathon for most annoying nation ever - it appears that the Greeks are currently leading the French by a nose (which is saying something).


13 posted on 04/13/2008 11:05:54 AM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: vbmoneyspender

Well can you blame them because of us they are totally surrounded by Muslim nations.


14 posted on 04/13/2008 11:28:58 AM PDT by peter the great
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To: Hoplite

No, supporting Jihad in Kosovo exceeded this stupidity by the power of two.


15 posted on 04/25/2008 3:42:27 PM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: vbmoneyspender

The Greeks buy our F-16’s, which places them well ahead of the French, imo.


16 posted on 05/07/2008 5:33:27 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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