Democrats on Abortion: Only "Potential" for Life Begins at Conception

LifeSiteNews ^ | 4/14/08 | John Connolly

[Das Outsider]

Obama IS the anti-Christ.

Jo, do you remember that discussion we had a while back about C.S. Lewis's "The Last Battle?"

Are you familiar with the book, Right Cal Gal?

[ryan71]

“They know in their hearts this is wrong.”

I agree and that’s what’s so sick about it. How can self proclaimed Christians not only look the other way but encourage abortion.

Some day, we will all have a lot of explaining to do but these people have the blood of thousands of lives on their hands.

[cpforlife.org]

Pro-Life PING

Please FreepMail me if you want on or off my Pro-Life Ping List.

[moonman]

'She also said she would "continue to do what I can to reduce the number of abortions."'

Continue? Hillary, name one instance when you ever did anything to reduce the number of abortions in America other than you not having another child from Webster Hubbell?

[Das Outsider]

Democratic presidential candidates Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama both tried to downplay their positions on abortion at the Compassion Forum, a nationally televised event at Messiah College on April 13.

Huh...So Democrats are discussing the so-called right to kill the unborn, in a forum on compassion, in an institution--it couldn't have been a better choice--named Messiah College. Well I'll be.

[Mrs. Don-o]

I used to explain it thus t college audiences: whether you believe the human race began 6,000 years ago or 1.75 million years ago, geneticists are convinced that the human race all descends from a single ancestral couple. Human life began with that couple. It is transmitted to a new generation every time fertilization occurs.

[uglybiker]

Actually, there might be something to that.

You'll notice the average Democrat doesn't have a life....

[Mrs. Don-o]

My neighbor in DC used to say “Sure, I’m pro-choice. Choose before you screws.”

[Mrs. Don-o]

Speaking of Messiah: Picture this: Mary conceives in her womb, and then journeys "quickly" to the hill country of Galilee to visit her kinswoman Elizabeth. Elizabeth greets her: "And who am I, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?"

Who is "the Lord" in this picture? What is He? How big is He? Where is He?

[Arrowhead1952]

I dont think anyone can forget this thread posted by you.

Posted on 03/10/2006 5:07:34 PM PST by wagglebee

Abortion Survivor ... Rescued, Redeemed and Running the Good Race

[Das Outsider]

Who is "the Lord" in this picture? What is He? How big is He? Where is He?

Mary was with child (Matthew 1:18, KJV)--not potential child, not fetus. You're right in pointing out that size, location, and the like don't define personhood, but the Roe-Doe gang has a penchant for moving the goalposts on the issue--provided they address it at all.

Are you familiar with the pro-abortion rights arguments from theism/the Bible? Your series of questions really serve as a fairly good challenge to those who would refer to themselves both as Christians and pro-choice.

By any chance, have you read Francis Beckwith's "Politically Correct Death?" It's an older one--1992, I believe--but is as relevant today as it was then.

[Jo Nuvark]

Yes, this is the age of the deceiver and the great imposter as C. S. Lewis portrayed in Shifter from
“The Last Battle”.

[Das Outsider]

Yes, this is the age of the deceiver and the great imposter as C. S. Lewis portrayed in Shifter from “The Last Battle”.

Not to be a stickler, but you're thinking of Puzzle the donkey, an ignorant dupe of Shift the ape. Recall that the simple and trusting Puzzle was the false Aslan and Shift served as his handler.

I don't believe for a nanosecond that Obi-Wanna Snow Me is the Antichrist foretold in Scripture. An antichrist (lowercase)? I would consult St. John's letters, particularly 1 John 2:18, 22 and 4:3.

The very concept of a donkey clothed in a lion's skin posing as a false messiah at the behest of a self-interested and cynical puppetmaster just seems to fit the Obama candidacy--not that I'm attributing Lewis with any kind of gift of prophecy, mind you.

The coincidence, shall we say, is profoundly amusing.

[8mmMauser]

Pinged from Terri Dailies

8mm

[Mrs. Don-o]

The main pro-abortion argument I've heard from self-described Christians is that abortion comes under the category of our "stewardship" or ownership of the rest of Creation.

One pro-abort Presbyterian minister read me that great pro-life Psalm 139, which speaks of the unborn child being the work of the Lord's hands as He "knits the child together" in his mother's womb, and had the nerve to go on from there to argue that abortion is OK!

Why? Because Psalm 8:6 says " You made him [man] ruler over the works of your hands; you put everything under his feet." He took this to mean that God has put all of His creatures "under our feet" to use as we think best, including our children before birth.

I explained to him the basic Biblical distinction between humans and the rest of Creation (of human beings, only, was it said that we are created "in the image and likeness of God," and thus we have a dignity which is above that of a "thing") but he was closed to this distinction. Turns out he was an actual board member of the local Planned Parenthood.

I was appalled.

[Jo Nuvark]

I stand corrected ... again.

Perhaps I’ll just switch to listening mode for a
while. Commenting has resulted in foot in mouth.

OBI-WANNA SNOWME ... Good one!

[<1/1,000,000th%]

I thought the Dems position was that life begins with taxes.

[Das Outsider]

The main pro-abortion argument I've heard from self-described Christians is that abortion comes under the category of our "stewardship" or ownership of the rest of Creation.

Yes, that sounds like one of the more common arguments; that and appeals to a sort of libertarian sense of freedom with regard to "family planning." True Christ-centered family planning is a good thing; planning a child's executions does not fall under that rubric.

One pro-abort Presbyterian minister read me that great pro-life Psalm 139, which speaks of the unborn child being the work of the Lord's hands as He "knits the child together" in his mother's womb, and had the nerve to go on from there to argue that abortion is OK!

A PCUSA minister, I'm betting. That isn't to say all PCUSA Christians are under the same poisonous influence that many of the mainline Protestant denominations and leaders therein have succumbed to. Psalm 139 is a very pro-life psalm, and an elegant one at that.

Why? Because Psalm 8:6 says " You made him [man] ruler over the works of your hands; you put everything under his feet." He took this to mean that God has put all of His creatures "under our feet" to use as we think best, including our children before birth.

Why not after birth? Of course, then we would have to trod our way back to the issue of personhood, and I'm sure this man of the cloth was already in possession of a ten-foot pole. ;)

I explained to him the basic Biblical distinction between humans and the rest of Creation (of human beings, only, was it said that we are created "in the image and likeness of God," and thus we have a dignity which is above that of a "thing") but he was closed to this distinction. Turns out he was an actual board member of the local Planned Parenthood.

The minister cited the eighth Psalm, verse six, but strangely enough missed the preceding verse altogether:

You made him [man] a little lower than the heavenly beings and crowned him with glory and honor.

(Psalm 8:5, New International Version)

Unplanned Nonparenthood--what a surprise! What on Earth are they teaching at some of these seminaries? To my dismay, that was a rhetorical question.