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Illegal immigrants pay billions in taxes
CNN ^ | 04/15/08 | AP

Posted on 04/15/2008 7:48:47 PM PDT by Is2C

NASHVILLE, Tennessee (AP) -- [snip]

The Social Security Administration estimates that about three-quarters of illegal workers pay taxes that contribute to the overall solvency of Social Security and Medicare.

The agency estimates that for 2005, the last year for which figures are available, about $9 billion in taxes was paid on about $75 billion in wages from people who filed W2 forms with incorrect or mismatched data, which would include illegal immigrants who drew paychecks under fake names and Social Security numbers.

Spokesman Mark Hinkle says Social Security does not know how much of the $9 billion can be attributed to illegal immigrants. The number is certainly not 100 percent, but a significant portion probably comes from taxes paid by illegal immigrants.

[snip]

The impact on Social Security is significant, though, because most of that money is never claimed by the people who pay it but instead helps cover retirement checks to legal workers.

Federal law prohibits paying Social Security to illegal immigrants, but the administration factors in both legal and illegal immigration when projecting the trust fund's long-term solvency.

This is especially important as the 78 million-member baby boom generation begins to leave the work force and draw Social Security checks.

[snip]

"Ford, who has studied taxes and immigration, says a majority of economists agree that illegal immigrants are a net benefit for the U.S. economy.

[snip]

He calculates that illegal immigrants contributed $428 billion dollars to the nation's $13.6 trillion gross domestic product in 2006.

[snip]

"If anything we need more immigrants coming into the country, not less, especially with the baby boomers retiring," he said.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: aliens; illegalimmigration; illegals; immigration; socialsecurity; taxes
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To: HiJinx

If an illegal immigrant is later given citizenship or legal status, then they take them off the list of those “illegals” who paid it, and later claimed it, because they are no longer “illegal” and are therefore entitled to claim it. And although they may have paid “something,” they certainly did not pay what the rest of us paid in order to get those benefits.


51 posted on 04/16/2008 3:53:20 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Brilliant; HiJinx
"...no longer “illegal” and are therefore entitled to claim it..."

That ain't how it works.

The SSA makes it really easy to pay SS taxes, but getting the money back requires all kinds of birth certificates, income tax returns, marriage licenses, everything.  I've been there, I know.   Americans are "entitled" to only what they can prove they paid for legally.

Unless of course congress changes things...

52 posted on 04/16/2008 4:19:24 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: RepublitarianRoger2
Except for a job being a political pundit, that is...

Or... A weather man/woman.

53 posted on 04/16/2008 4:29:26 AM PDT by dearolddad (Opinions are like rectums: everybody has one.)
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To: Is2C
And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why our politicians are encouraging illegal immigration.

Maybe for some. For Bush it means a whole "new America". His dream.

THE "NEW AMERICAN"
..........<

We are now one of the largest Spanish-speaking nations in the world. We're a major source of Latin music, journalism and culture.

Just go to Miami, or San Antonio, Los Angeles, Chicago or West New York, New Jersey ... and close your eyes and listen. You could just as easily be in Santo Domingo or Santiago, or San Miguel de Allende.

For years our nation has debated this change -- some have praised it and others have resented it. By nominating me, my party has made a choice to welcome the new America.

Our future cannot be separated from the future of Latin America.

As I speak, we are celebrating the success of democracy in Mexico.

George Bush from a campaign speech in Miami, August 2000.

You can read the speech here.

Here is an excerpt of a good critique of that speech:

In equating our intimate historic bonds to our mother country and to Canada with our ties to Mexico, W. shows a staggering ignorance of the civilizational facts of life. The reason we are so close to Britain and Canada is that we share with them a common historical culture, language, literature, and legal system, as well as similar standards of behavior, expectations of public officials, and so on. My Bush Epiphany By Lawrence Auster

54 posted on 04/16/2008 4:48:30 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: expat_panama

You misunderstood me. If you work as an illegal alien, pay social security taxes, and then become a legal alien, and eventually a citizen, you get social security even though you may not have paid much into the system.

Their analysis only says that if you work as an illegal alien, and pay social security, then you’re not likely to claim it bcause you’re an illegal alien. So the amount the “illegals” pay in dwarfs what the illegals get out. But it doesn’t necessarily dwarf what is paid out if you count those who eventually do get their citizenship and claim the benefits.

And there are some in Congress who want to make all these illegals into citizens.

It’s nothing but an effort to mislead.


55 posted on 04/16/2008 5:50:19 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: HiJinx

NOTED ABOVE “Ford, who has studied taxes and immigration, says a majority of economists agree that illegal immigrants are a net benefit for the U.S. economy.” [snip]

Unless of course they receive legal status before they reach retirement age, at which they can get full Social Security benefits, then where is the “net benefit” to the US economy?


56 posted on 04/16/2008 6:02:32 AM PDT by Kackikat ((No strong national security, and the rest of issues are mute points; chaos ensues.))
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To: HiJinx

I’ve known people who’ve done that. They just get a lower percentage of what they paid in.

You made it sound like we all get ALL that we paid in. Nothing could be further from the truth.


57 posted on 04/16/2008 6:04:58 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: Is2C
And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why our politicians are encouraging illegal immigration.

Just the fact that our government knows and allows illegals to get away with these crimes is just another reason Americans should band together a tell the IRS that WE CITIZENS WILL NOT COMPLY to any tax audits until all 50 million plus illegals are audited first.

58 posted on 04/16/2008 6:13:26 AM PDT by jetson
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To: Is2C

So illegals paid something less than $9 billion to get $211 billion worth of services?

How does this help?

And how much did social security pay out to illegals? We already know several illegals were found with social security disability payouts for their drug addictions.


59 posted on 04/16/2008 10:15:27 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: RavenATB
http://www.numbersusa.com/index

That is exactly the kind of thing that I was looking for! Like I said, I assumed this was BS but I wanted to be prepared for this argument with some facts. This is perfect - thanks.

60 posted on 04/16/2008 3:39:08 PM PDT by Is2C (http://www.persecution.com)
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To: Is2C

FairTax


61 posted on 04/16/2008 3:39:54 PM PDT by purpleraine
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To: Is2C
Illegal immigrants pay billions in taxes

And cost Trillions.

62 posted on 04/16/2008 3:49:34 PM PDT by Doomonyou (Let them eat lead.)
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To: Is2C

Let me help even more...
There are dozens of links to this topic within this one article...
http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/index.php?id=486375

Good one here...
http://www.illegalaliens.us/

Who is luring them here...?
http://www.reportillegals.com/
http://wehirealiens.com/

This one will interest you...
http://illegal.globalincidentmap.com/home.php

http://www.americanpatrol.com/REFERENCE/isacrime.html

http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/kouri/060622
http://www.victimsofillegalaliens.com/
http://www.mothersagainstillegalaliens.org/site/index.php


63 posted on 04/16/2008 6:02:56 PM PDT by RavenATB
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To: Is2C

I’d have to mull it over some more, but the basic thrust is, to me, no different from when the Devil tempted Jesus by offering him the world. To me, that is akin to worshiping materialism and the economics that go with it.

Translated into the modern day, the rule of law is the secular form of what we have been taught from the Bible. The supposedly pragmatic economic arguments fail to recognize the role of guiding principles. It looks like just another form of liberal relativism and situational ethics that just leads to any of a number of forms of social chaos.

So, my suspicion is that pragmatism without principles is like cheating, like raw opportunism without regard to who gets hurt, like functioning without standards that recognize various forms of excellence. In fact, pragmatism without principles destroys social progress, innovation...it creates a soulless, spiritless world where you just live for today...anyway, this needs to be thought about a lot more carefully than this...


64 posted on 04/17/2008 8:48:01 PM PDT by bioqubit
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To: Is2C

E-mail from a California teacher - Title 1 schools are on the free breakfast and free lunch program. When I say free breakfast, I’m not talking a glass of milk and roll — but a full breakfast and cereal bar with fruits and juices that would make a Marriott proud. The waste of this food is monumental, with trays and trays of it being dumped in the trash uneaten. (OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK)

I estimate that well over 50% of these students are obese or at least moderately overweight. About 75% or more DO have cell phones. The school also provides day care centers for the unwed teenage pregnant girls (some as young as 13) so they can attend class without the inconvenience of having to arrange for babysitters or having family watch their kids. (OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK)

I was ordered to spend $700,000 on my department or risk losing funding for the upcoming year even though there was little need for anything; my budget was already substantial. I ended up buying new computers for the computer learning center, half of which, one month later, have been carved with graffiti by the appreciative students who obviously feel humbled and grateful to have a free education in America ... (OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK)

I have had to intervene several times for young and substitute teachers whose classes consist of many illegal immigrant students here in the country less then 3 months who raised so much hell with the female teachers, calling them “Putas” whores and throwing things that the teachers were in tears.

Free medical, free education, free food, day care etc., etc, etc. Is it any wonder they feel entitled to not only be in this country but to demand rights, privileges and entitlements?

To those who want to point out how much these illegal immigrants contribute to our society because they LIKE their gardener and housekeeper and they like to pay less for tomatoes: spend some time in the real world of illegal immigration and see the TRUE costs.

Higher insurance, medical facilities closing, higher medical costs, more crime, lower standards of education in our schools, overcrowding, new diseases etc., etc, etc. For me, I’ll pay more for tomatoes.

We need to wake up. The guest worker program will be a disaster because we won’t have the guts to enforce it. Does anyone in their right mind really think they will voluntarily leave and return?

It does, however, have everything to do with culture: A third-world culture that does not value education, that accepts children getting pregnant and dropping out of school by 15 and that refuses to assimilate, and an American culture that has become so weak and worried about “politically correctness” that we don’t have the will to do anything about it.

CHEAP LABOR? Isn’t that what the whole immigration issue is about?

Business doesn’t want to pay a decent wage.

Consumers don’t want expensive produce.

Government will tell you Americans don’t want the jobs.

But the bottom line is cheap labor. The phrase “cheap labor” is a myth, a farce, and a lie. There is no such thing as “cheap labor.”

Take, for example, an illegal alien with a wife and five children. He takes a job for $5.00 or 6.00/hour. At that wage, with six dependents, he pays no income tax, yet at the end of the year, if he files an Income Tax Return, he gets an “earned income credit” of up to $3,200 free.

He qualifies for Section 8 housing and subsidized rent.

He qualifies for food stamps.

He qualifies for free (no deductible, no co-pay) health care.

His children get free breakfasts and lunches
at school. He requires bilingual teachers and books.

He qualifies for relief from h igh energy bills.

If they are or become, aged, blind or disabled, they qualify for SSI. Once qualified for SSI they can qualify for Medicare. All of this is at (our)taxpayer’s expense.

He doesn’t worry about car insurance, life insurance, or homeowners insurance.

Taxpayers provide Spanish language signs, bulletins and printed material.

He and his family receive the equivalent of $20.00 to $30.00/hour in benefits.

Working Americans
are lucky to have $5.00 or $6.00/hour left after paying their bills and his.

The American taxpayers also pay for increased crime, graffiti and trash clean-up.

Cheap labor? YEAH RIGHT! Wake up people!

THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS WE SHOULD BE ADDRESSING TO THE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES FOR EITHER PARTY. ‘AND WHEN THEY LIE TO US AND DON’T DO AS THEY SAY, WE SHOULD REPLACE THEM AT ONCE!’


65 posted on 04/18/2008 12:05:37 PM PDT by TheresaKett
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