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Constitution Party stunner: Chuck Baldwin KOs firebrand Alan Keyes
KCStar Prime Buzz ^ | 4-26-08

Posted on 04/26/2008 5:34:17 PM PDT by deport

Constitution Party stunner: Chuck Baldwin KOs firebrand Alan Keyes

Convening its national convention in Kansas City today, the Constitution Party picked radio talk-show host Chuck Baldwin over former Ambassador Alan Keyes as its 2008 presidential candidate.

The pick was seen as something of an upset, given Keyes' higher national profile. Known for his fiery stem-winders, Keyes is a two-time GOP presidential candidate who abandoned the Republican Party this month to join the Constitution Party, which believes in limited government and is committed to ending abortion and bringing American troops home from Iraq.

But Baldwin's roots in the Constitution Party run deeper. He was the party's 2004 vice-presidential candidate, and party members said his stands were more in line with party thinking.

"Chuck is the real deal," said Jim Clymer, the party's national chairman.

Still, the two waged a fierce battle described as the most contentious in the party's 16-year history. Baldwin wound up winning easily on a 384-126 vote. The Missouri and Kansas delegations basically split their votes between the two.

"They just rejected the most qualified man to be president," said Tom Hoefling of Lohrville, Iowa, Keyes' national political director. "Chuck Baldwin will have no impact on this election whatsoever."

The party's immediate tasks, Clymer said, are raising money and gaining ballot access in each state. The party now has qualified to be on the ballots of 21 states. He expects the eventual total to top 40 and include Kansas and Missouri.

"We're always short on money," Clymer said.

In his acceptance speech, Baldwin said his presidency would result in the ending of illegal immigration, abortion, the streamlining of the federal government, the tapping of oil reserves in Alaska and withdrawal from Iraq.

"We will stop the international meddling...this international empire-building," Baldwin said.

When he takes office, Baldwin said, "The new world order comes crashing down!"

He pledged not only to pull out of the United Nations, but to push the international organization out of New York.

"The U.N. is going to have to find themselves another (home) because their rent is up in New York City," he said.

He said he would phase out the Internal Revenue Service and end the paying of personal income taxes. He said the country should return to the gold standard.

Home schoolers, he said, would have the best friend they ever had in the White House.



TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; chuckbaldwin; constitutionparty; keyes; talkradio; thirdparty
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To: EternalVigilance
Or, it may...

Really? Which one do you and Alan have in mind?

101 posted on 04/27/2008 9:39:43 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
I realize that my position is increasingly a minority position at this forum, and that’s fine. People can and should vote as they please. However, my vote will matter and yours won’t. That’s a fact.

You live in Texas. There is no possibility whatsoever that the GOP will lose Texas. So how is your vote any more significant than that of a Texan who votes third-party? The Republicans are getting the electoral votes either way. Why be a McCain whore if you don't have to?

102 posted on 04/27/2008 10:53:41 AM PDT by jmc813 (Eek!)
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To: EternalVigilance
Alan didn’t get this nomination because he is a Reagan conservative on foreign policy, not a Lew Rockwell nut, and because he refuses to pander to anyone on, or lie to anyone about, issues that go to the security and survival of our country.

And the hilarious part is these people who constantly freak about Keyes go into convusions when it comes to Ron Paul too. These folks love boring, status quo politicians like St. George.

103 posted on 04/27/2008 10:55:20 AM PDT by jmc813 (Eek!)
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To: jmc813

I didn’t vote for him in the primary, even though everyone else except the idiot Ron Paul had dropped out.

But I will not take the slightest chance of letting Texas cast its electoral votes for either Hillary or Obama.


104 posted on 04/27/2008 11:13:29 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
To judge the impact of the Constitution Party, who even knew they were holding a convention prior to your post?

How many people in Kansas City knew they were holding a convention?

105 posted on 04/27/2008 11:30:45 AM PDT by uglybiker (I do not suffer from mental illness. I quite enjoy it, actually.)
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To: deport

Alan Keys (and the Illinois Republican Party’s death wish) got us Senator Obama.


106 posted on 04/27/2008 11:59:48 AM PDT by Lee N. Field ("Think of it as...an eschatological intrusion." BLAMBLAMBLAMBLAM!! BOOOM!!)
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To: ovrtaxt

Isolationism and the abolition of drug laws. Most Americans are not in tune with that.


107 posted on 04/27/2008 12:04:15 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: pissant

Well, just for starters, the name is ridiculous.


108 posted on 04/27/2008 2:43:17 PM PDT by Antonio C (God bless John McCain, George W. Bush, and our troops)
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To: EternalVigilance

This was the opportunity the Constitution Party had to finally take a major step forward and become relevant in an election, but failed. They will now have to bear the consequences of their actions, much like the Republican Party has to do now.

I watched much of the live streaming and indeed Keyes is as open and honest as any person I have ever seen. Keyes understands the most important venue is the “venue of individual hearts.” He will not tell somebody what they want to hear, but rather what they NEED to hear. No pandering. Most people would call that a deficiency, but not people such as ourselves who value honesty, integrity, and nothing but the truth.

Listening to Dr. Keyes’ post-nomination speech to his supporters, and it was remarkable how well he took the disappointing result when he had every right to be upset and furious, with all the backstabbing and pettiness. He sums up a great Christian attitude and truth when he says, “If you have lost the entire world and all you have left is God… you have in truth the greatest treasure in the world.”

Despite all the petty hate and venom that fools hurl toward Dr. Keyes, Keyes always stands tall because he stands on integrity, while the fools stand on foolishness.

The choice was offered; the choice was rejected. The results are what the voters who rejected the choice will have to live with; the consequences of their actions will be revealed and there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. And they will have nobody to blame but themselves.


109 posted on 04/27/2008 3:38:26 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture (How many of your civil rights & liberties are you willing to sacrifice per election just to vote (R))
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To: CounterCounterCulture

it was but illusion


110 posted on 04/27/2008 3:39:50 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Never say never (there'll be a VP you'll like))
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To: Toddsterpatriot

I’ve got to appreciate your sense of humor. Seems eerily familiar.....


111 posted on 04/27/2008 5:14:25 PM PDT by bpjam (Drill For Oil or Lose Your Job!! Vote Nov 3, 2008)
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To: labette

Well, he or his campaigns have a tendency to leave a lot of unpaid bills after his election campaigns.....word gets around about that type of thing. But, I love to listen to him give a speech!! Same with Buchannan but I can’t vote for either.


112 posted on 04/27/2008 6:50:29 PM PDT by MrLee (Sha'alu Shalom Yerushalyim!! God bless Eretz Israel.)
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To: Dog Gone

Stay tuned. It will become apparent soon enough.


113 posted on 04/27/2008 7:15:38 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("Party" is not the plumbline. "Principle" is...)
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To: CounterCounterCulture

Thank God for people like yourself with a clear eye, an open ear, and an honest heart. Precious few of them these days it would seem.


114 posted on 04/27/2008 7:18:53 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("Party" is not the plumbline. "Principle" is...)
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To: EternalVigilance

Aren’t you supposed to be Out Wandering Around somewhere?


115 posted on 04/27/2008 7:24:00 PM PDT by MARTIAL MONK (I'm waiting for the POP!)
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To: EternalVigilance
Stay tuned. It will become apparent soon enough.

Well, don't wait until October to tell us which party Alan will ride to the White House.

It sounds like you have a supersecret plan, so I'll stay tuned.

116 posted on 04/27/2008 7:40:07 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: MARTIAL MONK

I don’t know what that means.


117 posted on 04/27/2008 8:17:57 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("Party" is not the plumbline. "Principle" is...)
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To: deport
To blazes with the Constitution Party. It had opted to remain the personal property of the John Birch Society and the people who think we fought on the wrong side in WWII.

Looks like I won't be casting a presidential vote this fall.

118 posted on 04/27/2008 8:24:30 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator ( . . . Qedoshim tiheyu; ki qadosh 'Ani HaShem 'Eloqeykhem.)
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To: MrLee
And, Baldwin’s position on Israel is?

Standard palaeo hostility (the USA being the "new Israel" in the Rushdoonian "reconstructionist" worldview). Baldwin used to be with Jerry Falwell's Moral Majority but the Birchites got to him and he turned against Israel.

Keyes was rejected because he is pro-Israel, and the CP honchos regard the "Zionists" as the "secret power" behind the "new world order."

119 posted on 04/27/2008 8:26:59 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator ( . . . Qedoshim tiheyu; ki qadosh 'Ani HaShem 'Eloqeykhem.)
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To: The Shrew; Skeet

A “We didn’t want it anyway” ping...


120 posted on 04/27/2008 8:36:43 PM PDT by Interesting Times (Swiftboating, you say? Check out ToSetTheRecordStraight.com)
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