Clinton won't quit; Obama doesn't care

Politico ^ | 5/7/08 | CARRIE BUDOFF BROWN & BEN SMITH

[The_Macallan]

We all hear how "close" the Democratic Primaries are and how much Obama is so dominant in the hearts and minds of the average everyday Democratic voter.

Well if we looked at the Obama v. Clinton match-up in terms of the electoral college - we'd see a very different outlook.

Presidential elections are won or lost based on Electoral College votes, not based on "delegates", "superdelegates", party caucuses or total popular vote.

States that hold Primary Elections allow the VOTERS to choose their candidate, as opposed to states that hold caucuses in which voters don't go to the polls but rather Party-insiders do the voting.

And so to get a clearer picture of the Democratic outlook - I looked through the lens of Primary Election results only and then counted those results in terms of Electoral Votes for each of those states to see whether Obama or Clinton would have an easier time gaining the 270 necessary Electoral Votes to become President.

And so by tallying up the States won in the Primary Elections (where voters decide the result, not party-insiders) by Obama and Clinton based on their Electoral College votes - here are the results:

STATE - Electoral Votes (Primary Election Winner)
Alabama - 9 (Obama )
Connecticut - 7 (Obama )
Delaware - 3 (Obama )
District Of Columbia - 3 (Obama )
Georgia - 15 (Obama )
Illinois - 21 (Obama )
Louisiana - 9 (Obama )
Maryland - 10 (Obama )
Mississippi - 6 (Obama )
Missouri - 11 (Obama )
North Carolina - 15 (Obama )
South Carolina - 8 (Obama )
Utah - 5 (Obama )
Vermont - 3 (Obama )
Virginia - 13 (Obama )
Wisconsin - 10 (Obama )
148 Primary Electoral Votes For Obama.

Arizona - 10 (Clinton )
Arkansas - 6 (Clinton )
California - 55 (Clinton )
Florida - 27 (Clinton )
Indiana - 11 (Clinton )
Massachusetts - 12 (Clinton )
Michigan - 17 (Clinton )
New Hampshire - 4 (Clinton )
New Jersey - 15 (Clinton )
New Mexico - 5 (Clinton )
New York - 31 (Clinton )
Ohio - 20 (Clinton )
Oklahoma - 7 (Clinton )
Pennsylvania - 21 (Clinton )
Rhode Island - 4 (Clinton )
Tennessee - 11 (Clinton )
Texas - 34 (Clinton )
290 Primary Electoral votes For Clinton.

Woah! Looks like Clinton has a HUGE lead when it comes to where it counts state-by-state - 1) Actual voters and 2) Electoral Count.

Oh - well - what about the Caucus states. Shirley all the states won by Obama would make a big difference wouldn't it?

Okay - let's add in the Caucus states and add up those Electoral College Votes too. However - an odd thing happened in Texas, they had a Primary AND a Caucus - and the results were split between Obama and Clinton, Clinton won the Primary and Obama won the Caucus. So to be fair, I'll give EACH of them the full amount of Texas Electoral Votes:

STATE - Electoral Votes (Caucus Election Winner)
Alaska - 3 (Obama )
Colorado - 9 (Obama )
Hawaii - 4 (Obama )
Idaho - 4 (Obama )
Iowa - 7 (Obama )
Kansas - 6 (Obama )
Maine - 4 (Obama )
Minnesota - 10 (Obama )
Nebraska - 5 (Obama )
North Dakota - 3 (Obama )
Texas - 34 (Obama )
Washington - 11 (Obama )
Wyoming - 3 (Obama )
103 Caucus Electoral Votes For Obama.

Nevada - 5 (Clinton)
5 Caucus Electoral Votes For Clinton.

And so what's the grand total - in terms of Electoral Votes for each?

Clinton: 295 Total Electoral Votes
Obama: 251 Total Electoral Votes
* remember, Texas is counted once for each candidate.

Personally - I actually happen to think the State Primary Election results are FAR more telling than the party-insider polls done for State Caucus elections.

ETA: And if you look just at "swing" states who had Primary Elections, those states that are going to be the main battlegrounds and ususally determine the outcome of the elections:

Ohio - 20 (Clinton )
Pennsylvania - 21 (Clinton )
Florida - 27 (Clinton )
New Hampshire - 4 (Clinton )
Wisconsin - 10 (Obama )


Bottomline: Don't quit Hill! You can still win this!! LOL!

[Global2010]

Obamiacs were out in force to get folks to sign over/up for the Dem Primary here in Oregon.

Well we did so we can vote for Hillary.

Who would have ever thunk?

Nine months ago I felt it was unethical to cross over.

Today not whim of what so ever.

Hillary is suppose to come through here Thurs and Fri.

King Vanity is ready to go see her as part of his political historical mode...saw Bill two weeks ago and (dont barf yall) Bill held his hand and kinda teared up as they gazed into each others eyes (son speaks in augmented signs not verbal) it was sincere, regardless of politics.

Hillary he met 5yrs ago definetly hoof handed and fake.

Obama The Invisible Man (old black and white movie) or empty suit, young people who are ga ga for Obama IMO are buying a slogan.

Mc Cain we are not going to pay $2000 to see speak...freebie rallies only.

Chelsea would of cost $200.

I feel bad for the Chelse loves her Mom but does not like her as rumored.

I have Thursdays for respite no way am I going to give up rare time to myself to go see Hillary, sorry son.

[Rummyfan]

Clinton’s New York colleague Sen. Charles Schumer declined to offer a vote of confidence when asked if Clinton should stay in the race.

“It's her decision to make and I'll accept what decision she makes,” he said.

Chuckie has always been a guy you can count on when the going gets tough.... /sarcasm

[Pinkbell]

I agree with you. That’s why it’s crucial for Hillary to continue to spread chaos in the Demonrat Party.

[Caipirabob]

[Caipirabob]

While he is certainly more beatable than Hillary, he will be a very formidable opponent in November.

So very true. The dynamics are going to completely change once the dims unite behind a single candidate along with their coordinated media assault. As much as we like to pat ourselves on the back, the media has been the primary driver of democrat victories with their open propaganda and blatant bias towards socialists.

And our candidate can't even consolidate his own base.

NOT GOOD...

[ops33]

And I thought I was the only person in America that hit the mute when she came on. Already gone through 3 remotes!

[freebird5850]

And as I said before, no one who would hold such an important position should ever resort to tears to gain sympathy as she did early on. Weakness has no place for POTUS.

[IndyTiger]

Obama is going to swamp him in donations, support, and positive media attention.

While McCain is no prize, an Obama presidency is a scary thought. Frankly, I could abide a Hillary presidency more than an Obama one. Hillary is a pragmatist at heart, while Obama is a pure socialist through and through.

I agree with you that once the Dems settle on a candidate, all their big guns will turn on McCain with a vengance. It will be Keating Five, etc. all autumn long. Obama will indeed be a formidable candidate and could well win. With an unpopular war, stagnant economy in many parts of the country, and likely $4 per gallon gas, people will want change, and McCain will be seen by many as Bush III.

[LadyNavyVet]

“She’s just a woman, a stupid **** who ran a lousy race and let a flashy nobody beat her.”

This was her year. If she couldn’t pull it off this year, she’ll get nowhere in 2012. Her only hope is to convince the Superdelegates to force Obama to make her his running mate. That’s what she’s running for now, and that’s why she didn’t criticise Obama on the stump yesterday. IOW, the Clintons have seen the handwriting on the wall and are attempting to get back to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. via One Observatory Circle.