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A Whole Wide World Beyond Obama (Bush appeasement Comment Dems React)
NRO ^ | May 15, 2008 | Kathryn Jean Lopez

Posted on 05/15/2008 12:22:39 PM PDT by Red Steel

Pump up the Carly Simon.

President George W. Bush spoke to the Israeli Knesset on Thursday morning, to mark the nation’s 60th anniversary. The president said:

Some seem to believe we should negotiate with terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along . . . We have heard this foolish delusion before. As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in 1939, an American senator declared: 'Lord, if only I could have talked to Hitler, all of this might have been avoided.' We have an obligation to call this what it is — the false comfort of appeasement, which has been repeatedly discredited by history.

Immediately, the Democratic party responded in outrage, insisting it was an unprecedented political attack on their presumptive nominee from foreign soil. Barack Obama himself said: “It is sad that President Bush would use a speech to the Knesset on the 60th anniversary of Israel’s independence to launch a false political attack.”

Senator Joseph Biden called the president's remarks “bulls**t.”

The White House denied the remark was about Obama. White House spokeswoman Dana Perino responded, “I would think that all of you who cover these issues and for a long time have known that there are many who have suggested these types of negotiations with people that the president, President Bush, thinks that we should not talk to. I understand when you’re running for office you sometimes think the world revolves around you. That is not always true. And it is not true in this case.”

The White House’s denial is believable, and the Democrats’ accusation is a distortion and a distraction. The commander-in-chief, believe it or not, might have been concerned with something besides The Situation Room running a clip of him hitting Obama. The presidency, you see, is about more than the spin-cycle, the next election, and even the next president.

The president could have been speaking of any number of Democrats. Say, Jimmy Carter, who in April, 2008 said: “Through more official consultations with these outlawed leaders [Hamas and Syria], it may yet be possible to revive and expedite the stalemated peace talks between Israel and its neighbors. In the Middle East, as in Nepal, the path to peace lies in negotiation, not in isolation.”

Or Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, freelance diplomat, who in December 2007 said: “the road to Damascus is a road to peace.”

Or, perhaps he meant Speaker Pelosi in April 2007: “I believe in dialogue. As my colleagues have said over and over again, unless you communicate, you cannot understand each other. You cannot reach agreement.”

Or maybe he meant recent Obama endorser and former North Carolina senator John Edwards, who, according to his own press release in February of last year, believes “the U.S. should step up our diplomatic efforts by engaging in direct talks with all the nations in the region, including Iran and Syria.”

Or Bill Richardson, who has said, about meeting with Iran and Syria: “They’re bad folks … But you don’t have peace talks with your friends.”

It could have been about Congressman Henry Waxman, who in April said: “A Democratic administration would go back and try to open that possibility up for discussions [with Iran] of a grand bargain of one sort or another ... Democrats would certainly have seen that as a missed opportunity.”

Or Ohio Rep. Dennis Kucinich: “I can go to Syria. I can go to Iran and work to craft a path towards peace. And I will … How can you change peopled minds if you don’t meet with them?”

Or former Democratic presidential candidates and senators Chris Dodd and John Kerry, who met with Syria’s al-Assad and said: “As senior Democrats on the Foreign Relations Committee, we felt it was important to make clear that while we believe in resuming dialogue, our message is no different: Syria can and should play a more constructive role in the region … We concluded that our conversation was worthwhile, and that … resuming direct dialogue with Syria should be pursued.”

Or the former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, from April 10: “[Diplomats] can deliver some pretty tough messages … You don’t begin with a president of the country, but you do need to talk to your enemy.”

You get the idea. The world does not actually revolve around Barackstar. It doesn’t even revolve around contemporary Democrats. There are two very different ways of looking at the world, represented by the two parties here in the U.S. President Bush, obviously, believes the other party’s approach is wrong. To say so, in his mind, was of historic importance, for obvious reasons. Obvious, at least, to any statesman who can see before and beyond this current election season. Thank you, Senator Obama, for helping make clear where you stand on that front.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Israel; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 60thanniversary; appeasement; bds; biden; bush; israel; jimmycarter; knesset; kucinich; obama; presbushknesset08; presidentbush

1 posted on 05/15/2008 12:22:40 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

Excellent. Good Post


2 posted on 05/15/2008 12:26:48 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...call 'em what you will...They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: Red Steel

3 posted on 05/15/2008 12:27:17 PM PDT by shineon
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To: Red Steel

Good article by K-Lo. These people are so outraged when you repeat what they say.


4 posted on 05/15/2008 12:27:29 PM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: Red Steel
As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in 1939, an American senator declared: 'Lord, if only I could have talked to Hitler, all of this might have been avoided.'

Goering was saying pretty much the same thing, only in German.

5 posted on 05/15/2008 12:29:51 PM PDT by agere_contra
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To: Red Steel

Gads, just when one thinks that the dhimmicrats can sink no lower. And, of course, the normal gang of college marshmallow majors chimed in. Pelosi - as usual - was la plus dumbe. (Not true French, I know, but I’m too lazy to ask my mother how to write it correctly.) That lady is a true example of what happens when something goes wrong at birth.


6 posted on 05/15/2008 12:30:34 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: Red Steel
Senator Joseph Biden called the president's remarks “bulls**t.”
Biden unplugged?

Oh, I forgot. Biden's ALWAYS plugged.

7 posted on 05/15/2008 12:32:31 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: Red Steel

Witch Pelosi, Bumblebutt Biden, and the rest of the Dem vermin can kindly STHU and take a very long walk off a very short pier.


8 posted on 05/15/2008 12:34:39 PM PDT by Convert from ECUSA (Hillary, Obama, McCain. Curley, Larry, Moe. Decisions, decisions,)
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To: Red Steel

US Defense Secretary urges more private US contacts with Iran
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2016159/posts


9 posted on 05/15/2008 12:35:16 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote)
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To: Red Steel

Ping Ping PING!!!

This is a great article. There are very few articles that go straight to the point and are clearer than Caribbean waters. I loved how obvious the liberal terrorists, disguising themselves as Americans, reacted.

We cannot, will not, and must not allow a liberal terrorist take the reigns of our country in a time of war.


10 posted on 05/15/2008 12:36:09 PM PDT by GauchoUSA
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To: Retired Greyhound

Yeah, they call it an attack if you use their own words.

Wile E Coyote Democrats


11 posted on 05/15/2008 12:40:24 PM PDT by griswold3 (Al queda is guilty of hirabah (war against society) Penalty is death.)
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To: familyop

......(Gates)he said in a talk at the American Academy of Diplomacy, referring to general US relations with Tehran.

“If there is going to be a discussion then they need something, too,” he said. “We can’t go to a discussion and be completely the ‘demandeur’ with them not feeling they do not need anything from us.”

But he said the United States should look for ways outside of government “to open up the channels and get more of a flow of people back and forth.”

“There are actually a fair number of Iranians that come to the United States to visit,” he said.

“We ought to increase the flow going the other way, not of Iranians but of Americans, and that may be one way of creating some space perhaps over some period of time.”

US tensions with Iran have risen sharply in recent weeks amid accusations by Washington that Tehran is funding, training and arming Shiite groups to attack US and coalition forces in Iraq.

Iran rebuffed a US overture to hold a fourth round of talks with Iranians on the situation in Iraq.


12 posted on 05/15/2008 12:41:31 PM PDT by roses of sharon ( (Who will be McCain's maverick?))
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To: Red Steel

Biden reaffirms that the most dangerous place on the planet is between him and a microphone.


13 posted on 05/15/2008 12:45:00 PM PDT by Eurale
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To: Red Steel

You can tell W hit waaaaay to close to the target given the dems reaction. Actually, he hit the bullseye, dead-center.


14 posted on 05/15/2008 12:45:27 PM PDT by Sicon
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To: Red Steel

Face facts, people. Face to face diplomacy is the true path to peace. Look at the result of diplomacy between our State department and the Japanese Empire. Oops.
Then there is “PEACE IN OUR TIME”, present of the British Prime Minister to the world. Oops.
Also the peacefully negotiated partition of Korea. Ooops
Then there’s the “peace conference” in post French Vietnam.
Oops, again.
Then don’t forget....do you get the point now?
Tyranny ONLY respect equal or greater strength.


15 posted on 05/15/2008 12:51:09 PM PDT by CaptainAmiigaf (NY Times: We print the news as it fits our views)
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To: shineon
Photobucket
that's more like it!
16 posted on 05/15/2008 1:06:28 PM PDT by pipecorp ( Al Lahsucks (boat steersman ) hell)
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To: Red Steel

So where are our Republican congressmen leaping to the Presidents defense?


17 posted on 05/15/2008 1:30:21 PM PDT by Dreagon
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To: Dreagon
So where are our Republican congressmen leaping to the Presidents defense?

Trying to stay on the good side of the Dems.

18 posted on 05/15/2008 1:37:37 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Red Steel

The Truth hurts!


19 posted on 05/15/2008 1:41:24 PM PDT by Deo volente
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To: Red Steel
Too little, too late from our President.

He should have been saying this about these weasles for the past seven years! But no....he wanted to get along with them. It's like a man taking a water pistol to a gun fight...except he forget the water pistol. He's just been standing around looking everywhere wondering where all the shots at him are coming from.

Well, we'll now see if the GOP has the b*lls to man up and support this statement of truth. The dems, all of them, are a bunch of pandering wimps just itching to get us all killed with their "if we just talk about it, they'll leave us alone" attitude.

Where's my GOP? I think they went missing in 1994 and haven't been heard from since.

No quarter for wimps and liberal accolites. Call them out at every opportunity, and do it now!

20 posted on 05/15/2008 1:46:16 PM PDT by MarketR
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To: MarketR

Excellent whining


21 posted on 05/15/2008 1:48:34 PM PDT by woofie
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To: DuncanWaring

So where are our Republican congressmen leaping to the Presidents defense?


Trying to stay on the good side of the Dems.

Exactly. And they wonder why we won’t vote for them anymore. Bunch of lying, nutless wonders.


22 posted on 05/15/2008 1:48:35 PM PDT by Dreagon
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To: Red Steel; NormsRevenge; elhombrelibre; Allegra; SandRat; tobyhill; G8 Diplomat; Dog; Cap Huff; ...

A very nice summary of all of the Leftie appeasers and their statements....


23 posted on 05/15/2008 2:03:44 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Dreagon

Just like a Dimocrat to think it’a all about them.


24 posted on 05/15/2008 2:05:33 PM PDT by King Hawk
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To: pipecorp

Peace - Hope - Change - in Our Time



25 posted on 05/15/2008 2:06:07 PM PDT by shineon
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To: shineon

And I have the paperwork to prove it.

They gave me an ‘A’.


26 posted on 05/15/2008 2:08:24 PM PDT by shineon
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To: woofie
Excellent whining

It's only whining if you don't have a plan of action.

I just called my congress-critter and demanded a defense of this statement if they want my help (signs, money, volunteer-work, etc.) this November. No defense, no help!

I suggest you all do the same.

They're already scared. Here's finally some leverage we can use and see immediate action on. If we don't see action, we will know what we always thought they they thought of us. And we can ponder November accordingly.

27 posted on 05/15/2008 2:12:45 PM PDT by MarketR
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To: Red Steel

Go W!

I got a kick out of this quote by Dana Perino :)

“I understand when you’re running for office you sometimes think the world revolves around you. That is not always true. And it is not true in this case.”

I see these comments as being aimed at Democrats as a whole, not only Obama, but if the shoe fits ...


28 posted on 05/15/2008 2:12:56 PM PDT by chickpundit
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Royal smack-down in their face, the primetime drama never ends./Just Asking - seoul62.......


29 posted on 05/15/2008 2:15:24 PM PDT by seoul62
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To: Red Steel

bump


30 posted on 05/15/2008 2:15:49 PM PDT by God luvs America (When the silent majority speaks the earth trembles!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Lefty lefty on the wall, just who is the biggest communist of all...


31 posted on 05/15/2008 2:36:21 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Duncan Hunter was our best choice...)
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To: Eurale
Biden reaffirms that the most dangerous place on the planet is between him and a microphone.

Yeah, he'll flash all 64 of his teeth AND his hair plugs at you if you get in his way.

32 posted on 05/15/2008 4:27:43 PM PDT by Ole Okie (Who are you going to believe anyway, Gore or your lyin' eyes?)
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To: Red Steel
Takes one to know one. Mr. Bush (in his second administration) is one of the BIGGEST appeasers, along with that Condi Rice of his, over the whole North Korean Nuclear issue and Axis of Evil. Under his watch nukes have been allowed to not only be developed, and proliferated, but tech transfered to the Middle East and mid range, long range missiles to be launched with inpunity towards Japan...all while the State Department has successfully plead the same philosophy of Neville Chamberlain.

Obama will be a disaster, but Bush's lameness on these issues cannot also be swept under the rug. So I echo Senator Biden, that this is "bull***", of course which Senator Biden is also full of himself, by the way. Bush/Biden/Obama/Rice....not big differences here with career State Department-types clearly running the show.

33 posted on 05/15/2008 5:40:46 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Your Free To Vote 4 McCain. I Won't. I Don't Want To Hear Your Gripes Thru His 4 Years of RINO-ism!)
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To: Red Steel

Well, good for GWB.

Imagine, I just ask you to imagine what would happen if we had a really stand up leader that took the lefties to task everyday?


34 posted on 05/15/2008 5:43:21 PM PDT by alarm rider (Peace! through superior fire power....)
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To: samtheman

Here is m response to Joe:

Salutations on your command of the English language. If the best you can do is say “Bulls**t about President Bush’s comments on 5/15/08, then your parents sacrifice to have you educated is a failure. I did not hear any outrage when Carter disgraced himself conducting foreign policy in the same manner as he did when he was President. Our predicaments today are directly Carter’s fault.

But, of course, only President Bush deserves such language and hatred. You sir, have disgraced Delaware, your office and your family name. If you had any honor left, you would apologize to all you have offended, including me. You have my contact information.


35 posted on 05/16/2008 4:39:04 AM PDT by NTHockey
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To: Red Steel

I don’t understand the Carly Simon reference. My first thought was “These are the good old days.”


36 posted on 05/16/2008 8:35:03 AM PDT by Excellence (Daughter of the American Revolution, niece of the Civil War (North).)
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"Some seem to believe we should negotiate with terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along...We have heard this foolish delusion before. As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in 1939, an American senator declared: 'Lord, if only I could have talked to Hitler, all of this might have been avoided.' We have an obligation to call this what it is –- the false comfort of appeasement, which has been repeatedly discredited by history."
~ President Bush
speaking before the Israeli Knesset on the 60th Anniversary of Israel's statehood.



"It is sad that President Bush would use a speech to the Knesset on the 6Oth anniversary of Israel's independence to launch a false political attack... Instead of tough talk and no action, we need to do what Kennedy, Nixon and Reagan did and use all elements of American power -- including tough, principled, and direct diplomacy - to pressure countries like Iran and Syria. George Bush knows that I have never supported engagement with terrorists..."
~ Sen. Barack Obama
D-IL thinking the President was talking about HIM.

"George Bush should be making Israel secure, not slandering Barack Obama from the Knesset."
~ Sen. John Kerry
D-MA, thinking the President was talking about Obama.

"There is no escaping what the president is doing. It is an attack on Sen. Obama’s position that we should not be avoiding even those we disagree with when it comes to negotiations and diplomacy."
~ Sen. Dick Durbin
D-IL, Senate Majority Whip, thinking the President was talking about Obama.

"President Bush’s comparison of any Democrat to Nazi appeasers is both offensive and outrageous on the face of it, especially in light of his failures in foreign policy."
~ The Beast
thinking the President was talking about Obama.

“This is bullshit, this is malarkey. This is outrageous, for the president of the United States to go to a foreign country, to sit in the Knesset... and make this kind of ridiculous statement.”
~ Sen. Joe Biden
D-DE, as eloquent as ever.

"The tradition has always been that when a U.S. president is overseas, partisan politics stops at the water's edge. President Bush has now taken that principle and turned it on its head: for this White House, partisan politics now begins at the water’s edge, no matter the seriousness and gravity of the occasion. Does the president have no shame?”
~ Rep. Rahm Emanuel
House Democratic Caucus Chairman, thinking the President was talking about THEM.

"..."beneath the dignity of the office of the president and unworthy of our representation..."
~ Rep. Nancy Pelosi
D-CA, Speaker of the House, thinking the President was talking about THEM.

"Not surprisingly, the engineer of the worst foreign policy in our nation’s history has fired yet another reckless and reprehensible round. For the President to make this statement before the government of our closest ally as it celebrates a remarkable milestone demeans this historic moment with partisan politics."
~ Sen. Harry Reid
D-NV, Senate Majority Leader thinking the President was talking about THEM.


Hmmmm.... let's take a walk down memory lane regarding comments made by leading Democrats about President Bush near the end of the first year of the war in Iraq....

Sen. Ted Kennedy:
"There was no imminent threat. This was made up in Texas"

"My belief is this money is being shuffled all around to these political leaders in all parts of the world, bribing them to send in troops."

"He has broken the basic bond of trust with the American people."

"In this administration, truth is the first casualty of policy."

"This whole thing was a fraud"

"Shamefully we now learn that Saddam's torture chambers reopened under new management, U.S. management."

Sen. Robert Byrd:
"...many Iraqis, both Sunni and Shiite, are seething under the yoke of the American occupation."

"I have wondered anew at the President's stubborn refusal to admit mistakes or express any misgivings over America's unwarranted intervention in Iraq."

Sen. John Kerry:
"...he built a fraudulent coalition"

"Did I expect George Bush to fuck it up as badly as he did? I don't think anybody did."

"They shut a newspaper that belongs to a legitimate voice in Iraq... It belongs to a voice... which is sort of a terrorist alignment."

"fraudulent"

"stunning lack of vision"

"fake-patriotism"

"almost stupidity of it"

"worse than incompetent"

"crooked, lying"

"we need a regime change in the United States"

"arrogant, inept, reckless"

"screwed-up"

"unpatriotic"



Oh but THAT'S all fair game because they all said those "kind, civil, respectful words" about the President in the spring and summer of 2004 during an election year.

Oh-kay!

[rolleyes]


As the article points out - President Bush COULD have been talking about members of the Kennesset who are wishy-washy on defending Israel.

He COULD have been talking about nearby nations like Egypt, Dubai or Jordan who try to appease Iran with economic and diplomatic measures.

He COULD have been talking about the UN Security Council and their milquetoast approach to Iran's nuclear ambitions.

He COULD have been talking about factions in Iraq who are still trying to appease Iran with regards to interfering in Iraqi reconstruction.

He COULD have been talking about American groups like Code Pink, A.N.S.W.E.R. and others who don't take the daily direct threats against Israel and us by Achmadinijad seriously.

He COULD have been talking about Jimmy Carter who just recently met with and PRAISED terrorists who wage war to to wipe Israel off the map.

He COULD have been talking Dennis Kucinich, Ron Paul, Louis Farrakahn or even members of his own State Department who may still naively believe a negotiated diplomatic solution is the only way to stop terrorists.

He COULD have been talking about ALL of them and more....


But somehow... SOMEHOW... all those Democrats were so egocentric and paranoid that they could ONLY imagine that Bush was talking ONLY about THEM exclusively.

Oh the smug, conceited, arrogance and narcissistic vanity of those twit-minded Democratic JACKASSES.

37 posted on 05/16/2008 12:05:09 PM PDT by The_Macallan
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To: Red Steel
Behold the Super Elite would be Sneerer in Chief!


38 posted on 05/17/2008 6:29:56 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Hussein Obama"Hama's" Pastor, Jeremiah Wright: "God Damn America, U.S. to Blame for 9/11")
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